George Zimmerman visits Kel-Tec gun factory

[eflatminor]

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US 4.8
UK 1.2
Sweden 1.0
Norway 0.6
France 1.1
Germany 0.8

We all see right through your bullshit. That is NOT the list of countries by intentional homicide rate. That is a few of the countries on that list.

If you look at the entire list you'll see that America does not rank in the top 100 countries by intentional homicide rate...despite all those "evil" firearms.

The truth doesn't help your agenda, we get it.

Geez, could you be more disingenuous?

Shall we look at the overall violent crime rates, where the UK beats the US? Naw, that wouldn't help your agenda either.

Tool.

 

[skookerasbil]

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US 4.8
UK 1.2
Sweden 1.0
Norway 0.6
France 1.1
Germany 0.8

We all see right through your bullshit. That is NOT the list of countries by intentional homicide rate. That is a few of the countries on that list.

If you look at the entire list you'll see that America does not rank in the top 100 countries by intentional homicide rate...despite all those "evil" firearms.

The truth doesn't help your agenda, we get it.

Geez, could you be more disingenuous?

Shall we look at the overall violent crime rates, where the UK beats the US? Naw, that wouldn't help your agenda either.

Tool.

progressives always manipulate the data in hopes the person is too stupid to check out the facts. They are experts at it.

 

[Snookie]

Zimmerman's lawyer is begging the state for money. He claims Zimmerman has not paid him any yet. What a stiff. How can Zimmerman afford expensive shotguns?

 

[eflatminor]

Zimmerman's lawyer is begging the state for money. He claims Zimmerman has not paid him any yet. What a stiff. How can Zimmerman afford expensive shotguns?

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Zimmerman's lawyers are not charging him for their services. The money being demanded from the state that falsely prosecuted him is for the expert witnesses.

You couldn't really be this stupid.

I smell a troll.

 

[JoeB131]

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Keep dodging the fact that you support rapists, and thier ability to rape unmolested by the fear of being shot.

JoeB likes teh rapey rape.

And keep counting only the cases that resulted in self defense homicde, not the countless cases where it prevented a crime, or the overall deterrent the fact that someone might be armed has on overall crime.

Joe B likes teh rapey rape.

The fact is, a gun don't stop rapes.

The rapist is 80% likely to be a person the victim knows.

Did know a lady who kept a gun to protect herself from rapists.

The cops pried it out of her son's cold dead hands after he shot himself with it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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Keep dodging the fact that you support rapists, and thier ability to rape unmolested by the fear of being shot.

JoeB likes teh rapey rape.

And keep counting only the cases that resulted in self defense homicde, not the countless cases where it prevented a crime, or the overall deterrent the fact that someone might be armed has on overall crime.

Joe B likes teh rapey rape.

The fact is, a gun don't stop rapes.

The rapist is 80% likely to be a person the victim knows.

Did know a lady who kept a gun to protect herself from rapists.

The cops pried it out of her son's cold dead hands after he shot himself with it.

He probably had to listen to you for more than 5 minutes

 

[Gadawg73]

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Keep dodging the fact that you support rapists, and thier ability to rape unmolested by the fear of being shot.

JoeB likes teh rapey rape.

And keep counting only the cases that resulted in self defense homicde, not the countless cases where it prevented a crime, or the overall deterrent the fact that someone might be armed has on overall crime.

Joe B likes teh rapey rape.

The fact is, a gun don't stop rapes.

The rapist is 80% likely to be a person the victim knows.

Did know a lady who kept a gun to protect herself from rapists.

The cops pried it out of her son's cold dead hands after he shot himself with it.

Yeah, right.
I knew a lady that went to buy a Lady Smith & Wesson 38 after I trained her on the range.
Her ex was showing up at her work, her residence and everywhere she went.
She went and attempted to buy the weapon and had to wait 3 days to get it after she paid for it and filled out the paperwork.
2 days later her ex attacked her, gouged one of her eyes out and chopped off her left ring finger. He was attempting to slit her throat when a college kid riding his bike passing by tackled him.
One of half a dozen stories I have on the 3 day waiting period with guns and women.
One of them is at Sandy Springs Cemetery on Mt. Vernon Rd., in Atlanta, dead at age 38.

 

[Gadawg73]

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Keep dodging the fact that you support rapists, and thier ability to rape unmolested by the fear of being shot.

JoeB likes teh rapey rape.

And keep counting only the cases that resulted in self defense homicde, not the countless cases where it prevented a crime, or the overall deterrent the fact that someone might be armed has on overall crime.

Joe B likes teh rapey rape.

The fact is, a gun don't stop rapes.

The rapist is 80% likely to be a person the victim knows.

Did know a lady who kept a gun to protect herself from rapists.

The cops pried it out of her son's cold dead hands after he shot himself with it.

And the correct word is doesn't, not don't.

 

[Gadawg73]

Zimmerman's lawyer is begging the state for money. He claims Zimmerman has not paid him any yet. What a stiff. How can Zimmerman afford expensive shotguns?

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Zimmerman's lawyers are not charging him for their services. The money being demanded from the state that falsely prosecuted him is for the expert witnesses.

You couldn't really be this stupid.

I smell a troll.

She is that stupid but my $$ is she probably looks good.
Former defensive ends can spot them a mile away, well at least 300 yards away!

 

[Gadawg73]

Zimmerman is getting ready to sue the state of Florida for bringing the charges when they knew the charges were groundless, and for the mural showing thug trayvon martin being shot in the back.

Mural of George Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin Unveiled in Florida State Capitol | Video | TheBlaze.com

He should get MILLIONS and the mural removed.

That case will go no where, sovereign immunity.

People sue states every day, and they sue the federal government too. Politically correct fraud is still fraud.

Sure they do and they lose every one of them like this.

 

[JoeB131]

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Keep dodging the fact that you support rapists, and thier ability to rape unmolested by the fear of being shot.

JoeB likes teh rapey rape.

And keep counting only the cases that resulted in self defense homicde, not the countless cases where it prevented a crime, or the overall deterrent the fact that someone might be armed has on overall crime.

Joe B likes teh rapey rape.

The fact is, a gun don't stop rapes.

The rapist is 80% likely to be a person the victim knows.

Did know a lady who kept a gun to protect herself from rapists.

The cops pried it out of her son's cold dead hands after he shot himself with it.

He probably had to listen to you for more than 5 minutes

Never met her son personally. Knew her after this happened, her marriage fell apart, and her family was ruined.

but the gun industry made a profit, and that was the important thing.

 

[skookerasbil]

Watch a gun grabber nut get pwned.........this is classic >>>>>

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNb34vPqrN0#at=257]Debating A Gun Control Fanatic - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Gadawg73]

Dude jumped off of a building last week in Atlanta.
We need a 3 day waiting period on buildings.
Office buildings can wait 3 days.

 

[skookerasbil]

Like I said.....more guns = less crime

So says Harvard University( Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy ) in April of THIS YEAR!!!!


COMM’N ON CRIME
PREVENTION & CRIM. JUSTICE, U.N. ECON. & SOC. COUNCIL, UNITED NATIONS
INTERNATIONAL STUDY ON FIREARMS REGULATION 26, tbl. 2‐1


Nation Murder Rate Rate of Gun Ownership

Russia 20.54 [2002] 4,000
Luxembourg 9.01 [2002] c. 0
Hungary 2.22 [2003] 2,000
Finland 1.98 [2004] 39,000
Sweden 1.87 [2001] 24,000
Poland 1.79 [2003] 1,500
France 1.65 [2003] 30,000
Denmark 1.21 [2003] 19,000
Greece 1.12 [2003] 11,000
Switzerland 0.99 [2003] 16,000
Germany 0.93 [2003] 30,000
Norway 0.81 [2001] 36,000
Austria 0.80 [2002] 17,000


http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf





And as the researchers at Harvard point out.........the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[skookerasbil]

Dang......JoeB hates when my ass shows up in one of his gay gun grabber threads!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Old Rocks]

OK. So a person stalks someone, without reason, and then shoots him dead after being told to stand down. And then you brand the person that was stalked as the 'attempted murderer'.

Zimmermann is a murderer. And that you wingnuts are making a hero of him just shows how far over the line your mentality has gone.

Once again, a liberal twisting the facts to suit the liberal narrative. Let me take this apart, one lie at a time.

Lie #1 : "Stalked someone..." Factually incorrect, and use of a loaded word to imply malicious /criminal intent where there was none. Zimmerman did NOT "stalk" Martin, he simply followed him without any intent to apprehend or make contact, but merely to report his location to law enforcement. Proof-Zimmerman's conversation (recorded) with the police dispatcher with whom he was in contact.

Lie # 2 "Without reason..." Factually incorrect. Darkness had fallen, and Martin's attempts to get his bearings in a somewhat unfamiliar location would have looked to a casual observer like possibly "casing" the area for a possible break-in. Police stop and question subjects for similar activity every day. Most often, there is an innocent explanation, sometimes, there is not. The operative word is "reasonable suspicion"; it was there, and enough grounds for a citizen observer to "report and observe", which Zimmerman did.

Lie # 3 "Told to stand down" Factually incorrect, and another loaded use of words to imply defiance of lawful authority. Actual words, Dispatcher to Zimmerman, "We don't need you to do that..." Dispatcher was NOT, by his own testimony, giving an order, directive, or advice, but merely making a comment. The fact that this comment had NO legal force has been repeatedly explicated, here and elsewhere, including at trial. In any case, well before the fight occurred, Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Martin was no longer in sight and he was retuning to his vehicle; At no time did Zimmerman indicate any intent or attempt to apprehend or confront Martin; instead, he attempted merely to ascertain and report his location.

Lie # 3 The BIG LIE Martin's deliberate attack on Zimmerman conveniently overlooked. Lie by omission, factually incorrect. Proof: timeline, according to the 911 dispatch tapes, eyewitness testimony, and forensic evidence. The dispatch record provides a timeline with one inescapable fact: the time between Zimmerman telling the dispatcher he could not regain visual contact with Martin, and the time the fight occurred. We don't know where Martin went, but we do know that had he continued from where he was last seen to Brandy Green's apartment, he would have arrived well before the time of the altercation. The timeline, and location of the altercation ARE NOT consistent with any theory that Zimmerman somehow caught up to Martin and "cornered him"; but are TOTALLY consistent with the theory that Martin either waited in ambush, or doubled back to confront Zimmerman. The forensic evidence, including presence/absence of marks on hands or elsewhere, on both parties, along with eyewitness testimony, clearly indicate that it was Martin, not Zimmerman, who threw one or more punches. This is lent additional credence by the racial slur Martin used in talking with his girlfriend, (recalled by her at trial) moments before the fight started-indicates his state of mind. IT WAS MARTIN, NOT ZIMMERMAN, WHO WAS FIRST TO COMMIT A CRIMINAL ACT HERE, and that's what the evidence says, not mere supposition.

Lie # 4 "you brand the person who was stalked as an attempted murderer..." Factually incorrect, and irrelevant, in any case. We do not know with certainty, what Martin's intent was; we DO know what he did. He assaulted Zimmerman, and continued to assault him, after Zimmerman was down and not effectively fighting back. We know that much, from the testimony of available witnesses, and from the forensic evidence, and that fact,combined with Martin initiating use of physical force, meets the requirements for using lethal force in self defense. It does not matter if Martin intended to merely injure Zimmerman, or actually kill him.

Lie # 5 "Zimmerman is a murderer, and a child killer" Factually and legally incorrect, on two counts. First, Martin was NOT a child; he was 17, and by law, if he had killed or seriously injured Zimmerman, would have been tried, and if convicted, sentenced, as an adult. NOT a juvenile. He committed an adult crime (felonious assault or equivalent), and was shot in self-defense by his victim. Second, a jury in a duly constituted court of law, NOT a lynch mob in the streets or in the press, tried the case, and found Zimmerman "NOT GUILTY" of murder, or anything else. It is therefore a lie to call him a "murderer" when the law says otherwise. Then again your side is inordinately fond of that canard, and has been for over forty years; it's getting worn out from overuse, and you need to find a new schtick.

That makes FIVE lies, and one true statement: Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. Your emotional reaction to that cannot overcome the obvious-neither the facts nor the law fit what you so desperately want to believe happened, or produce the outcome you desire, and all the lying, demagoguery, and hand-wrining in the world in the world won't change that.

You know, if I were as politically self-interested as you, I would have actually hoped that the mobs the media whipped up in the streets, and you liberals gleefully cheered on from the sidelines, succeeded in lynching Zimmerman; that would have done more damage to your cause in the long run than we ever could. I guess I'm a little too interested in justice and the rule of law to wish for that. However, while Zimmerman isn't a hero, you people have managed to make him a martyr of sorts and a symbol of your worst excesses and worst instincts, one more reason to despise a sensationalist media we distrust, a symbol of racist race pimps and PC run amok, and one more reason to distrust an increasingly racist administration. You've also set race relations in this country back about 40 years. I suppose congratulations are in order.

There are only two people that know what went down that night. And Martin is dead. We have only the word of Zimmermann for what happened. Zimmermann may well have had the gun already out, and threatoned Marting with it, and the struggle was for possesion of the gun. You see, the only witnesses saw the fight at just the conclusion. They did not see Martin attack Zimmermann, or Zimmermann attack Martin.

Zimmermann was told to stand down. He did not, he had a gun, a 17 year old kid is dead, and you assholes make a hero out of a sniveling coward.

 

[Old Rocks]

Dude jumped off of a building last week in Atlanta.
We need a 3 day waiting period on buildings.
Office buildings can wait 3 days.

Woman walked into a gun store here in Portland, Oregon, and wanted to buy a gun and have the clerk load it for her. The clerk refused, she went to a couple more gun stores until she found a clerk that would do that. Took the loaded gun home and shot herself. A three day waiting period might have given her time to rethink what she was about to do.

Now I have not bought that many guns, most were barter or given to me, but when I did buy a gun, a three day waiting period would not have made a bit of differance to me.

 

[The Gadfly]

OK. So a person stalks someone, without reason, and then shoots him dead after being told to stand down. And then you brand the person that was stalked as the 'attempted murderer'.

Zimmermann is a murderer. And that you wingnuts are making a hero of him just shows how far over the line your mentality has gone.

Once again, a liberal twisting the facts to suit the liberal narrative. Let me take this apart, one lie at a time.

Lie #1 : "Stalked someone..." Factually incorrect, and use of a loaded word to imply malicious /criminal intent where there was none. Zimmerman did NOT "stalk" Martin, he simply followed him without any intent to apprehend or make contact, but merely to report his location to law enforcement. Proof-Zimmerman's conversation (recorded) with the police dispatcher with whom he was in contact.

Lie # 2 "Without reason..." Factually incorrect. Darkness had fallen, and Martin's attempts to get his bearings in a somewhat unfamiliar location would have looked to a casual observer like possibly "casing" the area for a possible break-in. Police stop and question subjects for similar activity every day. Most often, there is an innocent explanation, sometimes, there is not. The operative word is "reasonable suspicion"; it was there, and enough grounds for a citizen observer to "report and observe", which Zimmerman did.

Lie # 3 "Told to stand down" Factually incorrect, and another loaded use of words to imply defiance of lawful authority. Actual words, Dispatcher to Zimmerman, "We don't need you to do that..." Dispatcher was NOT, by his own testimony, giving an order, directive, or advice, but merely making a comment. The fact that this comment had NO legal force has been repeatedly explicated, here and elsewhere, including at trial. In any case, well before the fight occurred, Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Martin was no longer in sight and he was retuning to his vehicle; At no time did Zimmerman indicate any intent or attempt to apprehend or confront Martin; instead, he attempted merely to ascertain and report his location.

Lie # 3 The BIG LIE Martin's deliberate attack on Zimmerman conveniently overlooked. Lie by omission, factually incorrect. Proof: timeline, according to the 911 dispatch tapes, eyewitness testimony, and forensic evidence. The dispatch record provides a timeline with one inescapable fact: the time between Zimmerman telling the dispatcher he could not regain visual contact with Martin, and the time the fight occurred. We don't know where Martin went, but we do know that had he continued from where he was last seen to Brandy Green's apartment, he would have arrived well before the time of the altercation. The timeline, and location of the altercation ARE NOT consistent with any theory that Zimmerman somehow caught up to Martin and "cornered him"; but are TOTALLY consistent with the theory that Martin either waited in ambush, or doubled back to confront Zimmerman. The forensic evidence, including presence/absence of marks on hands or elsewhere, on both parties, along with eyewitness testimony, clearly indicate that it was Martin, not Zimmerman, who threw one or more punches. This is lent additional credence by the racial slur Martin used in talking with his girlfriend, (recalled by her at trial) moments before the fight started-indicates his state of mind. IT WAS MARTIN, NOT ZIMMERMAN, WHO WAS FIRST TO COMMIT A CRIMINAL ACT HERE, and that's what the evidence says, not mere supposition.

Lie # 4 "you brand the person who was stalked as an attempted murderer..." Factually incorrect, and irrelevant, in any case. We do not know with certainty, what Martin's intent was; we DO know what he did. He assaulted Zimmerman, and continued to assault him, after Zimmerman was down and not effectively fighting back. We know that much, from the testimony of available witnesses, and from the forensic evidence, and that fact,combined with Martin initiating use of physical force, meets the requirements for using lethal force in self defense. It does not matter if Martin intended to merely injure Zimmerman, or actually kill him.

Lie # 5 "Zimmerman is a murderer, and a child killer" Factually and legally incorrect, on two counts. First, Martin was NOT a child; he was 17, and by law, if he had killed or seriously injured Zimmerman, would have been tried, and if convicted, sentenced, as an adult. NOT a juvenile. He committed an adult crime (felonious assault or equivalent), and was shot in self-defense by his victim. Second, a jury in a duly constituted court of law, NOT a lynch mob in the streets or in the press, tried the case, and found Zimmerman "NOT GUILTY" of murder, or anything else. It is therefore a lie to call him a "murderer" when the law says otherwise. Then again your side is inordinately fond of that canard, and has been for over forty years; it's getting worn out from overuse, and you need to find a new schtick.

That makes FIVE lies, and one true statement: Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. Your emotional reaction to that cannot overcome the obvious-neither the facts nor the law fit what you so desperately want to believe happened, or produce the outcome you desire, and all the lying, demagoguery, and hand-wrining in the world in the world won't change that.

You know, if I were as politically self-interested as you, I would have actually hoped that the mobs the media whipped up in the streets, and you liberals gleefully cheered on from the sidelines, succeeded in lynching Zimmerman; that would have done more damage to your cause in the long run than we ever could. I guess I'm a little too interested in justice and the rule of law to wish for that. However, while Zimmerman isn't a hero, you people have managed to make him a martyr of sorts and a symbol of your worst excesses and worst instincts, one more reason to despise a sensationalist media we distrust, a symbol of racist race pimps and PC run amok, and one more reason to distrust an increasingly racist administration. You've also set race relations in this country back about 40 years. I suppose congratulations are in order.

There are only two people that know what went down that night. And Martin is dead. We have only the word of Zimmermann for what happened. Zimmermann may well have had the gun already out, and threatoned Marting with it, and the struggle was for possesion of the gun. You see, the only witnesses saw the fight at just the conclusion. They did not see Martin attack Zimmermann, or Zimmermann attack Martin.

Zimmermann was told to stand down. He did not, he had a gun, a 17 year old kid is dead, and you assholes make a hero out of a sniveling coward.

We have Zimmerman's word, CORROBORATED BY EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY AND ALL THE AVAILABLE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ,and we have a timeline that supports his story. That timeline, incidentally, does NOT fit your last little narrative, which is not even a good try:Let's see, you're claiming that Zimmerman had the gun out, , but Martin jumped him anyway, yet Zimmerman waited until Martin was beating the crap out of him, before shooting? Please! Next, you'll try to tell us that Zimmerman chased down Martin, shot him, then dragged the body back to the supposed scene of the fight, inflicted his own injuries, and put a cut on Martin's knuckles, THEN made it look like Martin's lifeless corpse was beating him? I wouldn't be surprised; insane though it is, that's no more contorted than the other theories your side keeps putting out, because those damn facts we keep talking about get in the way of what you have a desperate emotional need to believe. I also noticed you repeated the "told to stand down" lie, AFTER Gadawg and I debunked it yet again.. I would say shame on you for lying, but hell, you're a liberal, and wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass, so I'll let that go. You people lie, even when the truth would serve you as well or better, but, it's just your nature. In this instance though, it will do you no good, because the law and the facts have handed you your collective ass on a platter, and you're left to keep spewing falsehoods, insisting that it just HAD to have happened the way you imagine, because, ...well, because it just HAD to, that's why... Those damn pesky facts and evidence just ruined your narrative, spoiled your little lynching party, and ...and..."it's not fair, it's just ...not fair! Waaaaah!"

Do keep blubbering, because the spectacle of liberals contorting themselves into a pretzel, managing to put their own foot up their own ass while desperately trying to put it up Zimmerman's, and then weeping, wailing and gnashing their teeth over the resulting aggravation of their hemorrhoids, is proving me with considerable amusement.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, look Spambots back.