Free birth control

[Conservative65]

good god you're dumb.

you want to complain about the cost of giving out contraception while ignoring the costs that unwanted pregnancies have on a state.

do you not understand how idiotic that is? you'd rather pay $5 later over $1 today because of the use of the word 'free?'

Unwanted pregnancies should costs the state absolutely nothing. If what a woman does with her body is her choice, when that choice produces a result she doesn't like, it's not the state's place to pay for it.

It's not $5 later or $1 today. If it's her choice the only one paying that $5 or $1 is her, not anyone else.

Why should anyone but the woman pay for the choices she said she makes with her body are only hers to make?

super. that's not reality, though.

so you can bitch and moan about what you think should be, and try to convince others that it's somehow in the interests of the state to leave kids hungry and without medical care

or you can do the same thing while paying for the food and medical care of fewer unwanted kids.

which option sounds better?

Options?

Option #1.

Your parents raised you.

You made a decision that you cannot financially obligate yourself.

You are stupid.

Your parents are stupid. They coddled you. Never expecting responsibility.

Your boyfriend busted his nut but you told him not to. You got pregnant. He has no job.

All is well. We can fuck and smoke dope. We don't have to work.

We complain to a progressive and get sympathy. It's free now.

You bitch and moan when I question why you are so fucking stupid.

You have a family. It is their problem.

That's the ONLY option. The one that created the situation by making choices or those that voluntarily want to pay are the ONLY ones that should be paying.

You will never get progressives to accept reality.

The sad part is they have no clue that by enabling people to be freeloaders and irresponsible they have no reason to ever change.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

"free"? LOL

Compared to the cost of another human over an entire lifetime, it's a great deal.

You generosity with other people's money is noble.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Cons on here sound so dumb when they point out the obvious. Yes, obviously this program is paid for through taxes.

For people with sense, it is a band aid and not a solution. Band aids are for cowards.

super. you feel it's not a solution.

so what is the solution?

Buy your own fucking birth control?

sigh. you really lack in the whole 'logical thinking' department.
clearly if that was the solution the facts in the op wouldn't exist.

So, people will only use it if someone else pays for it?

maybe. maybe they aren't in a position to pay for it themselves. whatever the reason, giving out birth control results in fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions and is a net gain for the state.

Whatever... not having babies is 100% doable. Some people just lack self control.

no shit.
so what do we do about it?

The "State?".

Sloth has become too convenient.

Bread lines and soup kitchens.

Get off of you ass.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

"free"? LOL

How many times do we have to point out to dumb as a brick liberals that this shit is not free.

You're the one being "dumb as a brick". People that support these programs know they are paid for by taxes. We also know that these preventative programs save considerable taxpayer money.


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So stop LYING its not free. Here's an idea keep your dick in your pants, your legs closed if you can't afford your own damn birth control. God its like being swarmed by blood sucking vampire bats having to pay for everyone's 'free' shit.

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

 

[ogibillm]

maybe. maybe they aren't in a position to pay for it themselves. whatever the reason, giving out birth control results in fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions and is a net gain for the state.
no shit.
so what do we do about it?

It definitely isn't give in. You got any kids? Lol

so you don't have the solution.

maybe until you do we can use an effective and inexpensive band-aid

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

You don't mind turning your back on the concept of personal responsibility when it comes to supporting the rest of us being forced for a choice we didn't make.

It's not my fault, either but you don't have a problem holding me and others responsible for something we didn't do. The kid is closer to the situation that I am. If the kids can't pay, since you think it's such a good idea, set the example and do it yourself. I don't owe those parents or the kids they have they can't afford a damn thing. That's not a philosophical debate. That's a fact you ignore.

How do you ever expect people to do what's right if you continue to pick up their slack when they don't take responsibility for their own actions. It doesn't mean, by default, that those of us that do take care of their own kids should take care of kids we didn't produce.

look i absolutely understand your viewpoint. but you aren't being a realist. we will not allow a child to go without food or healthcare just because the kid's parents are irresponsible trash. that's reality.

so if we can do something cheap and easy - like handing out birth control- to lower the number of kids aborted or born into homes that can't take care of them I'm going to look at that and decide that on the whole it's a good idea and a hell of a lot more likely to succeed than just wishing everyone not in a position to raise a child would be completely responsible

 

[Neotrotsky]

Free birth control
to lower number of Democratic voters
sounds great

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You know, in the military we got "free" (taxpayer provided) birth control in the form of a large bowl of condoms just outside of the Corpsman's office, which were free to anyone that wanted them, and you could take as many as you wanted. They also had a pretty good selection if you took the time to find the ones you preferred.

Why did the Navy do that? Because a condom is a lot cheaper than treating STD's.

BTW..................the Navy (as well as the rest of the military) will provide women with birth control as a part of their health benefits, as well as gives the mother AND the father maternity leave when the mother has a child.

I'm all for them serving in the military.

At least they we receive the basic instructions in life to accept responsibility..

 

[ogibillm]

How many times do we have to point out to dumb as a brick liberals that this shit is not free.

You're the one being "dumb as a brick". People that support these programs know they are paid for by taxes. We also know that these preventative programs save considerable taxpayer money.


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So stop LYING its not free. Here's an idea keep your dick in your pants, your legs closed if you can't afford your own damn birth control. God its like being swarmed by blood sucking vampire bats having to pay for everyone's 'free' shit.

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

 

[Yousaidwhat]

So, people will only use it if someone else pays for it?

maybe. maybe they aren't in a position to pay for it themselves. whatever the reason, giving out birth control results in fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions and is a net gain for the state.

Whatever... not having babies is 100% doable. Some people just lack self control.

no shit.
so what do we do about it?

It definitely isn't give in. You got any kids? Lol

so you don't have the solution.

maybe until you do we can use an effective and inexpensive band-aid

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

 

[ogibillm]

maybe. maybe they aren't in a position to pay for it themselves. whatever the reason, giving out birth control results in fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions and is a net gain for the state.
no shit.
so what do we do about it?

It definitely isn't give in. You got any kids? Lol

so you don't have the solution.

maybe until you do we can use an effective and inexpensive band-aid

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

sure is. and ideally every parent would take responsibility and work hard to provide their kid with all they need.

but that's not reality. the reality is the state picks up a lot of the tab

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You're the one being "dumb as a brick". People that support these programs know they are paid for by taxes. We also know that these preventative programs save considerable taxpayer money.


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So stop LYING its not free. Here's an idea keep your dick in your pants, your legs closed if you can't afford your own damn birth control. God its like being swarmed by blood sucking vampire bats having to pay for everyone's 'free' shit.

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

I would be for it too. At your expense.

 

[Fang]

http://www.bustle.com/articles/9528...riment-proves-the-whole-country-needs-free-bc

They did it in Colorado, seems it reduced abortions, reduced unwanted pregnancies, reduced healthcare spending etc.

"According to a study published in October 2014, unintended pregnancies dropped in the state by 40 percent from 2009-2013, and abortion fell by 42 percent over the same period."

"The program saved the state millions in public health coverage for unintended pregnancies, further proving the well-known fact that preventative care is cost-effective and sensible health policy."

Question, what did Republicans do to a program that saves money, reduces problems, and reduces abortion?

"Colorado Republicans succeeded in shooting it down, leaving the program in peril."

The question is, WHY???? Why would someone take something that WORKS on many levels and destroy it just so they can go around preaching their nonsense to others? They want to stop abortion, well this reduces abortion, but without abortion they've got nothing to get people hysterical about, so no one would vote for them if abortion isn't an issue.

Economics 101 - nothing is free.

You liberals need to understand what it means to be personally responsible. You pay for your own sex life. If I have to pay for it then I should be able to stick in in the Ho also if I want.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

It definitely isn't give in. You got any kids? Lol

so you don't have the solution.

maybe until you do we can use an effective and inexpensive band-aid

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

sure is. and ideally every parent would take responsibility and work hard to provide their kid with all they need.

but that's not reality. the reality is the state picks up a lot of the tab

Not reality?

When my first child came along I met reality. The State never picked up my tab.

 

[ogibillm]

So stop LYING its not free. Here's an idea keep your dick in your pants, your legs closed if you can't afford your own damn birth control. God its like being swarmed by blood sucking vampire bats having to pay for everyone's 'free' shit.

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

I would be for it too. At your expense.

you seem to be having a rough time with a simple concept.

the point of the op is a cheap and easy outlay now means years and years of savings.

that makes it the fiscally conservative choice.

 

[ogibillm]

so you don't have the solution.

maybe until you do we can use an effective and inexpensive band-aid

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

sure is. and ideally every parent would take responsibility and work hard to provide their kid with all they need.

but that's not reality. the reality is the state picks up a lot of the tab

Not reality?

When my first child came along I met reality. The State never picked up my tab.

super. you aren't everyone.

 

[Conservative65]

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

sure is. and ideally every parent would take responsibility and work hard to provide their kid with all they need.

but that's not reality. the reality is the state picks up a lot of the tab

Not reality?

When my first child came along I met reality. The State never picked up my tab.

super. you aren't everyone.

All I'm expecting to others to do is what I've done. I'm not asking them to do anything I haven't done.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

I would be for it too. At your expense.

you seem to be having a rough time with a simple concept.

the point of the op is a cheap and easy outlay now means years and years of savings.

that makes it the fiscally conservative choice.

I'm having a rough time with a simple concept? Your perception is questionable.

I'm all for your cheap and easy outlay. You pay for it.

 

[Conservative65]

you're right, it's not free.

but it clearly has a much lower cost than not giving out contraception.

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

I would be for it too. At your expense.

you seem to be having a rough time with a simple concept.

the point of the op is a cheap and easy outlay now means years and years of savings.

that makes it the fiscally conservative choice.

You ignore other options. It's not an either/or. It's a neither/nor.

The fiscally conservative choice is to expect those who made the choice to pay for the choice. Anything that involves one person told to butt out of the choice being forced to pay for it when the one making it won't isn't conservative or fiscally responsible.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

That is a solution. Quit offsetting the costs of those that continue to have or have kids they can't afford. Is your solution to enable them to keep doing what they're doing by providing them with funding to make choices for which they take no personal responsibility?

while an interesting philosophical debate it's not the world we live in.

we don't turn our backs on kids that through no fault of their own were born to parents either unwilling or unable to care for them.

They have parents. It is their responsibility.

sure is. and ideally every parent would take responsibility and work hard to provide their kid with all they need.

but that's not reality. the reality is the state picks up a lot of the tab

Not reality?

When my first child came along I met reality. The State never picked up my tab.

super. you aren't everyone.

Exactly. I'm all for taking care of your family.

Sign up for at least four years. I will then stand with you.

 

[Conservative65]

OR they can just control themselves hell why not just give out Heroin for free too.

Don't give them any ideas

hey if you could show me that giving out heroin would be a net gain for the community I'd be open to it

I would be for it too. At your expense.

you seem to be having a rough time with a simple concept.

the point of the op is a cheap and easy outlay now means years and years of savings.

that makes it the fiscally conservative choice.

I'm having a rough time with a simple concept? Your perception is questionable.

I'm all for your cheap and easy outlay. You pay for it.

That's another option. Either those making the choices or those voluntarily offsetting the costs is the best option if funding is provided.