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It shows his intent to "get" Martin after the police told him they didn't need Zimmerman following. Coupled with his statement to the effect that "these assholes always get away."This is the biggest tell that Zimmerman went looking for trouble. Otherwise, there would be no question as to where he was....he would have been sitting in his vehicle waiting for the police.The dispatcher asks him if he wants to meet the police at the mailboxes,[Note 3, 4th picture] and he at first agrees but then says, "Actually, could you have him call me, and I'll tell him where I'm at?"
How does watching where Martin was going equate to looking for trouble?
It shows his intent to "get" Martin after the police told him they didn't need Zimmerman following. Coupled with his statement to the effect that "these assholes always get away."This is the biggest tell that Zimmerman went looking for trouble. Otherwise, there would be no question as to where he was....he would have been sitting in his vehicle waiting for the police.
How does watching where Martin was going equate to looking for trouble?
Zimmerman wasn't going to let Martin get away even though Martin had done nothing wrong.
You know this how? Oh you dont your just speculating and making shit up like usually. I ask again why are you making shit up to defend a violent racist bully who murdered a kid?So amidst all the vitriol and wingnutski KGB rants, I don't see too much retro-analysis, of SPD dispatch instruction, to Watch-Captain Zimmerman: "We don't need you to do that."
It seems George is not what the dispatcher was prepared to wrangle, since he went out of his car, with his gun, looking to use it, which he did, killing Martin with a single shot, rather than wound or warn Martin. When Captain George went out of his car, the dispatcher had to take action, right then, no matter what other calls were going on, to say something.
That the dispatcher had to say anything at all under the circumstances is significant; George was a loose cannon, but instead of getting back in his car, to drive to meet police, he went after Martin, on foot, to approach him. Zimmerman intended to use the gun, however he could, he shot to kill, and that is murder-2.
The Feds are watching THAT, the NSA watches THIS FORUM and all like it, and you can use your own judgment, as to what a hate crime actually is, but I can see, how those get going, from reading all the circular-logic with vitriol, from wingnuts, which is supposed to get Zimmerman off, somehow. The Feds watch, and wait, for now. Let's see what happens.
As for the NSA, we don't need THEM to do us, but hey. They have a new house going up, in Bluffdale, Utah, capable of housing terabytes, plus. They are THE Bad Co., four times bigger, than the CIA. They can hook up with corporations, or other agencies, whatever they want. Unlike Zimmerman, they do crime, and never mind the time. I wonder what Feds make of all this.
With all due respect, Bob...you're clueless when it comes to the Zimmerman/Martin killing. At the time the fight took place, Zimmerman was walking back to his SUV to meet the police.
He gave us a piece of his "head" when he said "these assholes always get away" and "fucking punks."It shows his intent to "get" Martin after the police told him they didn't need Zimmerman following. Coupled with his statement to the effect that "these assholes always get away."How does watching where Martin was going equate to looking for trouble?
Zimmerman wasn't going to let Martin get away even though Martin had done nothing wrong.
I think it shows his intent to keep track of Martin despite the advice given by a dispatcher who has no legal authority. I also agree with his sentiment that merely dialing 911 and letting the police handle it from there hasn't worked in the past. I'm not sure what I would have done and I don't know what happened beyond the limited facts that have come out, but I have followed people in my neighborhood.
You have no idea of Zimmerman's intentions. You were not in his head.
Is that why the lead homicide detective wanted to charge him with manslaughter?...
To be quite blunt...I find no holes in George Zimmerman's account of what took place that night. The time line fits his story...the schematic of the complex fits his story...the injuries to him and Trayvon Martin fit his story...and the story that he told has remained consistent despite giving the initial testimony after being beaten rather badly and having to repeat that testimony to both State Police and Federal agents. Liars tend to slip up when they're forced to tell the same lie over and over. Zimmerman's testimony remains the same. Why? Probably because he's telling the truth.
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Just because you ignore witness and evidence doesn't meant he rest of us are clueless like yourselfNobody knows exactly what happened that night except for Zimmerman and Martin..
Really? Him saying he was on concrete when he was really on grass isn't a hole?What I've done is examine what George Zimmerman SAID happened and then compared that testimony to the time line on the phone call and the different locations of his SUV, the back gate and Brandy Green's townhouse. The rest is simply asking what is plausible and what is not. To be quite blunt...I find no holes in George Zimmerman's account of what took place that night.
Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
Just because you ignore witness and evidence doesn't meant he rest of us are clueless like yourselfNobody knows exactly what happened that night except for Zimmerman and Martin..
Really? Him saying he was on concrete when he was really on grass isn't a hole?What I've done is examine what George Zimmerman SAID happened and then compared that testimony to the time line on the phone call and the different locations of his SUV, the back gate and Brandy Green's townhouse. The rest is simply asking what is plausible and what is not. To be quite blunt...I find no holes in George Zimmerman's account of what took place that night.
Really him telling the cops that the age of Martin was somehwere in his late teens and then later saying he had no clue what the guys age was isnt a hole?
Perhaps you should look for holes before you tell us there are non. Liar.
So coem back when you are reality to face reality instead of defend a violent racist bully whose been charged with assault before who just stalked and killed a kid
That information came from the evidence document dump, not MSNBC or "Huffo".Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
You might want to look in other sources than MSNBC and Huffo. There were more injuries, but some of the media doesn't know what the term integrity actually means. Like when MSNBC spliced and diced the 911 tape.
Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
It's not an either / or.Just because you ignore witness and evidence doesn't meant he rest of us are clueless like yourselfNobody knows exactly what happened that night except for Zimmerman and Martin..
Really? Him saying he was on concrete when he was really on grass isn't a hole?What I've done is examine what George Zimmerman SAID happened and then compared that testimony to the time line on the phone call and the different locations of his SUV, the back gate and Brandy Green's townhouse. The rest is simply asking what is plausible and what is not. To be quite blunt...I find no holes in George Zimmerman's account of what took place that night.
Really him telling the cops that the age of Martin was somehwere in his late teens and then later saying he had no clue what the guys age was isnt a hole?
Perhaps you should look for holes before you tell us there are non. Liar.
So coem back when you are reality to face reality instead of defend a violent racist bully whose been charged with assault before who just stalked and killed a kid
The fight took place on or near the side walk between the two rows of townhouses...a sidewalk which is surrounded on either side by grass. Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head which would be consistent with it being banged down onto something hard not grass. How do YOU explain those injuries to the back of his head, Star?
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You mean the "john" witness?Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
It would depend on how Martin was striking the man that he was straddling. If he's using hammer fists to Martin's skull then he's going to have little to no damage to his hands. What I find amusing, Paper...is that you want me to explain why Martin does not have more damage to his hands (something which could be determined by how and where he was striking Zimmerman) yet you have no explanation for the multiple and serious injuries that Zimmerman sustained which an eyewitness has stated were administered by Trayvon Martin. Why the double standard?
Also, he wasn't speaking to a 911 dispatcher. He was likely speaking to a police officer on desk duty that night as he called the non-emergency number.He gave us a piece of his "head" when he said "these assholes always get away" and "fucking punks."It shows his intent to "get" Martin after the police told him they didn't need Zimmerman following. Coupled with his statement to the effect that "these assholes always get away."
Zimmerman wasn't going to let Martin get away even though Martin had done nothing wrong.
I think it shows his intent to keep track of Martin despite the advice given by a dispatcher who has no legal authority. I also agree with his sentiment that merely dialing 911 and letting the police handle it from there hasn't worked in the past. I'm not sure what I would have done and I don't know what happened beyond the limited facts that have come out, but I have followed people in my neighborhood.
You have no idea of Zimmerman's intentions. You were not in his head.
Those mindless babbled 'excited utterances' tell us a whole lot about where his head was at.
Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
...And while you're explaining that, Star explain to me why someone who WAS stalking another person with the intent of using a firearm to kill them...allowed that person to approach them, knock them on their ass and then sit on their torso and punch them silly BEFORE pulling that firearm and shooting them? Show me the logic in THAT!
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
You might want to look in other sources than MSNBC and Huffo. There were more injuries, but some of the media doesn't know what the term integrity actually means. Like when MSNBC spliced and diced the 911 tape.
It's not an either / or.Just because you ignore witness and evidence doesn't meant he rest of us are clueless like yourself
Really? Him saying he was on concrete when he was really on grass isn't a hole?
Really him telling the cops that the age of Martin was somehwere in his late teens and then later saying he had no clue what the guys age was isnt a hole?
Perhaps you should look for holes before you tell us there are non. Liar.
So coem back when you are reality to face reality instead of defend a violent racist bully whose been charged with assault before who just stalked and killed a kid
The fight took place on or near the side walk between the two rows of townhouses...a sidewalk which is surrounded on either side by grass. Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head which would be consistent with it being banged down onto something hard not grass. How do YOU explain those injuries to the back of his head, Star?
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Just because someone has a few minor wounds on his head does not mean it *had* have come from concrete.
The SA stated that his explanation does not corroborate with the physical evidence.
Hell, I can look at that minor boo-boo and see right off the bat, that's not from repeated concrete slamming. Heads look like hamburg after being pounded into concrete.
Meister obviously hasn't read the autopsy report.Where is the logic in the reality this "beating victim" suffered no defensive wounds?
Show me the logic that says someone who "punched someone silly" could incur only a single scratch 1/8 to 1/4 inch on his finger.
You might want to look in other sources than MSNBC and Huffo. There were more injuries, but some of the media doesn't know what the term integrity actually means. Like when MSNBC spliced and diced the 911 tape.
According to the autopsy, the only other injury Martin had was the gunshot wound. I'm curious to know what you are talking about.
It's not an either / or.The fight took place on or near the side walk between the two rows of townhouses...a sidewalk which is surrounded on either side by grass. Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head which would be consistent with it being banged down onto something hard not grass. How do YOU explain those injuries to the back of his head, Star?
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Just because someone has a few minor wounds on his head does not mean it *had* have come from concrete.
The SA stated that his explanation does not corroborate with the physical evidence.
Hell, I can look at that minor boo-boo and see right off the bat, that's not from repeated concrete slamming. Heads look like hamburg after being pounded into concrete.
I don't think you know much about the injuries that result from most fights, Paper. The cuts on the back of George Zimmerman's head look like "concussive lacerations" to me...which is an blunt object slamming into the body causing a cut or the body itself being slammed into something blunt (like the ground) causing a a cut. The reason why I find it hard to believe that grass caused Zimmerman's injury is that most Florida grass is very thick and matted, like a Floratam or St. Augustine. It would be difficult to cause a concussive laceration such as those on the back of Zimmerman's head by smacking it down on something like either of those strains of grass. It would be rather easy to do so if you were trying to smack someone's head down on a paved surface. As for his head looking like "hamburg"? If Zimmerman had hair that Martin could have grabbed then he might have been able to repeatedly slam his head into the ground making it look like "hamburg". Doing so with a man who has a shaved head on a rainy night however would be rather difficult and as a result I wouldn't expect even close to the same amount of damage.
