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[Globalist]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis
Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

(The agency traced most heroin and cocaine to privately owned vehicles passing through legal ports of entry. Fentanyl from Mexico is most often transported this way, too. Sometimes, drugs are mixed in with legal goods on tractor-trailers.)

According to drug threat assessments from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the majority of the drugs that cross the southwest border are brought in through official ports of entry. This has been the case for years.

When I read stuff like this, I often wonder just what technique you would use to make an assessment of how drugs came into the country after the fact.

I wonder if it was a crystal ball or a ouija board.

Mark

I'm going off of what drug threat assessments say and what the DEA reports show. If you have data of your own to provide, go for it. If not, you're blowing hot air.

 

[80zephyr]

LOL!

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's. Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42965.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Total Apps, Mexico, OTM FY2000-FY2017.pdf
So when looking at illegal entry from individuals from Mexico since 2000, it is clear that it has drastically declined.

Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

Your claim was that:

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work.

In reality, economic growth in countries of origin is the primary driver between declines in illegal immigration. Mexico is simply the best example of this happening, which is why I bring it up.

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Where have I ignored the loss of human life? It's tragic that people are fleeing their home countries searching for a better life are dying on the journey. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think a wall does anything to stop people seeking asylum? Might want to look into how asylum seeking works.

According to international law, anyone seeking asylum has to do it in the first country they enter after they flee their home country.

Mark

Under US and international law people have the right to seek Asylum in another country, it doesn't have to be done in their home country. This is quite literally true, as we're processing asylum seekers right now.

Not in their home country. They seek asylum in the first county they get to when fleeing. And yes, that is international law.
And while we are processing asylum seekers, we don't have to be.

Mark

 

[bripat9643]

Is this day 20?

We're literally being held hostage by a rouge petulant potus

all for political posturing

may it bite him so hard in the azz, he never recovers, may his supporters suffer the consequenses

'effing tyrant .....

~S~

if so, then what you're doing now is political posturing as well. also, unfortunately when our collective gov acts the fool (like both sides are doing these days) we *all* suffer the consequences.

we really need to stop this "us vs them" blanket simpleton thought process.

Our illustrious potus admits he owns this shutdown

it's not GOP against DEM, it's Trump against us all

No one entity in governance should wield such power

The fact that there exists no standard for this executive privelge ,means Trump (or any potus)can shut us all down w/o validation is no small issue, it's a huge issue

Would you like martial law enforced w/o provocation?

Seriously, even if the wall were a good cause, this is not the way to get the job done

whatever happened to a representative democracy?

~S~

funny the left asks for representative democracy as they're trying to do away with the EC.

and you wonder why no one can take the one-way whines seriously anymore. the emotional bank accounts are empty from the years of leftist-emo drain on the entire system.

i never said trump didn't own it. i said both sides are posturing.

it's left vs right anymore so this "united front" you run to out of convenience to your point NOW isn';t doing a thing for you cause of the history behind it where the left has shown to not care about jackfuck other than what THEY want. since this is what trump seems to be doing, maybe he's part leftist.

no ONE person does. we have a system. did you get upset when obama EO's his way around issues and abused power?

the rest of your points are just blithering i don't feel like responding to.

What could Trump do what you wouldn't call "posturing?"

 

[jc456]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis
Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

(The agency traced most heroin and cocaine to privately owned vehicles passing through legal ports of entry. Fentanyl from Mexico is most often transported this way, too. Sometimes, drugs are mixed in with legal goods on tractor-trailers.)

According to drug threat assessments from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the majority of the drugs that cross the southwest border are brought in through official ports of entry. This has been the case for years.

When I read stuff like this, I often wonder just what technique you would use to make an assessment of how drugs came into the country after the fact.

I wonder if it was a crystal ball or a ouija board.

Mark

any way that backs his way. he's the most impotent person here, his way or no way. Again, he is a member of the KAOA, killing americans off agenda.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

President Obama Also Faced A 'Crisis' At The Southern Border

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

(The agency traced most heroin and cocaine to privately owned vehicles passing through legal ports of entry. Fentanyl from Mexico is most often transported this way, too. Sometimes, drugs are mixed in with legal goods on tractor-trailers.)

According to drug threat assessments from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the majority of the drugs that cross the southwest border are brought in through official ports of entry. This has been the case for years.

When I read stuff like this, I often wonder just what technique you would use to make an assessment of how drugs came into the country after the fact.

I wonder if it was a crystal ball or a ouija board.

Mark

I'm going off of what drug threat assessments say and what the DEA reports show. If you have data of your own to provide, go for it. If not, you're blowing hot air.

Actually, its not me blowing smoke. I believe it bureaucrats that provide assessments with limited information that would be.

Mark

 

[iceberg]

Is this day 20?

We're literally being held hostage by a rouge petulant potus

all for political posturing

may it bite him so hard in the azz, he never recovers, may his supporters suffer the consequenses

'effing tyrant .....

~S~

if so, then what you're doing now is political posturing as well. also, unfortunately when our collective gov acts the fool (like both sides are doing these days) we *all* suffer the consequences.

we really need to stop this "us vs them" blanket simpleton thought process.

But when the alleged Leader of the Nation PROMOTES the division every chance he can, how can we?

the Leader can lead us out of this mess that you correctly describe.... if he continues to promote it, as he clearly does every minute of the day and through every tweet, it will not change.... along with the fact that the internet media, and mainstream media, make money off of the division!

what's he supposed to do - deny it?

face it. we are a divided nation in so many ways, blaming 1 person is done out of convenience or hate, not reality.

we do agree mainstream media is going KA-CHING which is why i never give a flip on what they are saying.

 

[bripat9643]

where the border agents said was needed. yep!!!

Unless you missed it, he's listening to them since they are the experts. you not so much.

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

 

[iceberg]

Is this day 20?

We're literally being held hostage by a rouge petulant potus

all for political posturing

may it bite him so hard in the azz, he never recovers, may his supporters suffer the consequenses

'effing tyrant .....

~S~

if so, then what you're doing now is political posturing as well. also, unfortunately when our collective gov acts the fool (like both sides are doing these days) we *all* suffer the consequences.

we really need to stop this "us vs them" blanket simpleton thought process.

Our illustrious potus admits he owns this shutdown

it's not GOP against DEM, it's Trump against us all

No one entity in governance should wield such power

The fact that there exists no standard for this executive privelge ,means Trump (or any potus)can shut us all down w/o validation is no small issue, it's a huge issue

Would you like martial law enforced w/o provocation?

Seriously, even if the wall were a good cause, this is not the way to get the job done

whatever happened to a representative democracy?

~S~

funny the left asks for representative democracy as they're trying to do away with the EC.

and you wonder why no one can take the one-way whines seriously anymore. the emotional bank accounts are empty from the years of leftist-emo drain on the entire system.

i never said trump didn't own it. i said both sides are posturing.

it's left vs right anymore so this "united front" you run to out of convenience to your point NOW isn';t doing a thing for you cause of the history behind it where the left has shown to not care about jackfuck other than what THEY want. since this is what trump seems to be doing, maybe he's part leftist.

no ONE person does. we have a system. did you get upset when obama EO's his way around issues and abused power?

the rest of your points are just blithering i don't feel like responding to.

What could Trump do what you wouldn't call "posturing?"

so i say 1 time he's posturing and we instantly go to i'm no longer a conservative republican and become the enemy.

no. we don't live in extreme times at all.

 

[jc456]

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

shhhhhh, he doesn't know that. he thinks negotiate means he gets everything and anything he wants.

 

[bripat9643]

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

shhhhhh, he doesn't know that. he thinks negotiate means he gets everything and anything he wants.

That's what Dims have always thought. They have the same definition for "compromise."

 

[Care4all]

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should, be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

 

[jc456]

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

dude too funny, you want a win ahead of the negotiation. that isn't negotiating. duhhhhhh

And again, you wish to victimize 300 million people ahead of giving five bucks for security. what an asshole.

There is nothing like bargaining in good faith as a leftist.

 

[bripat9643]

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

You're such a fucking moron. All they are saying is "just open the government?" In other words, "we'll negotiate after you throw away your only leverage." It takes serious brain damage to post idiocies like that.

 

[sealybobo]

Why didn’t trump get the money from Paul Ryan? You’re saying this crisis occurred the minute Pelosi took over? Liar

You must be retarded.
He needs cooperation from the Democrats to get anything done in the Senate.
Now the Democrats have managed to steal enough seats to take back the House, so thanks to the idiots in California, Trump has to deal with Nancy Pelosi.

Waaaaa! Waaaaa! We controled everything but it's still the mean old Democrat's fault!

Quit yer bitchin' you big baby. You kids had the chance and you blew it, now suck it up and move on.

Obama is responsible for literally millions of illegals and "asylum seekers" dispersed in an even manner throughout the US A high percentage are Muslims). Many have strange diseases and whatnot. Chattanooga, Minnesota are 2 of the places. That's central and North covered, I'm sure there's west and east places, too.

What about these facts?

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Clearly Bill Clinton was doing the job and Bush didn't. I say it was on purpose. Republicans loved illegals back then doing jobs Americans wouldn't do.

Republicans have no shame no matter how wrong they are or were. Back in the 2000's I argued and argued with them but they

a. Loved the cheap shit coming from China
b. Defended illegals for just doing jobs Americans wouldn't do
c. Defended corporations and bashed unions as those corporations were sending our best paying manufacturing jobs to Mexico


And Republicans refuse to go after employers, even illegal ones. Deep down they love the cheap labor. Trump can't hire illegals at Mara Largo and then ask to build a wall. How stupid does he think we are?

You're making an assumption.
A decrease in apprehensions doesn't automatically mean much of anything. You need facts, not opinions to base any valued judgment from.
A decrease could mean that fewer people were breaking the law, or people were just hiding their illegality better.

You honestly believe The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, is because no one was hiring illegals? Sure that could be possible NOT! We all know that the numbers of illegals have steadily risen every year since Reagan. But you want to suggest that the numbers in 2004 might suggest no one was hiring illegals in 2004?

Nice try but even you know you are reaching for straws here.

 

[depotoo]

Manufactured-
Jan, 2019
Migrant accused of attempted sexual assault
Jan, 2019
Previously deported illegal immigrant charged with rape in Shelby Co.
Jan, 2019
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Pablo-school-worker-arrested-on-child-13515025.php (Illegal alien)
Dec, 2018
Border Patrol arrests Guatemalan man wanted for child sexual assault
Dec, 2018
Illegal immigrant charged with 2014 rape of Sacred Heart student
Dec, 2018
Illegal immigrant living in Hammond arrested for child pornography, identity theft
Dec, 2018
Police Arrest Man in Waldorf for Rape and Sexual Abuse of a Minor | Southern Maryland News Net (Illegal alien)
Dec, 2018
Yet Another Illegal Alien Raped A Child In North Carolina – United States Illegal Alien Crime Report
Dec, 2018
Undocumented immigrant snuck into Lebanon home, raped 6-year-old girl: police say
Dec, 2018
Member of Mexican sex trafficking ring sentenced to 8 years' imprisonment
Dec, 2018
Teen accused of video-game rape is illegal immigrant: DHS


Want more? I have plenty of this ‘manufactured crisis”

 

[jc456]

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

You're such a fucking moron. All they are saying is "just open the government?" In other words, "we'll negotiate after you throw away your only leverage." It takes serious brain damage to post idiocies like that.

Bri, he thinks we're stupid. our posts tell him no, but he is so stupid he can't figure that out yet.

He be like, if I post enough times maybe they'll concede/ cave. like Pelosi thinks trump will. too fking funny, notice I don't use wimpy chuckie's name, he's fking a snake with no backbone.

 

[bripat9643]

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

You're such a fucking moron. All they are saying is "just open the government?" In other words, "we'll negotiate after you throw away your only leverage." It takes serious brain damage to post idiocies like that.

Bri, he thinks we're stupid. our posts tell him no, but he is so stupid he can't figure that out yet.

He be like, if I post enough times maybe they'll concede/ cave. like Pelosi thinks trump will. too fking funny, notice I don't use wimpy chuckie's name, he's fking a snake with no backbone.

I think care4all is a she. In fact, I believe she's a carpet muncher. You're right that she is one of the dumbest posters in this forum. Anything you post goes right over her head. She repeats talking points because she lacks the ability to think her own thoughts or commit logic.

 

[jc456]

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

You're such a fucking moron. All they are saying is "just open the government?" In other words, "we'll negotiate after you throw away your only leverage." It takes serious brain damage to post idiocies like that.

Bri, he thinks we're stupid. our posts tell him no, but he is so stupid he can't figure that out yet.

He be like, if I post enough times maybe they'll concede/ cave. like Pelosi thinks trump will. too fking funny, notice I don't use wimpy chuckie's name, he's fking a snake with no backbone.

I think care4all is a she. In fact, I believe she's a carpet muncher. You're right that she is one of the dumbest posters in this forum. Anything you post goes right over her head. She repeats talking points because she lacks the ability to think her own thoughts or commit logic.

I believe she's the one that gets the mods on me once in awhile.

 

[bripat9643]

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

You're such a fucking moron. All they are saying is "just open the government?" In other words, "we'll negotiate after you throw away your only leverage." It takes serious brain damage to post idiocies like that.

Bri, he thinks we're stupid. our posts tell him no, but he is so stupid he can't figure that out yet.

He be like, if I post enough times maybe they'll concede/ cave. like Pelosi thinks trump will. too fking funny, notice I don't use wimpy chuckie's name, he's fking a snake with no backbone.

I think care4all is a she. In fact, I believe she's a carpet muncher. You're right that she is one of the dumbest posters in this forum. Anything you post goes right over her head. She repeats talking points because she lacks the ability to think her own thoughts or commit logic.

I believe she's the one that gets the mods on me once in awhile.

Yep. She tries to bait you, and then she reports you if you return fire.