Florida Republicans to gun hating doctors mind your own business

[defcon4]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

Now that's the spirit of democracy!! The spirit of the Democrat Party upholding Constitutional rights.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just browsing through my local news site and found this story about Florida Doctors wanting to nosey around their patients homes for guns. Of course they don't physically go to the house, but they want to interrogate children about guns that adults in their home may possess.

Florida passed a law that prohibits doctors from practicing this kind of interrogation, and anti-gun doctors wish to fight it, even to the Supreme Court if they have to.

I won't paste the entire piece, but just a few paragraphs that are at the heart of the story:

"Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature and the NRA say the law became necessary when, in their view, doctors began overstepping their bounds in the examination room by pushing an anti-Second Amendment, anti-gun political agenda. The NRA cites several examples of doctors telling patients they'd have to find a new physician if they refused to answer questions about gun ownership or telling parents they should get rid of any guns in the home.

The law, supporters point out, permits doctors under a "good faith" provision to ask about firearms if the questions are deemed "relevant to the patient's medical care or safety" or the safety of other people.

"These provisions target discrimination and harassment, not speech, and they do nothing to impair doctor-patient discussions of firearm safety," NRA attorney Charles Cooper said in court papers. "Even if viewed as a speech regulation, the (law) is a reasonable regulation of speech incidental to the practice of medicine."

The law also has some teeth: doctors who violate the law could face professional discipline, such as a fine, or even lose their medical licenses. The state Department of Health would investigate any complaints, although the law has never been enforced because it was blocked in 2012 by a Miami judge's decision that found it an unconstitutional violation of free speech rights."

Battle rages over Florida law limiting doctors' gun speech

I guess that screwed up judge doesn't consider the 4th Amendment important. Wouldn't matter to me, if a doc asked anything like that I'd fire his ass, and if he's a preferred provider in a insurance network I'd also raise hell with them. But the largest issue of all is regressive hypocrisy, aren't they supposed to be all about privacy?

I'm just against the idea that they may interrogate children. Leave kids out of your political world. You have the right to love or hate guns, but don't torture my kid to get information out of them about my political leanings.

If allowed to continue, the next thing you know, they will be able to have a child removed from a home because "they" deem it harmful to their well being simply because you own firearms. That's where all this is leading to.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

You're a right winger. There is a long list of things you fail to see. Sad for you.

Good, and I hope the list gets longer.

If you have a political agenda, great. Go to rallies, write an opinion piece to your local newspaper, hand out flyers at the voting places. But what you should not be doing is questioning these kids or their parents about your political concerns. It's not your business.

Sure it is if the publicity they garner advances a bunch of made up lies fed to them by the right wing.

And what lies might those be?

 

[defcon4]

Doctors have no fucking business about what people own or don't own. It is an attempt to build a registry about gun owners for future use in gun confiscation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

Now that's the spirit of democracy!! The spirit of the Democrat Party upholding Constitutional rights.

Unfortunately there is no Constitutional right to prevent a politician from sicking the IRS to harass you month after month. They've done similar things in the past. Remember we are talking about Democrats; total control freaks.

 

[Moonglow]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

For short sighted folks like you I can see why you wouldn't understand the motivation..

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Hey Republican party Maybe "We'll make sure you have health care, parental leave & pre-K!" is a better approach than "We'll make sure you have your rapist's baby!"....just saying.........

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

For short sighted folks like you I can see why you wouldn't understand the motivation..

You can't? Then please explain it to us so we all understand.

 

[Moonglow]

Doctors have no fucking business about what people own or don't own. It is an attempt to build a registry about gun owners for future use in gun confiscation.

hardly as it more pertains to guns and mental health or kids in homes with guns and mental health.. When I was asked and the only time they did ask was when it was my 13 year old son's appointment....I allowed him to answer..he said yes...And the doctor ask if he could come out on the land and hunt...No biggie..

 

[bripat9643]

Just browsing through my local news site and found this story about Florida Doctors wanting to nosey around their patients homes for guns. Of course they don't physically go to the house, but they want to interrogate children about guns that adults in their home may possess.

Florida passed a law that prohibits doctors from practicing this kind of interrogation, and anti-gun doctors wish to fight it, even to the Supreme Court if they have to.

I won't paste the entire piece, but just a few paragraphs that are at the heart of the story:

"Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature and the NRA say the law became necessary when, in their view, doctors began overstepping their bounds in the examination room by pushing an anti-Second Amendment, anti-gun political agenda. The NRA cites several examples of doctors telling patients they'd have to find a new physician if they refused to answer questions about gun ownership or telling parents they should get rid of any guns in the home.

The law, supporters point out, permits doctors under a "good faith" provision to ask about firearms if the questions are deemed "relevant to the patient's medical care or safety" or the safety of other people.

"These provisions target discrimination and harassment, not speech, and they do nothing to impair doctor-patient discussions of firearm safety," NRA attorney Charles Cooper said in court papers. "Even if viewed as a speech regulation, the (law) is a reasonable regulation of speech incidental to the practice of medicine."

The law also has some teeth: doctors who violate the law could face professional discipline, such as a fine, or even lose their medical licenses. The state Department of Health would investigate any complaints, although the law has never been enforced because it was blocked in 2012 by a Miami judge's decision that found it an unconstitutional violation of free speech rights."

Battle rages over Florida law limiting doctors' gun speech

I guess that screwed up judge doesn't consider the 4th Amendment important. Wouldn't matter to me, if a doc asked anything like that I'd fire his ass, and if he's a preferred provider in a insurance network I'd also raise hell with them. But the largest issue of all is regressive hypocrisy, aren't they supposed to be all about privacy?

I'm just against the idea that they may interrogate children. Leave kids out of your political world. You have the right to love or hate guns, but don't torture my kid to get information out of them about my political leanings.

If allowed to continue, the next thing you know, they will be able to have a child removed from a home because "they" deem it harmful to their well being simply because you own firearms. That's where all this is leading to.

Democrats have a long history of using children to advance their political agenda. Do you remember that elementary school teacher who had her students sing the song worshiping Obama?

 

[BULLDOG]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

You're a right winger. There is a long list of things you fail to see. Sad for you.

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

Looking at medicine from a purely business perspective, it is one of the most regulated professions in existence.

 

[BULLDOG]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

Your Stalinist fantasies are nauseating to observe.

So now I'm a Stalinist? you're crazier by the day.

Where's the distinction?

Dumb question.That's like me asking what the difference is between you and a pile of shit.

 

[BULLDOG]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

Your Stalinist fantasies are nauseating to observe.

So now I'm a Stalinist? you're crazier by the day.

Hardly. You made it clear you wish Hillary would outlaw the NRA. I'm not sure how it can be "chopped down several notches" without tossing the Bill of Rights into the waste bin. The very idea that the president would use government to persecute groups you disagree with is Stalinist.

Agreed, but Democrats get their way via taxation. The very idea that government forces you to buy a healthcare plan is a great example. True, nobody can come to your door and point a gun at you forcing you to sign an agreement with an insurance company, but if you don't comply, the government will take your badly needed hard earned money away from you.

In the past, Democrats have come up with all kinds of ideas to pressure you from owning a gun. Taxing ammunition, forcing you to buy liability insurance, government buying most of the ammunition so that it's less available and more expensive for everybody else.

So (God forbid) if Democrats ever get power of the entire government, they could easily tax the NRA right out of existence or at the very least, knock them down a few notches. Or if they are able to pick new Supreme Court Justices, we might all lose our right to own a firearm.

This is why it's so important for free loving Americans to make sure that never happens.

OMG. You're back to your "they're going to take our guns" silliness. I never saw such a bunch of paranoid babies before in my life.

 

[defcon4]

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

You got that wrong. That part of the law is specific to bakers and florists, therefore Bulldog is not a hypocrite. He/she/it is just applying the law as was originally intended to be applied by Stalinists.

 

[OKTexas]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

You're a right winger. There is a long list of things you fail to see. Sad for you.

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

Looking at medicine from a purely business perspective, it is one of the most regulated professions in existence.

Are they exempt from public accommodation laws?

 

[OKTexas]

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

You got that wrong. That part of the law is specific to bakers and florists, therefore Bulldog is not a hypocrite. He/she/it is just applying the law as was originally intended to be applied by Stalinists.

You forgot photographers.

 

[hazlnut]

Just browsing through my local news site and found this story about Florida Doctors wanting to nosey around their patients homes for guns. Of course they don't physically go to the house, but they want to interrogate children about guns that adults in their home may possess.

Florida passed a law that prohibits doctors from practicing this kind of interrogation, and anti-gun doctors wish to fight it, even to the Supreme Court if they have to.

I won't paste the entire piece, but just a few paragraphs that are at the heart of the story:

"Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature and the NRA say the law became necessary when, in their view, doctors began overstepping their bounds in the examination room by pushing an anti-Second Amendment, anti-gun political agenda. The NRA cites several examples of doctors telling patients they'd have to find a new physician if they refused to answer questions about gun ownership or telling parents they should get rid of any guns in the home.

The law, supporters point out, permits doctors under a "good faith" provision to ask about firearms if the questions are deemed "relevant to the patient's medical care or safety" or the safety of other people.

"These provisions target discrimination and harassment, not speech, and they do nothing to impair doctor-patient discussions of firearm safety," NRA attorney Charles Cooper said in court papers. "Even if viewed as a speech regulation, the (law) is a reasonable regulation of speech incidental to the practice of medicine."

The law also has some teeth: doctors who violate the law could face professional discipline, such as a fine, or even lose their medical licenses. The state Department of Health would investigate any complaints, although the law has never been enforced because it was blocked in 2012 by a Miami judge's decision that found it an unconstitutional violation of free speech rights."

Battle rages over Florida law limiting doctors' gun speech

Doctors should just turn in dangerous parents.

 

[BULLDOG]

No big deal.Once Hillary becomes president, she will have 8 years to regain control and get a handle on the gun nuts that have run rampant recently.Outlawing the NRA might be too much to hope for, but it will be chopped down several notches.

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

You're a right winger. There is a long list of things you fail to see. Sad for you.

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

Looking at medicine from a purely business perspective, it is one of the most regulated professions in existence.

Are they exempt from public accommodation laws?

Why would you think they are?

 

[OKTexas]

You really have a lot of dreams for a President, don't you? Less dreams for States Rights apparently.

I fail to see why a physician needs to know about guns in a home when their line of work is medicine. It's like your plumber asking you about sexual relations with your wife.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to feel whatever it is they feel about guns, but it shouldn't be incorporated in your line of work when it involves the public.

You're a right winger. There is a long list of things you fail to see. Sad for you.

I see you're a total hypocrite, doctors have a business open to the public, shouldn't these docs face law suits for discrimination, if they refuse service?

Looking at medicine from a purely business perspective, it is one of the most regulated professions in existence.

Are they exempt from public accommodation laws?

Why would you think they are?

So in your opinion they should be sued for refusing service to people who don't answer questions unrelated to the service they are providing?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just browsing through my local news site and found this story about Florida Doctors wanting to nosey around their patients homes for guns. Of course they don't physically go to the house, but they want to interrogate children about guns that adults in their home may possess.

Florida passed a law that prohibits doctors from practicing this kind of interrogation, and anti-gun doctors wish to fight it, even to the Supreme Court if they have to.

I won't paste the entire piece, but just a few paragraphs that are at the heart of the story:

"Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature and the NRA say the law became necessary when, in their view, doctors began overstepping their bounds in the examination room by pushing an anti-Second Amendment, anti-gun political agenda. The NRA cites several examples of doctors telling patients they'd have to find a new physician if they refused to answer questions about gun ownership or telling parents they should get rid of any guns in the home.

The law, supporters point out, permits doctors under a "good faith" provision to ask about firearms if the questions are deemed "relevant to the patient's medical care or safety" or the safety of other people.

"These provisions target discrimination and harassment, not speech, and they do nothing to impair doctor-patient discussions of firearm safety," NRA attorney Charles Cooper said in court papers. "Even if viewed as a speech regulation, the (law) is a reasonable regulation of speech incidental to the practice of medicine."

The law also has some teeth: doctors who violate the law could face professional discipline, such as a fine, or even lose their medical licenses. The state Department of Health would investigate any complaints, although the law has never been enforced because it was blocked in 2012 by a Miami judge's decision that found it an unconstitutional violation of free speech rights."

Battle rages over Florida law limiting doctors' gun speech

Doctors should just turn in dangerous parents.

So a doctor is to be judge and jury on who are dangerous parents?

People owning firearms is not only a right, but a personal matter. A doctors job is to treat people for illnesses, not make personal judgement calls based on their pet peeves. It's not against the law for parents of children to own firearms nor does that make them "dangerous parents."