Gerrymander the Electoral College?

[Papageorgio]

it would water down the will of the majority.


Not the founders plan

How?

 

[Truthmatters]

by not awarding the state to the most voters wishes

 

[Papageorgio]

But aren't the states free to award their electoral votes as they choose?

 

[Truthmatters]

It's simple; if Republicans push this agenda, then it's time for Dems to make a massive push to abolish the EC. If Republicans really want a bloodbath, then they will go down this road.

Lol! Like all this hasn't been pushed before, I bet you have no clue as how little or how much support this even has, you probably read this thread and now you are crying.

Each state sets it OWN rules on how the electoral votes are cast, no the fed. So this has no chance of being anything but an excuse for Democrats to start crying about nothing. Virginia has a bill that most say won't get passed.

Each state has a right to configure the way they get to vote. Changing the system would change politics, it would force candidates to concentrate their time differently and states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida would not see the candidates dozens of times before the election and other areas would.

Also it would have helped Obama with his strategy this last election. He executed his pinpoint plan almost perfectly. So it would change strategy but both sides are good at getting the most out of the voters.

They're pissing and whining because they know for a fact that if EC votes were cast according to the winner in each district, their boiking would have lost both '08 and '12.

and yet again we would have had a president who got fewer Americans votes

 

[Truthmatters]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

 

[Truthmatters]

More people in America voted for Gore.

Bush was given the election by a partisan scotus

 

[Papageorgio]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

 

[Truthmatters]

Im saying state officials should STOP trying to cheat the people to win

 

[Truthmatters]

You aparently like the cheating as long as your side benifits

 

[Papageorgio]

Im saying state officials should STOP trying to cheat the people to win

How, I am asking you, should a state be allowed to set their rules as regards to their votes in the electoral college?

 

[Papageorgio]

You aparently like the cheating as long as your side benifits

Apparently you don't like to discuss but like to accuse and name call. I have no room for cheating, I follow rules and laws.

 

[JoeB131]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

I'm saying that we should chuck the Electoral College.

If VA Republicans try to pull this shit, they need to make their lives a living hell. And, yes, there's a whole raft of federal laws they could do this under.

 

[Toro]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

When it looks like one party is trying to rig a vote and subvert the will of democracy by applying it selectively, it looks really, really bad for that party.

When Republicans start talking about splitting the electoral college in their own states, then the GOP will have credibility on this issue. But a concerted effort to split the electoral college in manner that benefits themselves alone looks like a cynical power grab by a party that no longer knows how to win elections without gerrymandering the results. Any other argument about states' rights, blah, blah, blah, is just utter bullshit.

 

[Papageorgio]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

I'm saying that we should chuck the Electoral College.

If VA Republicans try to pull this shit, they need to make their lives a living hell. And, yes, there's a whole raft of federal laws they could do this under.

It won't happen, it is just more dem BS. States talk about doing this all the time. Even Dems have tried to push it through their states, it's called politics and it is rare that they change it up.

 

[Papageorgio]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

When it looks like one party is trying to rig a vote and subvert the will of democracy by applying it selectively, it looks really, really bad for that party.

When Republicans start talking about splitting the electoral college in their own states, then the GOP will have credibility on this issue. But a concerted effort to split the electoral college in manner that benefits themselves alone looks like a cynical power grab by a party that no longer knows how to win elections without gerrymandering the results. Any other argument about states' rights, blah, blah, blah, is just utter bullshit.

I figured Dems don't give a fuck about states rights.

 

[candycorn]

the guy who MOST of the country voted for should get the job NOT the loser

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

When it looks like one party is trying to rig a vote and subvert the will of democracy by applying it selectively, it looks really, really bad for that party.

When Republicans start talking about splitting the electoral college in their own states, then the GOP will have credibility on this issue. But a concerted effort to split the electoral college in manner that benefits themselves alone looks like a cynical power grab by a party that no longer knows how to win elections without gerrymandering the results. Any other argument about states' rights, blah, blah, blah, is just utter bullshit.

It is indeed bullshit. Much in the same way athletes who are in contract negotiations say, "It's not about the money". Of course it's about money and of course it's about the Presidency.

But doesn't it seem like a more equitable system in a vacuum?

We don't live in a vacuum and the gerrymandering that both parties have done would not in any way deliver a result indicative of the will of the American people in my view.

Still, though, the if "We the People" have sat by and allowed the state of our politics locally to delve into such a state of disgrace that we've allowed politicians to herd us into districts that look more like starfish than a logical geographic division...is it not what we deserve as apathetic stewards of our founder's grand design?

 

[ABikerSailor]

The electoral college was brought about because we didn't have the things we do today.

Get rid of the electoral college and just give it to the winner of the popular vote.

 

[OKTexas]

The electoral college was brought about because we didn't have the things we do today.

Get rid of the electoral college and just give it to the winner of the popular vote.

You're more than welcome to try an amendment. Don't think it would go very far, but you can try.

 

[Toro]

According to the rule of law, each state is allowed to vote for who they want. The states make the rules on how their votes are selected, and how they are presented.

Are you saying the states should be stripped of this right?

When it looks like one party is trying to rig a vote and subvert the will of democracy by applying it selectively, it looks really, really bad for that party.

When Republicans start talking about splitting the electoral college in their own states, then the GOP will have credibility on this issue. But a concerted effort to split the electoral college in manner that benefits themselves alone looks like a cynical power grab by a party that no longer knows how to win elections without gerrymandering the results. Any other argument about states' rights, blah, blah, blah, is just utter bullshit.

I figured Dems don't give a fuck about states rights.

I'm a Republican.

When Republicans start talking about splitting the electoral college in Texas or Georgia, then you can come back to us with pious self-righteous indignation. Otherwise, it's just a cynical naked grab for power that has nothing to do with "states' rights."

 

[rdean]

The bottom line is that the number of old white Republicans is rapidly shrinking. They need to come up with something better than a "scam".