four texas gun-toting "activists" scare fast-food employees into hiding in freezer

[Pogo]

Much ado about nothing.

In an Open-Carry jurisdiction, this should be a common sight.

---- in a restaurant?

What would you need a gun in a restaurant for? In case a herd of buffalo stampede through? No, that doesn't make sense...

-- to slaughter game for your meal? No, that's already done...

-- to rob the place?

Aha.

 

[shart_attack]

Who said anything about "by itself"?

If it's slung over somebody's shoulder, then by definition that person is in control of it. Which means they can do whatever they will with it. And if that person is a stranger walking into a place that has no logical reason to be walking around armed in, but is a place where business is transacted and therefore has cash on the premises .... well do the math.

What, did I forget to post "Duh"?

Let's say the temperature suddenly drops, the wind kicks up and clouds obscure the sun. Are you going to act surprised when it rains?

Well except for the whole "it is perfectly legal" and of course has been for years. Further the protests have been going on for months.

Once again for the terminally stupid.... the sight of a firearm does not justify in and of itself calling the cops. The person that did is an idiot. Further the claim that employees hid in the freezer is denied. Further evidenced by the fact one of them posed with the weapon carriers.

Your ilk have been claiming for YEARS now that open carry would lead to wild west shoot outs and have repeated that claim in this thread. Yet it has not happened EVER. Not in ANY State with open carry. Get a new claim, this one is so tired and ignorant as to defy logic as to it being used.

Further as some of you have suggested others should shot on sight anyone carrying a weapon that is in fact illegal and ignorant. And in fact you not the 2nd Amendment rights people are making the claim. All with no evidence of a threat or reason for such a claim. The simple exsistance 0f A FIREARM IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE IS NOT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN LOGIC REASON FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE AND ANYONE stupid ENOUGH TO DO IT WILL GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL AND BE CHARGED WITH AN ACTUAL CRIME.

You knee jerk dumb asses are proof positive that you have no brains no common sense and even less intelligence to conduct a logical conversation.

These goons are NAZIs. They are not engaging in good faith conversation.

They are trying to troll and fuck up the thread so no one reads it.

What's your idea of a "good faith conversation", hmmf — calling everyone who doesn't look or think exactly like you a "Nazi"?

Hurling f-bombs like a 14-year-old kid who's trying to act tough?

You're a pussy, dude. A big, fat, pussy who's probably never been in a fistfight his entire life.

 

[Kondor3]

Much ado about nothing.

In an Open-Carry jurisdiction, this should be a common sight.

---- in a restaurant?

What would you need a gun in a restaurant for? In case a herd of buffalo stampede through? No, that doesn't make sense...

-- to slaughter game for your meal? No, that's already done...

-- to rob the place?

Aha.

None of that matters, in the final analysis.

It turned into a hugely successful Teaching Moment, on the part of the Open-Carry Club folk.

It doesn't matter why they brought guns into a restaurant.

Maybe they intended on using them to stir their coffee, or tripod, then stack their jackets on.

Doesn't matter.

They have the right to do so, in that jurisdication.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thread summary, reading the first half-dozen pages or so...

One side sez:

You know, when I used to work third shift in a convenience store, I met a similar "activist" one night who wore a ski mask over his head.

He said he was just wearing it to try to educate convenience store workers on the danger of people who walk into convenience stores in the middle of the night wearing ski masks over their heads.

I didn't believe him.

How the hell were the employees to know that the men with guns were law abiding citizens? I can understand their fear.

Other side sez:

But if the defendent were a libtard PC Nazi like you, hell, I would vote guilty on anything the prosecutor put in front of us regardless of what the evidence might be. Just safeguarding our rights by doing so.

Come arrest me for terrorism, you Nazi fuck.

Guess which side wants the WMD.

You lying fucking sack of shit, there are plenty of well thought out defenses of gun rights in this thread, and plenty of asshole scumbags who are afraid of guns how resort to emotional attacks because they can't there is, literally, no rational argument against them. Then again, if you weren't an anti freedom lying scumbag you wouldn't be able to post, would you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

^^ That. Exactly that. Gun culture makes its bed and then doesn't wanna lie in it.

Now who saw that coming...

You two are something else. Seeing a weapon isn't an excuse to kill anybody. Why do you libs think like that? You transfer your fears onto gun owners so you can insult them.

-- Who the hell suggested that?

I'm saying, you like that theory? Then try thinking it through.

Duh?

That would be the pro government scumbag that denies he is a pro government scumbag.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You two are something else. Seeing a weapon isn't an excuse to kill anybody. Why do you libs think like that? You transfer your fears onto gun owners so you can insult them.

-- Who the hell suggested that?

I'm saying, you like that theory? Then try thinking it through.

Duh?

Try thinking, period. He said "Let them make the decision whether those armed guys entering their restaurant are a threat or not". Self defense is based on the threat of your life, seeing arms isn't a threat on your life. Get it?

Of course not, because the only possible reason to carry a gun is if you are planning to shoot everyone in sight. Just ask him.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, but these four butt clowns are NOT the guys I want advancing arguments for the Right to Bear Arms:

Rheana Murray, ABC News—Fast food employees who thought they were being robbed by a group of gun-toting men locked themselves in a freezer to hide, police said.

It turned out the men, some of them from the group Open Carry Texas, were just staging a demonstration of their right to bear arms, Fort Worth, Texas, Police Sgt. Raymond Bush told ABCNews.com.

“When police showed up, there were four to six men carrying rifles,” he said. “The employees were in fear for their lives.”

No arrests were made and the gun owners went home after their demonstration.

Employees spotted the men outside the restaurant. Once police arrived and reassured the workers they were in no danger, at least one employee posed with the group for a photo.

The demonstration was staged by Open Carry Tarrant County, the local chapter of Open Carry Texas, OCT's CJ Grisham told ABCNews.com.

Grisham denied reports employees hid in the freezer, claiming they were the result of a customer's false 911 call.

"There are a lot of people in that area who completely disagree with gun rights," he said. "They have been doing this to us for months now - call the police with false reports of us waving around guns, scaring people."

Fort Worth police said they stand by their report.

Open Carry Texas, which often stages demonstrations, says its mission is to educate Texans about gun safety and encourage citizens to feel safe around gun owners who bear arms in public.

Gun Advocates Spook Fast Food Workers Into Hiding in Freezer

I don't know who these "patriots" think they are, but where I come from, we call them TERRORISTS.

It could have been fun if one or more of the employees had a conceal-carry permit.

So you think it would be FUNNY if some McD's employee with concealed carry permit opened fire on peaceful demonstrators?

Thank you for illustrating why it's time for the progressive nutbags to be shut down.

 

[koshergrl]

Would it have been equally as funny if someone had opened fire on black demonstrators during the civil rights sit-ins?

Or maybe if somebody opened fire on a gay rights demonstration?

 

[srlip]

if someone is walking around with a slung rifle, and it's on YOUR property, you certainly have the right to ask them to leave. If they DON'T leave, then it's criminal trespass and WILl get them locked up, until they can bond out, which probably won't take more than a day.

Now, you MIGHT also be able to make a charge stick for disturbing your peace, but I wouldn't count on it. Me, I'd just go ask them to leave, cause they are scaring my other customers and my employees. If they didn't immediately split the scene, they'd get to see my ccw draw and I'd make a citizen's arrest for criminal trespass. and if they even LOOKED like they were going to try somethign with those guns, I'd kill whichever of them was moving in the threatening manner, then swap the gun muzzle to the other, and if wasn't on his knees or fleeing, guess what?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Pussified fast-food employees overreact and hide in freezer

Fixed it for ya.

I guess these victims were "pussified" in the freezer too.

--- asshole.

I guess you don't know that it is impossible to lock yourself into a freezer at a fast food restaurant, which is why I know the fucking story is a fucking lie.

 

[koshergrl]

Because we haven't done that. And have never voiced the believe that somebody should.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, but these four butt clowns are NOT the guys I want advancing arguments for the Right to Bear Arms:



Gun Advocates Spook Fast Food Workers Into Hiding in Freezer

I don't know who these "patriots" think they are, but where I come from, we call them TERRORISTS.

Did you know the title of your thread was a lie before you posted it or after you posted it?

There is nothing about the title of the thread that is a lie.

The Jack in the Box employees were terrified that four butt clowns walked into the store with assault weapons clearly in tow, and appropriately hid in the freezer.

In other words, "four texas gun-toting "activists" scare fast-food employees into hiding in freezer" was the perfect wording of the title to anyone above a fifth-grade reading level.

Other than the fact that walk in freezers only lock from the outside? But, please, don't let your extensive fake experiences in working in convenience stores that never got robbed get derailed by facts.

By the way, I worked in a convenience store for a while. I was alone, during the night shift, in a high crime area. I actually got robbed once, and did exactly what I said I would do during raining, I asked the guy if he wanted me to help him carry the cash register to his car. It wasn't my money, I could care less if he took it, and saw no reason to get into a fight over it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And living like that, afraid to let anyone ever see you are carrying, that is freedom?

And living in a comic book world where everybody you see is a "Nazi cocksucker" out to get you to the point where you paint yourself into the corner of utter dependence on firearms everywhere you go ----------- is?

Thanks for clearing that up.

He would shoot you, and I would help him plant the throwaway that we both would say you pulled on him.

Next question?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm as pro-Second Amendment as anyone, but these four butt clowns are NOT the guys I want advancing arguments for the Right to Bear Arms:



Gun Advocates Spook Fast Food Workers Into Hiding in Freezer

I don't know who these "patriots" think they are, but where I come from, we call them TERRORISTS.

If just the sight of a gun scares you, then that says a lot about you.

Yeah, it says he has at least a rudimentary understanding of the laws of physics.

I guess my understanding of physics is more advanced than yours. For one thing, I know that physics makes it impossible for a gun that isn't pointed in my direction to discharge a projectile that will strike me.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Who said anything about "by itself"?

If it's slung over somebody's shoulder, then by definition that person is in control of it. Which means they can do whatever they will with it. And if that person is a stranger walking into a place that has no logical reason to be walking around armed in, but is a place where business is transacted and therefore has cash on the premises .... well do the math.

What, did I forget to post "Duh"?

Let's say the temperature suddenly drops, the wind kicks up and clouds obscure the sun. Are you going to act surprised when it rains?

Well except for the whole "it is perfectly legal" and of course has been for years. Further the protests have been going on for months.

Unfortunately for that point, the thread and the question have nothing to do with "whether it was legal" --- it's about whether it is a reasonable assumption that four guys walking into a restaurant armed --- an establishment that in no way suggests firearms would be necessary ---- are up to no good. And the answer, obviously, is yes it is a reasonable assumption. If it's not obvious enough: Luby's. If that's not enough: Louisiana Pizza Kitchen. Etc etc etc.

Once again for the terminally stupid.... the sight of a firearm does not justify in and of itself calling the cops. The person that did is an idiot. Further the claim that employees hid in the freezer is denied. Further evidenced by the fact one of them posed with the weapon carriers.

Your ilk have been claiming for YEARS now that open carry would lead to wild west shoot outs and have repeated that claim in this thread. Yet it has not happened EVER. Not in ANY State with open carry. Get a new claim, this one is so tired and ignorant as to defy logic as to it being used.

I'll have to confer with "my ilk" at the next Ilks Club meeting to see what they posted on my behalf, but from where I sit what I've heard from your ilk is that everybody should walk around armed all the time and that the answer to a guy with a gun is... more guys with more guns!

Which is stupid. As I and my ilk actually have said, that's like fighting a fire by pouring gasoline on it. And what Rightwinger is doing with the scenario of standing his ground is taking that fallacy to its obviously fallacious conclusion. Which exposes that nutball idea for the fallacy it is.

Further as some of you have suggested others should shot on sight anyone carrying a weapon that is in fact illegal and ignorant. And in fact you not the 2nd Amendment rights people are making the claim. All with no evidence of a threat or reason for such a claim. The simple exsistance 0f A FIREARM IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE IS NOT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN LOGIC REASON FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE AND ANYONE stupid ENOUGH TO DO IT WILL GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL AND BE CHARGED WITH AN ACTUAL CRIME.

You knee jerk dumb asses are proof positive that you have no brains no common sense and even less intelligence to conduct a logical conversation.

Already addressed above. The fallacy loses.

In an OPEN CARRY State no one is justified in acting ridiculous towards open carry. Neither you nor any other liberal has the right, authority or power to stipulate how or when a private citizen chooses to exercise their LEGAL RIGHTS. In Texas and other open carry States it is perfectly normal reasonable and LEGAL for men or women armed with rifles shotguns or hand guns to carry them openly while shopping or eating.

Further you retards have been claiming for years that such an event would lead to wild west shoot outs and in fact it has NEVER happened. NOT in a single State that has open carry. NEVER.

Your paranoia and cowardly opinions not withstanding no one in an open carry State has any reason to not EXPECT a person at some point or even often to carry weapons into such establishments.

The only stupidity involved is from what ever retard called the cops.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hey, all they did was go to an eating establishment with guns. Perhaps they had an exalted impression of the restaurant and thought the hamburgers were so fresh, you have to actually shoot your own cow....

yeah that's it....

In Texas it is PERFECTLY legal to open carry a weapon. And has been for some time. In fact in the very area of the fast food store men have been doing it for months.

You don't get to decide how or when someone else exercises their legal rights.You don't get to prevent them from doing so nor do you get to claim they broke laws when they did not. You don't get to claim they did anything wrong either as they did not.

In point of fact the cops were stupidly summoned and AGREED the men had done nothing illegal. Go figure.

We are saying it should not be legal, not that it is not legal. Try to keep up.

You also think it should be illegal to say bad things about politicians so you can understand if we really don't care about what you think should be illegal.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Much ado about nothing.

In an Open-Carry jurisdiction, this should be a common sight.

---- in a restaurant?

What would you need a gun in a restaurant for? In case a herd of buffalo stampede through? No, that doesn't make sense...

-- to slaughter game for your meal? No, that's already done...

-- to rob the place?

Aha.

Why not?

 

[srlip]

the dipshits were out to cause trouble of one sort or another. Why not just conceal a pistol, if defense is really your concern, instead of agitating people, hmm? I'd say that the more guys I saw with slung rifles, the less I''d worry about it, but it's stupid to just cause problems where none exist.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well except for the whole "it is perfectly legal" and of course has been for years. Further the protests have been going on for months.

Once again for the terminally stupid.... the sight of a firearm does not justify in and of itself calling the cops. The person that did is an idiot. Further the claim that employees hid in the freezer is denied. Further evidenced by the fact one of them posed with the weapon carriers.

Your ilk have been claiming for YEARS now that open carry would lead to wild west shoot outs and have repeated that claim in this thread. Yet it has not happened EVER. Not in ANY State with open carry. Get a new claim, this one is so tired and ignorant as to defy logic as to it being used.

Further as some of you have suggested others should shot on sight anyone carrying a weapon that is in fact illegal and ignorant. And in fact you not the 2nd Amendment rights people are making the claim. All with no evidence of a threat or reason for such a claim. The simple exsistance 0f A FIREARM IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE IS NOT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN LOGIC REASON FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE AND ANYONE stupid ENOUGH TO DO IT WILL GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL AND BE CHARGED WITH AN ACTUAL CRIME.

You knee jerk dumb asses are proof positive that you have no brains no common sense and even less intelligence to conduct a logical conversation.

These goons are NAZIs. They are not engaging in good faith conversation.

They are trying to troll and fuck up the thread so no one reads it.

What's your idea of a "good faith conversation", hmmf — calling everyone who doesn't look or think exactly like you a "Nazi"?

Hurling f-bombs like a 14-year-old kid who's trying to act tough?

You're a pussy, dude. A big, fat, pussy who's probably never been in a fistfight his entire life.

Another Putin wannabe worried about people using bad language.

Vladimir Putin signs ban on 'foul language' in films, books and performances - Telegraph

 

[RetiredGySgt]

if someone is walking around with a slung rifle, and it's on YOUR property, you certainly have the right to ask them to leave. If they DON'T leave, then it's criminal trespass and WILl get them locked up, until they can bond out, which probably won't take more than a day.

Now, you MIGHT also be able to make a charge stick for disturbing your peace, but I wouldn't count on it. Me, I'd just go ask them to leave, cause they are scaring my other customers and my employees. If they didn't immediately split the scene, they'd get to see my ccw draw and I'd make a citizen's arrest for criminal trespass. and if they even LOOKED like they were going to try somethign with those guns, I'd kill whichever of them was moving in the threatening manner, then swap the gun muzzle to the other, and if wasn't on his knees or fleeing, guess what?

Sorry but they have every legal right in an open carry State to well carry openly. That includes entering and using YOUR store. If you drew on them YOU not they would face charges. You not they would have to bond out, you not they would face criminal charges.

Once again for the terminally stupid, in an open carry State the mere sight of someone OPENLY carrying is neither grounds for nor justification to shoot them accost them or threaten them. Any such action on your part would be illegal.