FDR knew!

[Moonglow]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

How much do they earn?

I have never seen the money the government gives them so i dont know.

i would say ask THEM since they are the ones that know but since the government pays them to lie all the time,you would not get a straight honest answer from them.

rightwinger even today STILL says the Rams are not playing in LA. seriously,I am not kidding.He is the ONLY poster at this site who refuses to say they are playing in LA now,seriously I am not joking.

that is all the proof in the world that he LIES all the time when he knows he is wrong and is USMB'S resident troll with the logic -I am right,everybody else in the world is wrong. that cannot be disputed. sadly,he would KILL himself first before ever uttering the words -I was wrong.lol

If you don't know how much they get, then you have no way of knowing if they get paid at all...

wrong. paid trolls like agents rightwinger,jake and sayit troll get constant ass beatings here everyday constantly hour by hour. They are obviously not children from looking at their posts which would explain how they have the time to troll here at all hours everyday but that is not the case so if they were not getting paid,there would be no way in hell they would have the time they do to troll here everyday like they do and they sure as hell would NEVER come back for their constant ass beatings they get here everyday for FREE. No way,no how.not happening.

to put up with the constant ass beatings they get here everyday and how they embarrass themselves constantly with their out right lies they make up and have been exposed for thousands of times,any person with logic and common sense knows they would NEVER do it for free.no way in hell would they put up with humilating themselves everyday for FREE.not happening.Only if they are paid well do they come back for their constant ass beatings they get everyday.

you can either accept that truth or live in denial on it as you do about government corruption all the time,that is your choice if you dont want to accept it.no skin off my nose if you want to be in denial on this.

You don't know what I say or do 24/7, so lie some more..

 

[Spare_change]

I must admit ...

When I'm feeling blue, when life has got me down ....

I come read this thread.

I leave giggling.

 

[Moonglow]

I must admit ...

When I'm feeling blue, when life has got me down ....

I come read this thread.

I leave giggling.

At least you benefit in some way..A positive beats the hell out of a negative..

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of four years, they are two of Trump's biggest supporters, when they were both vehemently opposed to him at election time.

They're like operation mockingbird on acid.

More transparent than a window.

FDR was a traitor in more ways than one, but his actions leading up to and directly after Pearl Harbor were without question, the acts of a traitor. He should have been hung for what he did. Instead he is lionized as a great man.

This spells it out very clearly and concisely...even the most devoted statist should be able to comprehend...

FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait
On October 30, 1940, during his campaign for an unprecedented third term as president, Franklin Roosevelt told an audience in Boston,

And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars. They are going into training to form a force so strong that, by its very existence, it will keep the threat of war far away from our shores. The purpose of our defense is defense.

It was a lie. In actuality, FDR was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into World War II to help Great Britain and France defeat Germany.

Why secretly? Because he knew that the American people, having been fed a bill of goods by President Wilson some 20 years regarding World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering another European war.

If Roosevelt wanted to intervene in the war, why didn’t he just send U.S. troops into battle, just as later presidents would do in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada, Afghanistan, Somalia, and others?

This was during a time when presidents still complied with the constitutional provision that prohibits a president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. FDR knew that if he went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war, as Wilson had for intervention into World War I, there was no chance that Congress would have consented to it.

So, FDR did everything he could to induce Germany into attacking the United States, including having U.S. warships escort British ships in war zones and even going so far as to track and report on German submarines in the area. Also, under so-called “lend-lease” agreements, FDR began providing armaments to Great Britain.

That’s when he began squeezing Japan. He began demanding that Japan end its brutal military occupation of China. When Japan refused to comply with his order, FDR ordered a freeze on Japanese bank accounts in the United States.

More important, he imposed complete embargo on U.S. oil shipments to Japan, an act that directly threatened the ability of the Japanese military to continue occupying China.

When Japan entered negotiations with the United States in an attempt to avoid war with the U.S., FDR offered terms that he knew would be highly humiliating to the Japanese and that they would never accept. By this time, the United States had broken Japan’s diplomatic code and also possibly its military code (that part is still being held secret by the U.S. military) and so U.S. officials knew that war was imminent.

That’s why U.S. troops were left in the Philippines and why U.S. ships were left at Pearl Harbor. FDR used them as bait for the Japanese to attack. Roosevelt was crafty enough to order U.S. carriers out of Hawaii so that they would still be available for war later on. But he just as craftily left destroyers and cruisers — and the men operating them at Pearl Harbor — so that the Japanese could be lured into attacking and providing FDR with his casus belli. It’s also why Gen. Douglas Macarthur and 10,000 American troops were left in the Philippines. They too were being used as bait.

More at the link......STATISTS PLEASE READ IT>>>>
FDR’s Pearl Harbor Bait - The Future of Freedom Foundation

Well like I said,that applys to Eisenhower as well.Both of these mass murderers are considered by many sheeple in america as great men incredibly not having a clue how evil and corrupt they really were. I am glad you liked my post I made earlier how I documented Ike being chummy with the mass murderer and how he laughed his head off and stood by when Stalin told his troops to go ahead and rape those german women. Before I showed you that link and that photo,were you aware of those facts about traiter Ike by chance?

How bout you Misterbeal? were YOU aware of those facts on Traiter Ike being chums with Stalin? that is such great information because that photo of him standing there being buddies with Ike is not near as common as the photo of FDR,churchill,and Stalin laughing it up together.so i was really glad to find that rare link and rare photo.

 

[MisterBeale]

It must be admitted that world powers at the time were still fascinated with the battleship; those great big guns, you know! That is why Germany built the Bismark and others. It is why Japan built the two largest battleships ever. But, they also built fourteen aircraft carriers. They sensed the evolution to new possibilities, just as the Wehmacht took up dramatically new tactics based upon new capabilities.
Now, the military is fascinated with huge, terribly expensive, hazardously vulnerable aircraft carriers. The cliché continues; generals are always fighting the last war.

. . . and not surprisingly, the next false flag to start a war might be done by either letting, or purposely sinking an older Carrier to boost support for next gen. military tactics, while at the same time, pushing these idiots that need a push, to more support war frenzy.

 

[MisterBeale]

It must be admitted that world powers at the time were still fascinated with the battleship; those great big guns, you know! That is why Germany built the Bismark and others. It is why Japan built the two largest battleships ever. But, they also built fourteen aircraft carriers. They sensed the evolution to new possibilities, just as the Wehmacht took up dramatically new tactics based upon new capabilities.
Now, the military is fascinated with huge, terribly expensive, hazardously vulnerable aircraft carriers. The cliché continues; generals are always fighting the last war.

Yes...and as it must be admitted, since it is a known fact, dumb fuck warmongering leaders often fight the last war instead of the current one. Hence the fascination with the battleship in the 1940s, when clearly the aircraft carrier was far more important and deadly.

Very true

Now WHY would FDR agree to sacrifice his Battleships at a time when Naval doctrine was built around a traditional fleet?

YOU already told us.

More Battleships, newer and more modern ones were in the process of being built, and the payoff was greater than the loss, i.e., pushing America into the war.

 

[there4eyeM]

F.D.R. established a lesson that the Bushleague learned from.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

By rights, and by strategic consideration, Japan should have declared war on the USSR and left the USA alone. However, Soviet spies in the USA and Japan put us on a collision course. The greatest benefactor of the Pearl Harbor attack was the USSR.

In December 1941 the Germans had the spires of the Kremlin in their field glasses. A war against Japan would have diverted resources away from defense against the Germans

Draw Play

The Soviet Union had already won its war against Japan in the summer of 1939 at Khalkhin Gol in Mongolia. On December 7, 1941, Stalin revealed his retreat had been faked. He had suckered the Nazi blitzkrieg into overextending the German supply lines. His real army had been ready and waiting all the time just beyond Moscow. He also suckered FDR into provoking the Japanese because he made it look like Hitler would soon have the overpowering advantage of a complete conquest of Russia and its crucial oilfields.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They were way out to the west when Guderian drove through the Ardennes, under the British plan that counted on the Germans doing just what the Brits wanted.
By the way, De Gaulle wrote interesting things about what became known as blitzkrieg well before the Wehmacht put it into practice. A French equivalent to Rommel would have stopped the onslaught and likely been in Berlin in two weeks.

England Slept Because It Was a Fascist Sleeper Cell

The French ruling class was pro-Nazi, as were the other European plutocracies and the American one. They relied on Hitler to stop Communism and also wanted to see if his kind of Fascism would work so they could try it at home.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The number and equipment of Japanese troops and the organizations of naval task forces indicates an amphibious expedition against the Philippines, Thai or Kra Peninsula, or possibly Borneo." None of these areas was closer than 5,000 miles to Hawaii! No threat to Pearl Harbor was hinted at. It ended with the words: "Continental districts, Guam, Samoa take measures against sabotage


Good quote...it shows that while FDR may have known war with Japan was imminent, he did not believe Pearl Harbor would be the target. The distance from Japan was too far and the ability of Aircraft carriers to strike at that distance and with that lethality was not understood

Pearl Harbor was more concerned with sabotage than an attack

FDR took the aircraft carriers out of Pearl in order to shadow the Japanese fleet heading for the Indonesian oilfields. He knew they would get jumpy and launch a pre-emptive attack. As later engagements proved, they would lose that first attack; the carriers used as bait were ready and waiting for it.

 

[Camp]

By rights, and by strategic consideration, Japan should have declared war on the USSR and left the USA alone. However, Soviet spies in the USA and Japan put us on a collision course. The greatest benefactor of the Pearl Harbor attack was the USSR.

In December 1941 the Germans had the spires of the Kremlin in their field glasses. A war against Japan would have diverted resources away from defense against the Germans

Draw Play

The Soviet Union had already won its war against Japan in the summer of 1939 at Khalkhin Gol in Mongolia. On December 7, 1941, Stalin revealed his retreat had been faked. He had suckered the Nazi blitzkrieg into overextending the German supply lines. His real army had been ready and waiting all the time just beyond Moscow. He also suckered FDR into provoking the Japanese because he made it look like Hitler would soon have the overpowering advantage of a complete conquest of Russia and its crucial oilfields.

Where were those crucial oil fields you speak of?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

How much do they earn?

I have never seen the money the government gives them so i dont know.

i would say ask THEM since they are the ones that know but since the government pays them to lie all the time,you would not get a straight honest answer from them.

rightwinger even today STILL says the Rams are not playing in LA. seriously,I am not kidding.He is the ONLY poster at this site who refuses to say they are playing in LA now,seriously I am not joking.

that is all the proof in the world that he LIES all the time when he knows he is wrong and is USMB'S resident troll with the logic -I am right,everybody else in the world is wrong. that cannot be disputed. sadly,he would KILL himself first before ever uttering the words -I was wrong.lol

If you don't know how much they get, then you have no way of knowing if they get paid at all...

wrong. paid trolls like agents rightwinger,jake and sayit troll get constant ass beatings here everyday constantly hour by hour. They are obviously not children from looking at their posts which would explain how they have the time to troll here at all hours everyday but that is not the case so if they were not getting paid,there would be no way in hell they would have the time they do to troll here everyday like they do and they sure as hell would NEVER come back for their constant ass beatings they get here everyday for FREE. No way,no how.not happening.

to put up with the constant ass beatings they get here everyday and how they embarrass themselves constantly with their out right lies they make up and have been exposed for thousands of times,any person with logic and common sense knows they would NEVER do it for free.no way in hell would they put up with humilating themselves everyday for FREE.not happening.Only if they are paid well do they come back for their constant ass beatings they get everyday.

you can either accept that truth or live in denial on it as you do about government corruption all the time,that is your choice if you dont want to accept it.no skin off my nose if you want to be in denial on this.

You don't know what I say or do 24/7, so lie some more..

i never said YOU were a paid shill,just brainwashed and afraid of the truth so keep on living in denial they are paid shills,thats your problem not mine.

 

[miketx]

I was just telling my son about how when I was in High School, I had an honors Am. History course, where we had to do a term paper about what would've happened if just one thing in history had changed.

I couldn't think of anything, so I asked my teacher, he was a great guy, for some ideas.

He suggested doing research into what would have happened if the US had broken the Japanese navel code before the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.


So I started researching it.


That's when my high school eyes were opened. Holy shit. That teacher knew what he was doing all along.

The answer? Nothing. Absolutely nothing would have happened differently. The British had broken that code before Japan had attacked, and there were none of the U.S.'s most powerful navel assets at that base on purpose.

He just wanted me to find out the truth on my own.

This is no different than today's headlines about "Fed warns of possible terrorist attacks over holiday weekend".

But here's what could have happened:

 

[MisterBeale]

I was just telling my son about how when I was in High School, I had an honors Am. History course, where we had to do a term paper about what would've happened if just one thing in history had changed.

I couldn't think of anything, so I asked my teacher, he was a great guy, for some ideas.

He suggested doing research into what would have happened if the US had broken the Japanese navel code before the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.


So I started researching it.


That's when my high school eyes were opened. Holy shit. That teacher knew what he was doing all along.

The answer? Nothing. Absolutely nothing would have happened differently. The British had broken that code before Japan had attacked, and there were none of the U.S.'s most powerful navel assets at that base on purpose.

He just wanted me to find out the truth on my own.

This is no different than today's headlines about "Fed warns of possible terrorist attacks over holiday weekend".

But here's what could have happened:

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War propaganda is war propaganda, sure. But it's very apparent that you didn't read all the posts in this thread.

Did you bother to read this article, or the intelligent discussion by the readers following it?

Japan may be guilty, but the US is guilty of the same things. No one is superior, all civilizations' elites do the same damn things.

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor - Robert Higgs

 

[SAYIT]

...War propaganda is war propaganda, sure. But it's very apparent that you didn't read all the posts in this thread. Did you bother to read this article, or the intelligent discussion by the readers following it?

Intelligent conversation?

It's been so 1-sided it must be referred to as a lecture.

On one hand we have the normal posters with enough knowledge and adult historical perspective to carry on an intelligent conversation. On the other we have the usual suspect mix of hair-on-fire idiots, paranoid delusionals, and insipid Libertarian America haters.

True historical revision is the result of painstaking research. What you and others have dumped on this thread is another typical (and hilarious) yet lame effort to take a few real facts, toss in lots of spin and speculation, and top it off with outright fabrications to create - drum roll, please - a bullshit conspiracy theory salad!
It has been, if nothing else, entertaining. Thanks. Please continue.

 

[MisterBeale]

...War propaganda is war propaganda, sure. But it's very apparent that you didn't read all the posts in this thread. Did you bother to read this article, or the intelligent discussion by the readers following it?

Intelligent conversation?

It's been so 1-sided it must be referred to as a lecture.

On one hand we have the normal posters with enough knowledge and adult historical perspective to carry on an intelligent conversation. On the other we have the usual suspect mix of hair-on-fire idiots, paranoid delusionals, and insipid Libertarian America haters.

True historical revision is the result of painstaking research. What you and others have dumped on this thread is another typical (and hilarious) yet lame effort to take a few real facts, toss in lots of spin and speculation, and top it off with outright fabrications to create - drum roll, please - a bullshit conspiracy theory salad!
It has been, if nothing else, entertaining. Thanks. Please continue.

What out right fabrication?

No one here hates America, only those elites that use power to enslave the rest of the world in the name of her people.


Don't ascribe your hateful lies to others.

 

[regent]

Perhaps American base should not have been warned by Washington. They are military bases and should have had their defenses ready for an attack at all times. When Washington warned them it put the burden on Washington to point out when and where the attack would be. A surprise attack when a nation is not at war seems to work more than not. Pearl has been investigated at least nine times.

 

[esthermoon]

He actively implemented a plan to position Japan into attacking, knew it was coming, and purposely refused to warn anyone.

Government is a most heinous force.

Happy Pearl Harbor day.

I don't know if that's true but I have read F.D.Roosevelt was warned three days before the Japanese attack.
Some says he didn't do anything because he wanted to start a war against Germany and Italy and he needed some "excuse".
This "excuse" was needed because the vast majority of the Americans didn't want the war

 

[SAYIT]

He actively implemented a plan to position Japan into attacking, knew it was coming, and purposely refused to warn anyone.Government is a most heinous force. Happy Pearl Harbor day.

I don't know if that's true but I have read F.D.Roosevelt was warned three days before the Japanese attack.
Some says he didn't do anything because he wanted to start a war against Germany and Italy and he needed some "excuse".
This "excuse" was needed because the vast majority of the Americans didn't want the war

Yanno, ascribing this or that intent to the actions of FDR decades after his death is kinda like shooting fish in a barrel and the Internet makes spreading that sort of tripe practically effortless.

Here's a clue: FDR formally declared war on Japan one day after Pearl Harbor. If war with Germany was his intent, why didn't he announce it then? Why did he wait for Germany to declare war on the US before responding?

Thing is, only the "special" people can see inside a dead man's mind, and because they are "special" they are now certain to insist FDR would have eventually declared war on Germany even without Hitler's declaration but all we really know for sure is that Germany instigated war with the US, just as Japan did by bombing Pearl Harbor.

All the fluff posted by the "special" people here (like Gipper) is just that ... meaningless, baseless, fluff intended to make gullible people believe he's smart and well-informed. He fools only the gullible.

BTW, some of these "special" people - like LARam - still ride on the "special" bus:

 

[gipper]

He actively implemented a plan to position Japan into attacking, knew it was coming, and purposely refused to warn anyone.Government is a most heinous force. Happy Pearl Harbor day.

I don't know if that's true but I have read F.D.Roosevelt was warned three days before the Japanese attack.
Some says he didn't do anything because he wanted to start a war against Germany and Italy and he needed some "excuse".
This "excuse" was needed because the vast majority of the Americans didn't want the war

Yanno, ascribing this or that intent to the actions of FDR decades after his death is kinda like shooting fish in a barrel and the Internet makes spreading that sort of tripe practically effortless.

Here's a clue: FDR formally declared war on Japan one day after Pearl Harbor. If war with Germany was his intent, why didn't he announce it then? Why did he wait for Germany to declare war on the US before responding?

Thing is, only the "special" people can see inside a dead man's mind, and because they are "special" they are now certain to insist FDR would have eventually declared war on Germany even without Hitler's declaration but all we really know for sure is that Germany instigated war with the US, just as Japan did by bombing Pearl Harbor.

All the fluff posted by the "special" people here (like Gipper) is just that ... meaningless, baseless, fluff intended to make gullible people believe he's smart and well-informed. He fools only the gullible.

BTW, some of these "special" people - like LARam - still ride on the "special" bus:

Willful ignorance is always a terrible shame.

FDR actively worked for at least a year to instigate the Japanese attack. He knew it was coming well before Dec 7th...probably by Nov 15th when the Japanese fleet was under way. Refused to warn commanders at Pearl and later scapegoated them. Specifically cleared the ocean of shipping so the Japanese fleet would think they were undetected. Made sure air patrols north of Hawaii were stopped. He had the carriers removed from Pearl leaving only WWI warships that meant nothing...and most were easily put back into service after the attack....He purposely sacrificed Americans killed in the attack, for his heinous purposes.

He had tried desperately to get the Germans to fire on our many warships helping the Brits, since early 1940...but Hitler would not take the bait. He lied repeatedly to the American people during the 1940 campaign...telling us no american boys would go to war...all the while actively working to get us in the war.

He should have been hung as a traitor.