Everyone Repeat After Me...This Is A Manufactured Crisis...Manufactured Crisis....Manufactured Cr...

[jc456]

Not a strong enough of a case to show that enough fentanyl came in through illegal immigrants to kill every man, woman, and child in America. Got it.

ICE busts more than 50 illegal immigrants in New England raids – Boston Herald
This below was before the latest bust above
In Three Months, Enough Fentanyl Was Smuggled Across The Border To Kill 36 Million Americans
Border Patrol agents confiscated more than 36 million lethal doses worth of fentanyl in three months while catching illegal immigrants entering the U.S. along the southern border, according to congressional testimony.

Andrew R. Arthur of the research institute Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) testified in front of the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Thursday. Congress invited witnesses to discuss how environmental regulations affect border enforcement.

Still not a strong case. Surely you understand the importance of looking at data rather than individual instances of particular things happening? I can post articles about people dying as a result of X and than claim there's a huge crisis when the data doesn't support my claim. Trump supporters love to do that.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44599.pdf

“transport the bulk of their goods over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers.”

Drugs will flow in regardless, ever heard of the balloon effect?

Most drugs come through legal ports of entry and drug traffickers always find new routes.
And yes, it's not a strong case when you consider it's 161 pounds.

correct, wow, actual facts. The effort is to move most all now.

Do you honestly believe 161 pounds of Fentanyl is going to kill all americans?
Don't let your size instinct get out of control.

the fact that you don't care about one death is very bothersome. wow. KAOA away baby for you eh?

 

[jc456]

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The Perils of Illegal Border Crossing

You realize that link is talking about the journey to the border, not numbers on apprehensions over time.

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

but the people coming in are not from mexico. but thanks for trying.

Caravan, baby, caravan.

You can look at numbers from a variety of countries, not just Mexico. Hence: "countries like Mexico."

I do bubba. I can get more numbers than you as needed. right now, you don't care if one american is killed by someone crossing illegal. the numbers aren't going to matter, you're all in on KAOA fk!

 

[Globalist]

Not a strong enough of a case to show that enough fentanyl came in through illegal immigrants to kill every man, woman, and child in America. Got it.

Still not a strong case. Surely you understand the importance of looking at data rather than individual instances of particular things happening? I can post articles about people dying as a result of X and than claim there's a huge crisis when the data doesn't support my claim. Trump supporters love to do that.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44599.pdf
Drugs will flow in regardless, ever heard of the balloon effect?

Most drugs come through legal ports of entry and drug traffickers always find new routes.
And yes, it's not a strong case when you consider it's 161 pounds.

correct, wow, actual facts. The effort is to move most all now.

Do you honestly believe 161 pounds of Fentanyl is going to kill all americans?
Don't let your size instinct get out of control.

the fact that you don't care about one death is very bothersome. wow. KAOA away baby for you eh?

Where did I say I don't care about one death? It's important to put things in perspective. Do you know how many Americans die every year from healthcare accidents? Suicide? etc,etc,etc.. you can pull up individual instances of these things happening and than use that to support an argument that we need drastic reforms to address an issue but it's not a strong argument.

 

[hunarcy]

LOL!

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

The Perils of Illegal Border Crossing

You realize that link is talking about the journey to the border, not numbers on apprehensions over time.

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's. Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

 

[depotoo]

" In California, a veteran was raped and brutally murdered by an illegal alien with a long criminal history. In Maryland, MS-13 gang members viciously stabbed a 16-year-old girl. 100,000 assaults. 4,000 murders. Tell those families this crisis isn't real." - trump

Along with the girls that were carved up by illegally entered ms-13 members.
None of that phases these idiots. The vicious murders of kids matters not to them. They did not have to happen, if we had better control of our southern border.

MS-13 gangsters suspected in Long Island quadruple murder linked to ongoing street war - NY Daily News
The doomed quartet "all suffered from significant trauma throughout their body," the commissioner said Thursday. "It appears they were killed with a sharper-edged instrument."

The attackers who went after the murdered girls used a machete and baseball bats, officials said.

MS-13 is also suspected in the murders of four teenage boys whose skeletal remains were found on Long Island in recent months.

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

 

[jc456]

ICE busts more than 50 illegal immigrants in New England raids – Boston Herald
This below was before the latest bust above
In Three Months, Enough Fentanyl Was Smuggled Across The Border To Kill 36 Million Americans
Border Patrol agents confiscated more than 36 million lethal doses worth of fentanyl in three months while catching illegal immigrants entering the U.S. along the southern border, according to congressional testimony.

Andrew R. Arthur of the research institute Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) testified in front of the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Thursday. Congress invited witnesses to discuss how environmental regulations affect border enforcement.

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Still not a strong case. Surely you understand the importance of looking at data rather than individual instances of particular things happening? I can post articles about people dying as a result of X and than claim there's a huge crisis when the data doesn't support my claim. Trump supporters love to do that.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44599.pdf

“transport the bulk of their goods over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers.”

Drugs will flow in regardless, ever heard of the balloon effect?

so those weren't numbers he posted? what were they then?

 

[jc456]

Not a strong enough of a case to show that enough fentanyl came in through illegal immigrants to kill every man, woman, and child in America. Got it.

Most drugs come through legal ports of entry and drug traffickers always find new routes.
And yes, it's not a strong case when you consider it's 161 pounds.

correct, wow, actual facts. The effort is to move most all now.

Do you honestly believe 161 pounds of Fentanyl is going to kill all americans?
Don't let your size instinct get out of control.

the fact that you don't care about one death is very bothersome. wow. KAOA away baby for you eh?

Where did I say I don't care about one death? It's important to put things in perspective. Do you know how many Americans die every year from healthcare accidents? Suicide? etc,etc,etc.. you can pull up individual instances of these things happening and than use that to support an argument that we need drastic reforms to address an issue but it's not a strong argument.

americans die almost hourly I presume somewhere there is that stat, if needed I will look at the actual rate. if one dies due to an illegal being here is too many. my fight is to take that count to zero. just saying if you really want my position. or if you don't too bad.

 

[Care4all]

border patrol got 700 miles of the wall built in the places they requested the past 10 years.... are you claiming that border patrol wants a wall across the entire southern border as Trump claimed we needed?

where the border agents said was needed. yep!!!

Unless you missed it, he's listening to them since they are the experts. you not so much.

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

I reviewed numbers through 2017 and my high range number of 400k was accurate....

 

[Globalist]

LOL!

There Is No Border Crisis
Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

The Perils of Illegal Border Crossing

You realize that link is talking about the journey to the border, not numbers on apprehensions over time.

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's. Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42965.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f.../BP Total Apps, Mexico, OTM FY2000-FY2017.pdf
So when looking at illegal entry from individuals from Mexico since 2000, it is clear that it has drastically declined.

Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

Your claim was that:

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work.

In reality, economic growth in countries of origin is the primary driver between declines in illegal immigration. Mexico is simply the best example of this happening, which is why I bring it up.

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Where have I ignored the loss of human life? It's tragic that people are fleeing their home countries searching for a better life are dying on the journey. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think a wall does anything to stop people seeking asylum? Might want to look into how asylum seeking works.

 

[Globalist]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis
Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

(The agency traced most heroin and cocaine to privately owned vehicles passing through legal ports of entry. Fentanyl from Mexico is most often transported this way, too. Sometimes, drugs are mixed in with legal goods on tractor-trailers.)

According to drug threat assessments from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the majority of the drugs that cross the southwest border are brought in through official ports of entry. This has been the case for years.

 

[jc456]

where the border agents said was needed. yep!!!

Unless you missed it, he's listening to them since they are the experts. you not so much.

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

I reviewed numbers through 2017 and my high range number of 400k was accurate....

and you're like that's no big number?

BTW, one is too many!!

one achieves nothing if one does not have a goal.

 

[Globalist]

Most drugs come through legal ports of entry and drug traffickers always find new routes.
And yes, it's not a strong case when you consider it's 161 pounds.

correct, wow, actual facts. The effort is to move most all now.

Do you honestly believe 161 pounds of Fentanyl is going to kill all americans?
Don't let your size instinct get out of control.

the fact that you don't care about one death is very bothersome. wow. KAOA away baby for you eh?

Where did I say I don't care about one death? It's important to put things in perspective. Do you know how many Americans die every year from healthcare accidents? Suicide? etc,etc,etc.. you can pull up individual instances of these things happening and than use that to support an argument that we need drastic reforms to address an issue but it's not a strong argument.

americans die almost hourly I presume somewhere there is that stat, if needed I will look at the actual rate. if one dies due to an illegal being here is too many. my fight is to take that count to zero. just saying if you really want my position. or if you don't too bad.

The point I'm making is that focusing on individual instances of something isn't a strong argument, especially when you look at long term trends/the bigger picture.

 

[jc456]

correct, wow, actual facts. The effort is to move most all now.

Do you honestly believe 161 pounds of Fentanyl is going to kill all americans?
Don't let your size instinct get out of control.

the fact that you don't care about one death is very bothersome. wow. KAOA away baby for you eh?

Where did I say I don't care about one death? It's important to put things in perspective. Do you know how many Americans die every year from healthcare accidents? Suicide? etc,etc,etc.. you can pull up individual instances of these things happening and than use that to support an argument that we need drastic reforms to address an issue but it's not a strong argument.

americans die almost hourly I presume somewhere there is that stat, if needed I will look at the actual rate. if one dies due to an illegal being here is too many. my fight is to take that count to zero. just saying if you really want my position. or if you don't too bad.

The point I'm making is that focusing on individual instances of something isn't a strong argument, especially when you look at long term trends/the bigger picture.

there are enough numbers out there provided by experts. Trump is listening to them. thankfully. one american death at the hands of an illegal is too many deaths.

one doesn't achieve success without a goal.

 

[Care4all]

border patrol got 700 miles of the wall built in the places they requested the past 10 years.... are you claiming that border patrol wants a wall across the entire southern border as Trump claimed we needed?

where the border agents said was needed. yep!!!

Unless you missed it, he's listening to them since they are the experts. you not so much.

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

 

[80zephyr]

LOL!

The Perils of Illegal Border Crossing

You realize that link is talking about the journey to the border, not numbers on apprehensions over time.

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's. Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42965.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Total Apps, Mexico, OTM FY2000-FY2017.pdf
So when looking at illegal entry from individuals from Mexico since 2000, it is clear that it has drastically declined.

Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

Your claim was that:

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work.

In reality, economic growth in countries of origin is the primary driver between declines in illegal immigration. Mexico is simply the best example of this happening, which is why I bring it up.

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Where have I ignored the loss of human life? It's tragic that people are fleeing their home countries searching for a better life are dying on the journey. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think a wall does anything to stop people seeking asylum? Might want to look into how asylum seeking works.

According to international law, anyone seeking asylum has to do it in the first country they enter after they flee their home country.

Mark

 

[jc456]

where the border agents said was needed. yep!!!

Unless you missed it, he's listening to them since they are the experts. you not so much.

in case you missed it, dummy, border patrol told us where they needed a wall/fence in 2007 and got the 700 miles they requested in the Secure Border Act passed that year, and the past 10 years we did what they asked.... the 700 mile fence was just completed recently, we doubled their Border Patrol and INS agents, we gave them newer technology that they asked for as well....

And the high of 1,600,000 illegals TRYING to cross illegally a year at the border has been REDUCED
to around 300-400K a year due mostly to all of those changes...

There is very little, wall to build yet that they have requested.... there are improvements to be made to existing walls or fences, but not much more in new walls in areas where there is none.... just some smaller gaps....

too fking funny. the fact you posted those stats is enough for me to declare you stupid of the day!!!!! wow, just fking wow.

link up buddy.... prove me wrong! Every number listed is fact, not fiction.

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

In other words, the dems wish to stop the negotiations period. got it.

do you know what the phrase "I'll gladly pay you tuesday for hamburger today" means? you really think we are fking stupid. it's quite apparent.

 

[Globalist]

LOL!

You realize that link is talking about the journey to the border, not numbers on apprehensions over time.

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work. But, apprehensions is only one aspect. You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing. So, the fact is you're trying to use the "big picture" to minimize the details of the crisis. Not very honest of you.

You think the fence is the reason for the rapid decline in apprehensions? It's because of economic growth in countries like Mexico -- that's the primary driver.

You are completely ignoring those who die while trying to journey to and across the border as if those deaths mean nothing.

It's always funny when people pretend to give a shit about people fleeing their home countries for economic opportunity/asylum and than simultaneously saying they're "invaders." Of course apprehension isn't the only aspect, but Trump and others are trying to paint the picture that there's a massive increase in illegal immigration that is unprecedented, which is nonsense. Also, I never said the deaths mean nothing. In fact, I have no problem with people seeking asylum. Nice try though!

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's. Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Pretty funny. Mexico's "economic growth" is as lackluster as Obama's.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42965.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Total Apps, Mexico, OTM FY2000-FY2017.pdf
So when looking at illegal entry from individuals from Mexico since 2000, it is clear that it has drastically declined.

Further, most of the people coming here from Central America care little about Mexico's "economic growth".

Your claim was that:

First, there are fewer apprehensions because of the 700 miles of walls that has been built, showing that walls do work.

In reality, economic growth in countries of origin is the primary driver between declines in illegal immigration. Mexico is simply the best example of this happening, which is why I bring it up.

It's always funny to see people who dismiss the situation as "not a crisis" ignore the loss of human life and then pretend they are just as caring as everyone else because they have "no problem with people seeking asylum" when the facts are that people who come here illegally are dying on the journey north and after crossing the border illegally because they have no water or supplies.

Where have I ignored the loss of human life? It's tragic that people are fleeing their home countries searching for a better life are dying on the journey. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think a wall does anything to stop people seeking asylum? Might want to look into how asylum seeking works.

According to international law, anyone seeking asylum has to do it in the first country they enter after they flee their home country.

Mark

Under US and international law people have the right to seek Asylum in another country, it doesn't have to be done in their home country. This is quite literally true, as we're processing asylum seekers right now.

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

There Is No Border Crisis

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

Here is the big picture: The most important overlooked immigration development is that illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has plummeted by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data. That means large-scale illegal migration by Mexicans to the United States – the original public justification Donald Trump used for building a wall along the border – is simply over. Demographics and improved economic conditions in Mexico ended it.

That still leaves the problem of families and unaccompanied minors from Central America seeking safety, economic well-being or both in the United States. It also leaves a U.S. system not well organized to cope with them. Unaccompanied minors and family units from two countries drove the increase in FY 2018 numbers.

Apprehensions of family units (children with adult family members) from El Salvador dropped almost 50% between FY 2016 and FY 2018. Apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador fell by 72%, down to 4,949 in FY 2018. Border Patrol apprehensions of family units and unaccompanied minors from Mexico have also dropped significantly in the past few years.

Anyone who actually bothers to look at the data knows their is no "crisis."

Date on that matters not, as it was continued through then end of his administration.
Maybe repeating this will-

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014. This is according to the United States Sentencing Commission, which also found that illegals were involved in nearly 17 percent of drug-trafficking sentences and over 33 percent of federal sentences overall.

5. A disproportionate amount of illegals are in state prisons. Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and a lawyer, reviewed statistics from the Government Accountability Office and Pew Research Center and compared the number of illegals and non-illegals imprisoned for murder-related offenses in a 2015 National Review piece. Some of his findings:

• There were 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Arizona, compared to 54.06 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned for every 100,000 citizens and legal noncitizens.
• There were 97.2 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in California, compared to 74.1 citizens and legal noncitizens imprisoned per 100,000 citizen and legal noncitizens.
• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 168.75 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in New York, compared to 48.12 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants.
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants .

Kirsanow acknowledged that while comparing murder incarceration rates isn't a perfect measurement, "it’s difficult to contend that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than legal residents — at least when it comes to major crimes." But the more disturbing fact was that "approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses" in California alone.
9 Things You Need To Know About Illegal Immigration And Crime

Yeah, because border deportations/apprehensions are down, due to fudging of numbers by the previous administration. This admin has gone back to reporting as has been done in the past.

High deportation figures are misleading
Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review

Those articles are from 2014. Are you saying the trump admin's own DHS is unaware of changes at the border? What you've linked doesn't provide a strong case for their being a "crisis" either.

If you're going to bring up drug crimes you should probably mention that most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
When looking at crime rate for illegal immigrants, your own data shows that it varies.
See here:

• There were 54.85 illegals imprisoned for every 100,00 illegals in Florida, compared to 67.8 legal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 legal immigrants
• There were 54.54 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals in Texas, compared to 65.43 legal immigrants.

That's not a very strong case.

Most drug seizures are at legal ports of entry's. After all, thats where all the cops are at. Since the US is awash in drugs, maybe they are getting in elsewhere?

Mark

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

(The agency traced most heroin and cocaine to privately owned vehicles passing through legal ports of entry. Fentanyl from Mexico is most often transported this way, too. Sometimes, drugs are mixed in with legal goods on tractor-trailers.)

According to drug threat assessments from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the majority of the drugs that cross the southwest border are brought in through official ports of entry. This has been the case for years.

When I read stuff like this, I often wonder just what technique you would use to make an assessment of how drugs came into the country after the fact.

I wonder if it was a crystal ball or a ouija board.

Mark

 

[depotoo]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ms-13-gangsters-suspected-long-island-quadruple-murder-article-1.305131
Girl, 14, one of 5 suspects arrested in killing police suspect is linked to MS-13
How brutal murders and fear kept a town silent. MS-13 is like no other gang
15-year-old's murder captured on film by MS-13 gang member | Daily Mail Online
https://nypost.com/2018/04/23/ms-13-gang-members-convicted-for-murder-and-racketeering/
ICE Thwarts MS-13 Murder Plot; Gangbangers Collared
Prosecutors: MS-13 behind murder of Annapolis woman
Suspected MS-13 Gang Member Arrested In Park Stabbing, Dismembering: Cops | HuffPost
How brutal murders and fear kept a town silent. MS-13 is like no other gang

Do people need photos here to show not only do they murder, they carve up their victims, to make you realize we need a wall to help reduce this threat?