Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[BDBoop]

Keep doing what?

Who have I "punished for saying what they are thinking"? Who have I "intimidated into not saying what they are thinking"?

Be specific and cite it.

Yeah, A&E's suspension of Phil Robertson is my prime example. The IRS audition of many Tea Party groups in 2012, the raids of the AP offices, the "investigation" of James Rosen, the instances where people are called racist for disagreeing with the president are distinct others.

Citations? Check. Specificity? Check.

Audition? Interesting term in this case.

Right. You know. Spell check.

 

[Gadawg73]

What about A&E's rights to run their business as they see fit?

That dumb hick or southern rural retardedness has no rights to be on A&E.

A&E was completely within their rights as a network to terminate him.

The question is not whether it was legal. That was never the issue.

They never terminated him.
Now if one takes a good look at A & E they have a lot of blame in this also.
They KNEW what they were getting the first rehearsal for this show.
They KNEW what he was, what he believed in and what he stood for, FULLY.
But the facts are Phil Robertson is a wimp that caved in and does not stand up for what he believes in. He VOLUNTARILY has taken a back seat.
Has anyone heard from him? A & E has no power over his tongue.

 

[SwimExpert]

A&E has an absolute right to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on principle. They have a right to lose sponsors and the whole network to make GLAAD happy.

It's up to A&E to weigh how profitable one course or another will be. One thing that has recently occurred to me is that there are alot of liberals who typically enjoy watching this show. From the discussions I've had with people at times there seems to be alot of people who watch because they like laughing at the "ignorant" people show, or they like being exposed to a micro-culture that they're not familiar with, or they just want to see what these people are going to say next.

Point is that A&E probably has a good reason to be concerned that Robertson's comments might create sufficient ill will such that the company might experience a net loss if they don't admonish him.

 

[orogenicman]

your words: "The Civil Rights Act is government enforced tolerance and acceptance."

Agreed upon by the duly elected representatives of the people. Are you suggesting that Jim Crow and separate water fountains were good ideas?

of course not, why can't you lefties stay on topic. We are talking about government thought control and punishment for what you are thinking or what you believe.

Really? Because it was pretty clear that the government had nothing to do with the subject of the OP. Arguing here about alleged government control and punishment is off topic and misdirection.

 

[Redfish]

When the government overrules the will of the people, that is oppression of the majority.

Fishy believes Loving was "oppression of the majority"

The amazing thing about that graph is that it was still a 50/50 split in the 90's.

That's crazy to me but twenty years from now it will be the same way to people my age regarding homosexuality.

Interracial relationships was never really an issue amongst my generation like homosexuality isn't really much of an issue amongst our kids.

People believe what they believe. Why do you want the government to mandate what people are allowed to believe?

Yes, the culture is changing, why not just let in happen and keep the fricken government out of it?

 

[Luissa]

Afraid it is not







If he had kept his objections purely religious, there would be no story. Instead he had to get his bestiality comparison in and his distasteful anal sex analysis. There is also his tirade of a sermon in Pennsylvania that was released today. It is obvious the man hates gays







What were his religious reasons for endorsing Jim Crow?

Plus he implied black people aren't happy and are lazy now .





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He doesn't have to imply something everyone knows is true.

You guys are soooo the party of tolerance.


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[Article 15]

Agreed upon by the duly elected representatives of the people. Are you suggesting that Jim Crow and separate water fountains were good ideas?

of course not, why can't you lefties stay on topic. We are talking about government thought control and punishment for what you are thinking or what you believe.

Really? Because it was pretty clear that the government had nothing to do with the subject of the OP. Arguing here about alleged government control and punishment is off topic and misdirection.

Yup.

 

[Seawytch]

Thats what you don't get. Having religious beliefs and expressing them is not bigotry. Bigotry is punishing someone for expressing beliefs different from yours.

Robertson does not want to punish anyone, he will let God be the judge.

But bigots like you think that you have the RIGHT to punish anyone who dares disagree with your Godless, statist, socialistic view of life.

People used the bible to justify slavery, segregation and anti miscegenation laws. Were they bigots or not?

Sure they were, but not because they misquoted the Bible. Are you now trying to claim that the Bible and Christianity are bigoted?

They didn't misquote it, they interpreted it differently...just as some Christians are doing now with homosexuality when they interpret it to support anti gay bigotry. History will look no more kindly on them than they do on the racist bigots of yesteryear using the same bible.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Keep doing what?

Who have I "punished for saying what they are thinking"? Who have I "intimidated into not saying what they are thinking"?

Be specific and cite it.

Yeah, A&E's suspension of Phil Robertson is my prime example. The IRS audition of many Tea Party groups in 2012, the raids of the AP offices, the "investigation" of James Rosen, the instances where people are called racist for disagreeing with the president are distinct others.

Citations? Check. Specificity? Check.

Audition? Interesting term in this case.

Root word "audit", to audit or be audited, to perform audits or auditions on tax records. To perform an evaluation of a person, organization, system, process, enterprise, project or product. Plural: auditions, audits. Now, I didn't ask you for an grammar lesson.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Plus he implied black people aren't happy and are lazy now .





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He doesn't have to imply something everyone knows is true.

You guys are soooo the party of tolerance.


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And what of you?

 

[Seawytch]

Fishy believes Loving was "oppression of the majority"

The amazing thing about that graph is that it was still a 50/50 split in the 90's.

That's crazy to me but twenty years from now it will be the same way to people my age regarding homosexuality.

Interracial relationships was never really an issue amongst my generation like homosexuality isn't really much of an issue amongst our kids.

People believe what they believe. Why do you want the government to mandate what people are allowed to believe?

Yes, the culture is changing, why not just let in happen and keep the fricken government out of it?

Where are they "in it"?

 

[orogenicman]

A&E has an absolute right to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on principle. They have a right to lose sponsors and the whole network to make GLAAD happy.

It's up to A&E to weigh how profitable one course or another will be. One thing that has recently occurred to me is that there are alot of liberals who typically enjoy watching this show. From the discussions I've had with people at times there seems to be alot of people who watch because they like laughing at the "ignorant" people show, or they like being exposed to a micro-culture that they're not familiar with, or they just want to see what these people are going to say next.

Point is that A&E probably has a good reason to be concerned that Robertson's comments might create sufficient ill will such that the company might experience a net loss if they don't admonish him.

Money can't buy respect. A & E did the right thing. And I believe that mainstream America knows that, just as they knew it when NBC got rid of Alec Baldwin for the same reason.

 

[Redfish]

What about A&E's rights to run their business as they see fit?

That dumb hick or southern rural retardedness has no rights to be on A&E.

A&E was completely within their rights as a network to terminate him.

The question is not whether it was legal. That was never the issue.

They never terminated him.
Now if one takes a good look at A & E they have a lot of blame in this also.
They KNEW what they were getting the first rehearsal for this show.
They KNEW what he was, what he believed in and what he stood for, FULLY.
But the facts are Phil Robertson is a wimp that caved in and does not stand up for what he believes in. He VOLUNTARILY has taken a back seat.
Has anyone heard from him? A & E has no power over his tongue.

Of course I don't know the guy, but I do know people like him. I suspect that he has just taken the position----------I don't give a crap about this, I am secure in my beliefs and my way of life. Let the fools rant and rave, I will shoot ducks and count my money.

 

[Redfish]

No, I don't. What a ridiculous thing to say.

your words: "The Civil Rights Act is government enforced tolerance and acceptance."

Point taken. The Civil Rights Act isn't government enforced tolerance and acceptance in the sense that it will compel you to "feel" or "believe" something.

true, but there are those who would like it to be.

 

[Article 15]

Fishy believes Loving was "oppression of the majority"

The amazing thing about that graph is that it was still a 50/50 split in the 90's.

That's crazy to me but twenty years from now it will be the same way to people my age regarding homosexuality.

Interracial relationships was never really an issue amongst my generation like homosexuality isn't really much of an issue amongst our kids.

People believe what they believe. Why do you want the government to mandate what people are allowed to believe?

Yes, the culture is changing, why not just let in happen and keep the fricken government out of it?

This has already been cleared up.

I don't want the government to "mandate" what people are allowed to believe. Anyone can believe whatever they want.

The government, however, plays a role as culture changes when it passes legislation like the Civil Rights Act which supplements the cultural change in the country. You are seeing it right now as more and more States are passing legislation that allows gay marriage.

 

[TemplarKormac]

LOL...

I love how I'm being avoided now. Wonderful.

 

[Redfish]

The amazing thing about that graph is that it was still a 50/50 split in the 90's.

That's crazy to me but twenty years from now it will be the same way to people my age regarding homosexuality.

Interracial relationships was never really an issue amongst my generation like homosexuality isn't really much of an issue amongst our kids.

People believe what they believe. Why do you want the government to mandate what people are allowed to believe?

Yes, the culture is changing, why not just let in happen and keep the fricken government out of it?

Where are they "in it"?

OMG, what planet are you on, wytchey?

 

[TemplarKormac]

What about A&E's rights to run their business as they see fit?

That dumb hick or southern rural retardedness has no rights to be on A&E.

A&E was completely within their rights as a network to terminate him.

The question is not whether it was legal. That was never the issue.

They never terminated him.
Now if one takes a good look at A & E they have a lot of blame in this also.
They KNEW what they were getting the first rehearsal for this show.
They KNEW what he was, what he believed in and what he stood for, FULLY.
But the facts are Phil Robertson is a wimp that caved in and does not stand up for what he believes in. He VOLUNTARILY has taken a back seat.
Has anyone heard from him? A & E has no power over his tongue.

It is wiser to take back seat and let others make foolish spectacles of themselves. He isn't being a wimp, he's being smart.

 

[orogenicman]

Don't take it personally. There are a lot of posts coming very fast. hard to keep up.

 

[Redfish]

The amazing thing about that graph is that it was still a 50/50 split in the 90's.

That's crazy to me but twenty years from now it will be the same way to people my age regarding homosexuality.

Interracial relationships was never really an issue amongst my generation like homosexuality isn't really much of an issue amongst our kids.

People believe what they believe. Why do you want the government to mandate what people are allowed to believe?

Yes, the culture is changing, why not just let in happen and keep the fricken government out of it?

This has already been cleared up.

I don't want the government to "mandate" what people are allowed to believe. Anyone can believe whatever they want.

The government, however, plays a role as culture changes when it passes legislation like the Civil Rights Act which supplements the cultural change in the country. You are seeing it right now as more and more States are passing legislation that allows gay marriage.

uhhh, right, the PEOPLE of California voted against it twice, but the govt overruled them------correction, one judge overruled them.