Germany's energy from Russia.

[Dschrute3]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

I was curious about that aspect. What happen to EU negotiated trade agreements? Why is Germany the exception?

Merkel is a corrupt Globalist. It's perfectly fine for her to pursue policies that benefit Germany, but when other nations in the EU try it, she supports bullying them into submission. But more & more nations in Europe are waking up. The EU could be in big trouble. Personally, i support ending both the EU and NATO.

 

[JBond]

You guys lack the ability to stay on ANY topic. LOL

What do you want to chat about?
How about Obama refusing to permit new LNG facilities so we could export energy to our allies instead of making them dependent on Russia. Russia is bad this week, right? The left flips around so often, it is hard to keep up.

Maybe the OP, but feel free to start new threads. LOL

Part of Trump's bluster may be just to try and garner a bigger market for US gas.

Trump Gives Merkel An Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline Or Trade War Begins

Although Germany's take is that the econ sanctions on Russia were not about destroying that economy. And although I haven't seen a german state it, in an "oblast" or administrative region with 40% plus Russian speaking inhabitants, Ukrainian discrimination is likely

So a political solution continues to be elusive.

Of course it is about trade. America first.

 

[Dschrute3]

You guys lack the ability to stay on ANY topic. LOL

What do you want to chat about?
How about Obama refusing to permit new LNG facilities so we could export energy to our allies instead of making them dependent on Russia. Russia is bad this week, right? The left flips around so often, it is hard to keep up.

Maybe the OP, but feel free to start new threads. LOL

Part of Trump's bluster may be just to try and garner a bigger market for US gas.

Trump Gives Merkel An Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline Or Trade War Begins

Although Germany's take is that the econ sanctions on Russia were not about destroying that economy. And although I haven't seen a german state it, in an "oblast" or administrative region with 40% plus Russian speaking inhabitants, Ukrainian discrimination is likely

So a political solution continues to be elusive.

So do you support Germany buying all that oil from Russia?

 

[bendog]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

The Nord Stream II (or NS2) project was started in 2015 is a joint venture between Russia’s Gazprom and European partners, including German Uniper, Austria’s OMV, France’s Engie, Wintershall and the British-Dutch multinational Royal Dutch Shell. The pipeline is set to run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea – doubling the existing pipeline’s capacity of 55 cubic meters per year, and is therefore critical for Europe’s future energy needs.

US Gives Germany an Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline or Trade War Begins

 

[bendog]

You guys lack the ability to stay on ANY topic. LOL

What do you want to chat about?
How about Obama refusing to permit new LNG facilities so we could export energy to our allies instead of making them dependent on Russia. Russia is bad this week, right? The left flips around so often, it is hard to keep up.

Maybe the OP, but feel free to start new threads. LOL

Part of Trump's bluster may be just to try and garner a bigger market for US gas.

Trump Gives Merkel An Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline Or Trade War Begins

Although Germany's take is that the econ sanctions on Russia were not about destroying that economy. And although I haven't seen a german state it, in an "oblast" or administrative region with 40% plus Russian speaking inhabitants, Ukrainian discrimination is likely

So a political solution continues to be elusive.

Of course it is about trade. America first.

And of course it's about some country paying above market price. LOL

 

[Dschrute3]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

Never let facts get in your way
The Nord Stream II (or NS2) project was started in 2015 is a joint venture between Russia’s Gazprom and European partners, including German Uniper, Austria’s OMV, France’s Engie, Wintershall and the British-Dutch multinational Royal Dutch Shell. The pipeline is set to run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea – doubling the existing pipeline’s capacity of 55 cubic meters per year, and is therefore critical for Europe’s future energy needs.

US Gives Germany an Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline or Trade War Begins

Right, Germany's doing what's best for Germany. That's the way it should always be. But Merkel is a corrupt Globalist, and hypocrite. She's been behind EU bullying of other nations who've tried to do the same. That's why i say, maybe it's time to end both the EU and NATO.

 

[Dschrute3]

You guys lack the ability to stay on ANY topic. LOL

What do you want to chat about?
How about Obama refusing to permit new LNG facilities so we could export energy to our allies instead of making them dependent on Russia. Russia is bad this week, right? The left flips around so often, it is hard to keep up.

Maybe the OP, but feel free to start new threads. LOL

Part of Trump's bluster may be just to try and garner a bigger market for US gas.

Trump Gives Merkel An Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline Or Trade War Begins

Although Germany's take is that the econ sanctions on Russia were not about destroying that economy. And although I haven't seen a german state it, in an "oblast" or administrative region with 40% plus Russian speaking inhabitants, Ukrainian discrimination is likely

So a political solution continues to be elusive.

Of course it is about trade. America first.

And of course it's about some country paying above market price. LOL

So do you support Germany's decision to buy all that oil from Russia?

 

[RealDave]

Link?

Link????? Which part?

 

[Stratford57]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

Agreed except for the part "Merkel is doing what's the best for Germany". It obviously isn't so, you can see she's a traitor to her nation after she has flooded EU (including Germany) with Muslim refugees/terrorists. Her positions have been shaky lately, so she's doing what's good for her, not Germany.

Also I'd like to stress that all that anti-Russian hysteria only benefits Deep State and their puppets all over the world. No need to help them unless we want them to keep flourishing.

 

[Bush92]

We could have sold natural gas to Europe if Barry and the environmentalist hadn’t blocked it.

 

[RealDave]

Well, our dumbass President keeps spouting crap & insulting our allies & the American people.

This idea that Germany's buying Russian energy is such a horrible thing as it sends money to Russia is really stupid. The important number is trade balance.

Who cares if Germany sends billions to Russia if it gets it back when Russia spends billions for German goods?

Russia imports more from Germany than Germany buys from Russia.

The US imports more from Russia than Russia buys from the US, so Trump should be explaining to Germany why we are supporting the country that we are bitching at Germany for not investing enough in defense from.

So who has gained more control in this energy business between Germany & Russia? Who needs it more?

Certain, if Russia cut off the energy, Germany would face turmoil until other sources are arranged. But Russia also needs that sale & they would be hurt economically if Germany quit buying.

The gist is this: Trump is a bloviating fool who is embarrassing us & thereby insulting our intelligence. when he made this remark yesterday.

You just made Trump's argument for him.

Based on your "brilliant" observation, we can just abolish NATO and set up free trade across the globe.

mental midget comes to mind.

Mental midgret is your mind.

NATO is not about trade.

 

[Bush92]

Link?

Link????? Which part?

All of it.

 

[RealDave]

Well, our dumbass President keeps spouting crap & insulting our allies & the American people.

This idea that Germany's buying Russian energy is such a horrible thing as it sends money to Russia is really stupid. The important number is trade balance.

Who cares if Germany sends billions to Russia if it gets it back when Russia spends billions for German goods?

Russia imports more from Germany than Germany buys from Russia.

The US imports more from Russia than Russia buys from the US, so Trump should be explaining to Germany why we are supporting the country that we are bitching at Germany for not investing enough in defense from.

So who has gained more control in this energy business between Germany & Russia? Who needs it more?

Certain, if Russia cut off the energy, Germany would face turmoil until other sources are arranged. But Russia also needs that sale & they would be hurt economically if Germany quit buying.

The gist is this: Trump is a bloviating fool who is embarrassing us & thereby insulting our intelligence. when he made this remark yesterday.

You just made Trump's argument for him.

Based on your "brilliant" observation, we can just abolish NATO and set up free trade across the globe.

mental midget comes to mind.

NATO should have been abolished in 1991 after the USSR collapse. A lot of Americans were surprised it was not done.

Demonization of Putin is one of the biggest threats to American national security,Stephen Cohen.

If you guys want to drain the Swamp you need Putin's help for that. Your NATO "allies" will never help you draining that swamp just because their "leaders" ARE PART of the Swamp.

Quoting Cohen?

 

[bendog]

You guys lack the ability to stay on ANY topic. LOL

What do you want to chat about?
How about Obama refusing to permit new LNG facilities so we could export energy to our allies instead of making them dependent on Russia. Russia is bad this week, right? The left flips around so often, it is hard to keep up.

Maybe the OP, but feel free to start new threads. LOL

Part of Trump's bluster may be just to try and garner a bigger market for US gas.

Trump Gives Merkel An Ultimatum: Drop Russian Gas Pipeline Or Trade War Begins

Although Germany's take is that the econ sanctions on Russia were not about destroying that economy. And although I haven't seen a german state it, in an "oblast" or administrative region with 40% plus Russian speaking inhabitants, Ukrainian discrimination is likely

So a political solution continues to be elusive.

So do you support Germany buying all that oil from Russia?

It's actually the EU countries and not "Germany."

But I think my post was clear. The pro-Putin folks would complain Nato was about destabilization. I'd argue that the newly independent E. European counties had good reason to see Putin as a threat to their post-soviet independence, and given events in Georgia and Modova and the Baltics that's proven out.

But, I'm not sure even die hard neocons wanted to destabilize Russia to the point of economic and political collapse. Putin is not the worst case scenario in a society where Stalin is still seen positively.

It's not really our call where Europe gets natl gas. The US proposal of shipping it over there from us in ships is nonsensical, and that may be Trump's proposal. There are two other options. 1. A pipeline from the Persian Gulf (or somewhere east) across several possible ME countries and the med, or 2) Russia. Obviously both paths have geopolitical dangers.

But EU gas imports are already down something like 20% because of alternatives.

So, I don't think some Russian blackmail ultimatum forcing Europe to do something is really in the offing. It's sort of mutually assured destruction.

Rather, I think the issue is more about finding a way for Russian speakers in former Soviet areas to be given an alternative of full integration into the non-Russian countries. And making Russia see that as their best deal and being able to live with the consequences.

 

[RealDave]

Link?

Link????? Which part?

All of it.

DSo,

You did not see & hear what Trump said about Germany buying Russian energy?

You are too fucking stupid to look up the trade between Germany & Russia, Trade between the US & Russia?

SO are like a little infant lying on your back & having a tantrum until someone spoons feeds you information?

 

[RealDave]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

Agreed except for the part "Merkel is doing what's the best for Germany". It obviously isn't so, you can see she's a traitor to her nation after she has flooded EU (including Germany) with Muslim refugees/terrorists. Her positions have been shaky lately, so she's doing what's good for her, not Germany.

Also I'd like to stress that all that anti-Russian hysteria only benefits Deep State and their puppets all over the world. No need to help them unless we want them to keep flourishing.

How is allowing refugees good for Merkel?

 

[bendog]

Good on Merkel. She's doing what's best for Germany. All nations should have the ability to do what's best for themselves. It's time to restore European nations' independence and sovereignty.

Merkel is a Globalist zealot, yet she feels she has to do what's best for her nation. Too bad she's a hypocrite and supports EU bullying against other nations that try to do that. Maybe it's time to end both NATO and the EU?

Agreed except for the part "Merkel is doing what's the best for Germany". It obviously isn't so, you can see she's a traitor to her nation after she has flooded EU (including Germany) with Muslim refugees/terrorists. Her positions have been shaky lately, so she's doing what's good for her, not Germany.

Also I'd like to stress that all that anti-Russian hysteria only benefits Deep State and their puppets all over the world. No need to help them unless we want them to keep flourishing.

How is allowing refugees good for Merkel?

You sense an agenda? LOL

 

[Bush92]

Link?

Link????? Which part?

All of it.

DSo,

You did not see & hear what Trump said about Germany buying Russian energy?

You are too fucking stupid to look up the trade between Germany & Russia, Trade between the US & Russia?

SO are like a little infant lying on your back & having a tantrum until someone spoons feeds you information?

Germany is a pussified nation that allows its women to be raped by Muslims.

 

[RealDave]

Well, our dumbass President keeps spouting crap & insulting our allies & the American people.

This idea that Germany's buying Russian energy is such a horrible thing as it sends money to Russia is really stupid. The important number is trade balance.

Who cares if Germany sends billions to Russia if it gets it back when Russia spends billions for German goods?

Russia imports more from Germany than Germany buys from Russia.

The US imports more from Russia than Russia buys from the US, so Trump should be explaining to Germany why we are supporting the country that we are bitching at Germany for not investing enough in defense from.

So who has gained more control in this energy business between Germany & Russia? Who needs it more?

Certain, if Russia cut off the energy, Germany would face turmoil until other sources are arranged. But Russia also needs that sale & they would be hurt economically if Germany quit buying.

The gist is this: Trump is a bloviating fool who is embarrassing us & thereby insulting our intelligence. when he made this remark yesterday.

You just made Trump's argument for him.

Based on your "brilliant" observation, we can just abolish NATO and set up free trade across the globe.

mental midget comes to mind.

Nobody has benefited more from NATO than the U.S. Trump wants to disband it. Mental midget indeed.

The only people benefiting from NATO is the Socialist losers across the pond.

They fund their Socialist society with the money they should be paying us to defend their sorry lazy asses.

Trump has you people so duped that you want to alienate our allies, destroy our alliances & actually think that is better for America,

This is how fucking stupid you people are.

 

[RealDave]

Link?

Link????? Which part?

All of it.

DSo,

You did not see & hear what Trump said about Germany buying Russian energy?

You are too fucking stupid to look up the trade between Germany & Russia, Trade between the US & Russia?

SO are like a little infant lying on your back & having a tantrum until someone spoons feeds you information?

Germany is a pussified nation that allows its women to be raped by Muslims.

Instead of being groped by a man you deemed good enough to be President.