Free speech is too dangerous to continue?

[jbander]

John Kerry says First Amendment is the enemy, as elites try to stamp out free speech (nypost.com)

I'm getting close to 80 years old. I don't remember anything in my early schooling about free speech being dangerous. I do recall that in the Former Soviet Union, East Germany, and Mao Tse Tung's China, free speech that criticized the status quo was criminalized and punished severely to discourage wayward thinking that might upset the power structure. The people who instructed me in say, about 1962 when the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, were all survivors of the Great Depression and World War 2. They seemed to go on ad nauseam about how important it was to think and speek freely. A steady drumbeat would leave their lips about how lucky we were to be living in a place where even speech that challenged the government was allowed. These were very different people from what is in control of my home city in New Hampshire today.

My city in New Hampshire has become a very liberal, very woke, place. Those in charge of publishing and editing the local newspaper, the academic rat's nest that leads the centrally located liberal arts college, and the little rodent that hosts the daily morning radio program are public relations for everything those Depression era survivors warned us about all those years ago. You can't say bad things about special people who are trying to do good! That's why free speech that exposes flaws is dangerous! Like the Soviets, East Germans, and the Mao's new China, these people are trying to build a better world! And saying things against it is not only treachery, it's an insurrection!

That's why Donald Trump has to be charged with crimes against the state! The state is good and it is trying to do good things for the people just like the Soviets, East Germans, and Mao's gangs were trying to do! We MAGA fools are apparently too ignorant to grasp the superior thinking taking place today that lays bare the lies we were told when Castro was aiming nuclear warheads at us! Those old teachers in our schools were telling us pack of lies when they told us to protect at all costs the free speech Donald Trump is using! They had to be lying because otherwise Donald Trump could say whatever he wanted and the people could make up their own minds if they wanted to listen! But just like the Soviets, East Germans, and Mao, the government is taking steps to shield us against Donald Trump's dangerous misuse of free speech! See? It's all for our own good!

You know, I have always been leery of people doing things for my own good. The city will go for Harris and walz there is no question about that. The rest of the state? There might be a faint glimmer of hope there.

Yup this is the world of fake Christians. Lets keep in mind that you can't call yourself a christian if you support a anti Christ. How much of a fake, they are supporting a rapist and convicted criminal a maniac that is a total liar , the most evil, cruel ,hate based ,monster this country has ever seen in America.

 

[progressive hunter]

People living in their own little delusional worlds where they only get information from social media that is filled with false information is dangerous to the country.

I'm not saying what the answer should be, but the problem with misinformation is clearly there.

We used to think that with enough speech, the truth will win out. That's just not the case in this day and age.

so you dont think people should be allowed to say things you disagree with??

 

[Dogmaphobe]

a anti Christ.

Your level of education sure shines through.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

so you dont think people should be allowed to say things you disagree with??

Today's uneducated leftists absolutely despise liberal values.

 

[Marener]

What an utterly disingenuous question.

You can't be THAT stupid, can you?

Given the dossier wasn’t revealed publicly until after the election, it would have been hard for it to influence the election.

Your incredulity is not an honest response.

 

[Marener]

I'll support government censoring speech when I am appointed the arbiter of what is acceptable. I can trust me to get it right. Deal?

we know how MAGA feels about speech.

Fox News Contributor Reposts Call to ‘Criminally Charge’ ABC Debate Moderators

Hemingway shared calls for ABC News to lose its broadcasting license and its two presidential debate moderators to be “criminally charged.”

www.mediaite.com

 

[Marener]

so you dont think people should be allowed to say things you disagree with??

Never said anything of the sort.

But I will identify a problem where I see it. I think it goes without saying that if a large part of the population lives in a delusional fantasy world, it can negatively affect the health and stability of the country.

 

[progressive hunter]

Never said anything of the sort.

But I will identify a problem where I see it. I think it goes without saying that if a large part of the population lives in a delusional fantasy world, it can negatively affect the health and stability of the country.

misinformation is something you disagree with isnt it??

 

[hadit]

we know how MAGA feels about speech.

Fox News Contributor Reposts Call to ‘Criminally Charge’ ABC Debate Moderators

Hemingway shared calls for ABC News to lose its broadcasting license and its two presidential debate moderators to be “criminally charged.”

www.mediaite.com

I'm not talking about them; I'm talking about me. I know I'd be awesome at it, so appoint me and I'll agree that I can censor speech that should not be heard. Otherwise, heck no, I don't want the government to have the power to censor speech, they'd get it wrong and censor the wrong stuff.

 

[Marener]

misinformation is something you disagree with isnt it??

misinformation

noun​

1. Untrue or incorrect information.
2. Information that is incorrect.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Given the dossier wasn’t revealed publicly until after the election, it would have been hard for it to influence the election.

Your incredulity is not an honest response.

It wasn't revealed as a HOAX until after the election.

 

[Marener]

I'm not talking about them; I'm talking about me. I know I'd be awesome at it, so appoint me and I'll agree that I can censor speech that should not be heard. Otherwise, heck no, I don't want the government to have the power to censor speech, they'd get it wrong and censor the wrong stuff.

Okay. Who is calling for censorship?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Given the dossier wasn’t revealed publicly until after the election, it would have been hard for it to influence the election.

Your incredulity is not an honest response.

Substitute Hunter's laptop for the Steele Dossier. Now, try and explain how that was not disinformation that affected the election in 2020.

 

[Marener]

It wasn't revealed as a HOAX until after the election.

Again, I’m asking how it could affect the election if people did not know about it until after the election?

 

[progressive hunter]

misinformation

noun​

1. Untrue or incorrect information.
2. Information that is incorrect.

so youre saying you should be silenced and not allowed to speak in public,,

 

[Billo_Really]

John Kerry says First Amendment is the enemy, as elites try to stamp out free speech (nypost.com)

I'm getting close to 80 years old. I don't remember anything in my early schooling about free speech being dangerous. I do recall that in the Former Soviet Union, East Germany, and Mao Tse Tung's China, free speech that criticized the status quo was criminalized and punished severely to discourage wayward thinking that might upset the power structure. The people who instructed me in say, about 1962 when the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, were all survivors of the Great Depression and World War 2. They seemed to go on ad nauseam about how important it was to think and speek freely. A steady drumbeat would leave their lips about how lucky we were to be living in a place where even speech that challenged the government was allowed. These were very different people from what is in control of my home city in New Hampshire today.

My city in New Hampshire has become a very liberal, very woke, place. Those in charge of publishing and editing the local newspaper, the academic rat's nest that leads the centrally located liberal arts college, and the little rodent that hosts the daily morning radio program are public relations for everything those Depression era survivors warned us about all those years ago. You can't say bad things about special people who are trying to do good! That's why free speech that exposes flaws is dangerous! Like the Soviets, East Germans, and the Mao's new China, these people are trying to build a better world! And saying things against it is not only treachery, it's an insurrection!

That's why Donald Trump has to be charged with crimes against the state! The state is good and it is trying to do good things for the people just like the Soviets, East Germans, and Mao's gangs were trying to do! We MAGA fools are apparently too ignorant to grasp the superior thinking taking place today that lays bare the lies we were told when Castro was aiming nuclear warheads at us! Those old teachers in our schools were telling us pack of lies when they told us to protect at all costs the free speech Donald Trump is using! They had to be lying because otherwise Donald Trump could say whatever he wanted and the people could make up their own minds if they wanted to listen! But just like the Soviets, East Germans, and Mao, the government is taking steps to shield us against Donald Trump's dangerous misuse of free speech! See? It's all for our own good!

You know, I have always been leery of people doing things for my own good. The city will go for Harris and walz there is no question about that. The rest of the state? There might be a faint glimmer of hope there.

You do not have free speech in the commission of a crime.

 

[hadit]

Okay. Who is calling for censorship?

Anyone who advocates that the government should take steps to prevent "misinformation" from getting out.

 

[progressive hunter]

Okay. Who is calling for censorship?

you are,,

 

[Marener]

Substitute Hunter's laptop for the Steele Dossier. Now, try and explain how that was not disinformation that affected the election in 2020.

Belief that the laptop could be Russian disinformation was a rational concern. The security officials who wrote the letter clearly indicated they did not know for sure but were highly suspicious.

 

[Marener]

Anyone who advocates that the government should take steps to prevent "misinformation" from getting out.

The only ones calling for censorship at MAGAs.