Get used to Robert Mueller. He's not going away!

[iceberg]

Trump supporters: I know you're not happy with Robert Mueller poking around in Donald Trump's affairs, and those of his family and associates. I also know you think this is a witch hunt, and a Liberal conspiracy to smear the Trump White House, but there are 2 things you'd better start warming up to:

1. Robert Mueller was appointed by Rob Rosenstein a lifelong Republican appointed to his position by President George W Bush. Mr. Rosenstein found probable cause that Russia did indeed meddle in our election in 2016, and judged that a special counsel was warranted, so please....stop crying Liberal which hunt, it doesn't make any sense.

2. You folks didn't have any problems with special counsels when one was appointed to poke around in Bill Clinton's dealings with Whitewater real estate, and this investigation led them to the Monica Lewinski scandal that got Bill Clinton impeached.

Special counsels are a fact of life for Presidents, and if your golden boy is as squeaky clean as he claims, then there is nothing to worry about. So, put your big boy pants on and get used to Robert Mueller. He's not going away!


Rod Rosenstein’s Political Affiliation: Is He a Republican or a Democrat?

TRUMP HATERS - get used to him. he's not going away.

the more you do stupid juvenille shit like this and the whole WAH WE LOST THE ELECTION WAH the more you shove people away from your side of things. why not go after real issues? problems? find ways to work together vs. kick each other in the nuts all the time? the whole point of a 2 party system is sometimes you just don't like who is in power. sometimes quite strongly.

but in a country built for us all, this is not a single decision and when someone is president you may not like, tough shit. it happens and it will happen again. liberals need to learn to deal with it vs. pretending if they keep making shit up someone will finally give them their way.

so sure. keep this shit up and you'll have him for 8 years to say ANY DAY NOW YOU'LL SEE WE'RE RIGHT!

Silly and ^^^ very panglossian.; Impeachment maybe unlikely, at least until Jan 2019. If the GOP loses the majority and the Democrats take the H. of Rep. It will become more likely, especially if Trump continues to embarrass us with his foolish remarks and tweets.

BTW, Brinkmanship exacerbates the tension between our nation and N. Korea - NO ONE will win if words are replaced by weapons.

lord you can't help but be a condescending asshole.

bless you.

 

[SmokeALib]

Trump supporters: I know you're not happy with Robert Mueller poking around in Donald Trump's affairs, and those of his family and associates. I also know you think this is a witch hunt, and a Liberal conspiracy to smear the Trump White House, but there are 2 things you'd better start warming up to:

1. Robert Mueller was appointed by Rob Rosenstein a lifelong Republican appointed to his position by President George W Bush. Mr. Rosenstein found probable cause that Russia did indeed meddle in our election in 2016, and judged that a special counsel was warranted, so please....stop crying Liberal which hunt, it doesn't make any sense.

2. You folks didn't have any problems with special counsels when one was appointed to poke around in Bill Clinton's dealings with Whitewater real estate, and this investigation led them to the Monica Lewinski scandal that got Bill Clinton impeached.

Special counsels are a fact of life for Presidents, and if your golden boy is as squeaky clean as he claims, then there is nothing to worry about. So, put your big boy pants on and get used to Robert Mueller. He's not going away!


Rod Rosenstein’s Political Affiliation: Is He a Republican or a Democrat?

Mueller is a scam and a witchhunt.

 

[iceberg]

*if*.

we don't impeach, kill, nor send people away for *if*. russia may, oddly enough.

but *we* don't.

unless you wanna be more like russia...

I had not heard of anyone being impeached, killed or exhiled as a result of this investigation. Except the Russian diplomats that were sent home.

not from lack of effort.

do you really want the links? maxine, threats against the president for his life, people wanting him out of the country.

do you REALLY want me to link you up there?

people are after that for an *if* cause they want that *if* to be true so they can validate their emo. rational people can wait until investigations are over, warranted or not.

People running their mouths, mostly on Twitter and social media (then there's Maxine--what can anyone say). That's a far cry from it actually happening.

i didn't say it was. i said people were trying hard to make it happen. people in our own government. they cater to a base of people obviously who feel this way.

obviously it has NOT happened but again - not from lack of effort.

Our government is now operated by the Republicans. Why are they catering to the Dem flake contingent?

really?

lord it's a pain to talk you at times.

 

[jc456]

You are right that he won't go away.
Much the same of Bill and Hillary.
Why leave when there is so much money to be had. Right?

I personally wish they would all go away

Don't you care if Russia meddled in our elections?

Frankly I'm not sure who meddled more The Russians, or the DNC.
I tend to think it was both.
Did you watch the DNC convention? I did. And it gave a pretty clear impression of a corrupt political party that would stoop to any length to retain power. DWS stepping down on the first night of the convention was hilarious. The Bernie supporters walking out was hilarious. The half empty convention hall was hilarious. Filling the vacant seats via an advertisement on Craig's list was hilarious.
Maybe the Russians were working for the DNC. (DNC/FSB)

So you are not sure?

Don't you want to know what the Mueller investigation finds in terms of an election influenced by a foreign nation?

How do you think the Russians "influenced" our election? What exactly do you think they did?

hahahahahaahha ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hey all you fking libturd moronies, answer this please. Please give me more to laugh at.

BTW, we know they didn't hack the DNC cause no one has looked at the server yet. just in case you're keeping track.

 

[OldLady]

Collusion WOULD be bad, if it happened, wouldn't it?

Collusion? Like the Russian uranium deal? Like Bill Clinton getting millions for speeches in Russia? Like Clinton and Lynch meeting and making a deal on a secret runway? Like Hillary and Comey and Lynch covering up violations of national security laws? That kind collusion?

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

i didn't say you knew.

i said you're seeing things in a manner that you feel proper, i'm sure, but lead to guilt.

"i notice he didn't say a thing about russia!"

you're *looking* for reasons to find him guilty. you can deny it, i really don't care. but that's what i see you doing.

Just an observation. One more observation in the "coincidences." He's obviously got a mancrush on Putin, and maybe that's all this is. We'll see.

 

[jc456]

According to the accusations they put out a lot of falsehood riddled "news" on the Internet which some as yet undetermined portion of the electorate were gullible enough to believe in addition to lifting some truths from DNC mailboxes which much of the gullible electorate-D refused to believe.

So basically the Russkies are accused of doing the same shit both parties and their networks of sycophants do every election cycle, personally I think the American Citizenry would be better served by hiring the Russians to investigate the Republicans and the Democrats, we might actually get to the bottom of how we've been REALLY duped.

the Russkies are accused of doing the same shit both parties and their networks of sycophants do every election cycle,
You're not wrong. The problem with this is that the Russians are not American political parties. They are an adversarial foreign power.

True but what's your point?

I didn't see anybody in the U.S. throwing a tantrum when we engineered a coup de'etat to oust Mossadegh or when we did the same thing to Allende or when the Big "O" and his merry band of appartchiks tried to sway the Israeli elections.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and either our electorate wakes up and takes responsibility for being informed by more than social media propaganda, stand up comedy routines and innuendo before stepping into the voting booth or adversarial foreign governemtns are likely going to avail themselves of the same liberties that our federal geniuses have been taking with the internal politics of other countries for decades.

Obama coming out publicly in support of his viewpoints prior to the Israeli elections is NOT the same as covertly influencing the American electorate the way Russia did.

Ummm... Obama said one thing publicly while his political allies tried to sway the elections covertly in the background, beyond that what about Mossadegh and Allende? and those are just incidents we're aware of, isn't possible (likely) that our government routinely engages in exactly the same behavior, especially where an adversarial relationship exists?

If the Russian Government is indeed guilty of what it's being accused of (yet to be determined) then I would say they are just following a precedent that was set long ago regarding the fact that when it comes to geopolitics there are no rules when dealing with adversaries and it's one WE have followed and reinforced repeatedly. The smart response would be a national debate on the ethics and morality of interfering in other nations internal politics and the fact that we don't like it when it's done to us, so how can we justify doing it to others? Then and only then can we look towards finding solutions to prevent it from happening or mitigating its effects in the future.

This partisan circus we have going on now where we're acting like the raped virgin and the two parties are seeking to use it as a political weapon against the other is ludicrous in the extreme and will accomplish nothing useful.

The important point is did the Presidential Campaign collude with a foreign power to influence our election. Treason is a serious issue, and one which needs a serious investigation. Why do some self proclaimed patriots seem not to care?

For the record: Walsh Iran / Contra Report - Summary of Prosecutions

what kind of mold is that btw?

 

[OldLady]

I had not heard of anyone being impeached, killed or exhiled as a result of this investigation. Except the Russian diplomats that were sent home.

not from lack of effort.

do you really want the links? maxine, threats against the president for his life, people wanting him out of the country.

do you REALLY want me to link you up there?

people are after that for an *if* cause they want that *if* to be true so they can validate their emo. rational people can wait until investigations are over, warranted or not.

People running their mouths, mostly on Twitter and social media (then there's Maxine--what can anyone say). That's a far cry from it actually happening.

i didn't say it was. i said people were trying hard to make it happen. people in our own government. they cater to a base of people obviously who feel this way.

obviously it has NOT happened but again - not from lack of effort.

Our government is now operated by the Republicans. Why are they catering to the Dem flake contingent?

really?

lord it's a pain to talk you at times.

Then don't.

 

[jc456]

Collusion? Like the Russian uranium deal? Like Bill Clinton getting millions for speeches in Russia? Like Clinton and Lynch meeting and making a deal on a secret runway? Like Hillary and Comey and Lynch covering up violations of national security laws? That kind collusion?

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

i didn't say you knew.

i said you're seeing things in a manner that you feel proper, i'm sure, but lead to guilt.

"i notice he didn't say a thing about russia!"

you're *looking* for reasons to find him guilty. you can deny it, i really don't care. but that's what i see you doing.

Just an observation. One more observation in the "coincidences." He's obviously got a mancrush on Putin, and maybe that's all this is. We'll see.

how do you know anything? you been sleeping in the white house or trump towers? what is it you have that you think you can merely make such a radical statement out of your ass?

 

[jc456]

not from lack of effort.

do you really want the links? maxine, threats against the president for his life, people wanting him out of the country.

do you REALLY want me to link you up there?

people are after that for an *if* cause they want that *if* to be true so they can validate their emo. rational people can wait until investigations are over, warranted or not.

People running their mouths, mostly on Twitter and social media (then there's Maxine--what can anyone say). That's a far cry from it actually happening.

i didn't say it was. i said people were trying hard to make it happen. people in our own government. they cater to a base of people obviously who feel this way.

obviously it has NOT happened but again - not from lack of effort.

Our government is now operated by the Republicans. Why are they catering to the Dem flake contingent?

really?

lord it's a pain to talk you at times.

Then don't.

then stop posting stupid.

 

[OldLady]

True but what's your point?

I didn't see anybody in the U.S. throwing a tantrum when we engineered a coup de'etat to oust Mossadegh or when we did the same thing to Allende or when the Big "O" and his merry band of appartchiks tried to sway the Israeli elections.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and either our electorate wakes up and takes responsibility for being informed by more than social media propaganda, stand up comedy routines and innuendo before stepping into the voting booth or adversarial foreign governemtns are likely going to avail themselves of the same liberties that our federal geniuses have been taking with the internal politics of other countries for decades.

Obama coming out publicly in support of his viewpoints prior to the Israeli elections is NOT the same as covertly influencing the American electorate the way Russia did.

He used American taxpayer money to fund the campaign of Netanyahu's opponent. Do you live under a rock somewhere?

No, I just don't subscribe to Breitbart. I'd ask for a link, but you've gone wildly off topic.

I am only pointing out the hypocrisy of you on the left. Guilt by accusation is not how we do things in this country

i told her that. she told me only loudmouths on twitter were doing it.

i'm like "great, so we agree the left on twitter is doing it. along with members of our own gov"

the most jacked up part of talking to oldlady is when we agree and disagree on the same damn point. it's like a "i agree HOWEVER" each and every time. and each and every time it points back to pre-determining trump being guilty.

No. I am not pre-determining Trump being guilty of collusion. Truly. Why must you jump to that conclusion?

 

[jc456]

Obama coming out publicly in support of his viewpoints prior to the Israeli elections is NOT the same as covertly influencing the American electorate the way Russia did.

He used American taxpayer money to fund the campaign of Netanyahu's opponent. Do you live under a rock somewhere?

No, I just don't subscribe to Breitbart. I'd ask for a link, but you've gone wildly off topic.

I am only pointing out the hypocrisy of you on the left. Guilt by accusation is not how we do things in this country

i told her that. she told me only loudmouths on twitter were doing it.

i'm like "great, so we agree the left on twitter is doing it. along with members of our own gov"

the most jacked up part of talking to oldlady is when we agree and disagree on the same damn point. it's like a "i agree HOWEVER" each and every time. and each and every time it points back to pre-determining trump being guilty.

No. I am not pre-determining Trump being guilty of collusion. Truly. Why must you jump to that conclusion?

why are you here?

 

[Redfish]

Collusion? Like the Russian uranium deal? Like Bill Clinton getting millions for speeches in Russia? Like Clinton and Lynch meeting and making a deal on a secret runway? Like Hillary and Comey and Lynch covering up violations of national security laws? That kind collusion?

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

i didn't say you knew.

i said you're seeing things in a manner that you feel proper, i'm sure, but lead to guilt.

"i notice he didn't say a thing about russia!"

you're *looking* for reasons to find him guilty. you can deny it, i really don't care. but that's what i see you doing.

Just an observation. One more observation in the "coincidences." He's obviously got a mancrush on Putin, and maybe that's all this is. We'll see.

WTF is wrong with you? do you have a "girlcrush" on the hildebeast?

 

[Wry Catcher]

You are right that he won't go away.
Much the same of Bill and Hillary.
Why leave when there is so much money to be had. Right?

I personally wish they would all go away

Don't you care if Russia meddled in our elections?

Frankly I'm not sure who meddled more The Russians, or the DNC.
I tend to think it was both.
Did you watch the DNC convention? I did. And it gave a pretty clear impression of a corrupt political party that would stoop to any length to retain power. DWS stepping down on the first night of the convention was hilarious. The Bernie supporters walking out was hilarious. The half empty convention hall was hilarious. Filling the vacant seats via an advertisement on Craig's list was hilarious.
Maybe the Russians were working for the DNC. (DNC/FSB)

So you are not sure?

Don't you want to know what the Mueller investigation finds in terms of an election influenced by a foreign nation?

How do you think the Russians "influenced" our election? What exactly do you think they did?

That is NOT the point, and most people know it. Only hacks and fools argue the Russian's "influenced" our election [Unless the investigation uncovers facts that they did covertly "stuff" the ballot box]. We don't know yet how far the investigation goes or who is culpable.

 

[Care4all]

Collusion? Like the Russian uranium deal? Like Bill Clinton getting millions for speeches in Russia? Like Clinton and Lynch meeting and making a deal on a secret runway? Like Hillary and Comey and Lynch covering up violations of national security laws? That kind collusion?

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

There was collusion, that has been proven...the Donny Jr, Manafort and Kushner meeting with the 5 Russian operatives, and the changing of the Repulican plank in favor of Putin over the Ukraine requested by the Russians.

What we don't know is if any of it had monetary value and if there was a quid pro quo.... which is what I believe Mueller is trying to find out....That would be criminal.

You don't KNOW any of that. That is what is being alleged by the dems. The meeting was requested by the Russians claiming to have some campaign dirt on Hillary, while they actually wanted to bring up an old bill about Russian adoptions.

Damn, where do you get this shit?

They accepted a meeting for dirt on Hillary from the Russian GOVERNMENT.....they were overjoyed and asked or hinted for it to be released around the DNC convention time ....would be great...

Adoptions is the code word for Sanctions....certainly you know that?

We know the Republican plank was changed, we know Manafort met with the Russian operative the day the plank was changed and eaves dropping caught the Russian operative claiming he got the plank changed.

 

[bendog]

Mueller is like a dose of the clap for the Oranguton. (-:

 

[Redfish]

You are right that he won't go away.
Much the same of Bill and Hillary.
Why leave when there is so much money to be had. Right?

I personally wish they would all go away

Don't you care if Russia meddled in our elections?

Frankly I'm not sure who meddled more The Russians, or the DNC.
I tend to think it was both.
Did you watch the DNC convention? I did. And it gave a pretty clear impression of a corrupt political party that would stoop to any length to retain power. DWS stepping down on the first night of the convention was hilarious. The Bernie supporters walking out was hilarious. The half empty convention hall was hilarious. Filling the vacant seats via an advertisement on Craig's list was hilarious.
Maybe the Russians were working for the DNC. (DNC/FSB)

So you are not sure?

Don't you want to know what the Mueller investigation finds in terms of an election influenced by a foreign nation?

How do you think the Russians "influenced" our election? What exactly do you think they did?

That is NOT the point, and most people know it. Only hacks and fools argue the Russian's "influenced" our election [Unless the investigation uncovers facts that they did covertly "stuff" the ballot box]. We don't know yet how far the investigation goes or who is culpable.

before any investigation begins there must be a suspicion of some wrong doing. I am merely asking what you THINK the Russians did and how that had an affect on the outcome of our election. Unless there is some suspicion, the investigation is truly a waste of money and a witchhunt. Clinton was investigated because there was proof they he defiled the oval office with a young intern and then lied under oath about it.

So, what exactly is this investigation about? What do the "investigators" think happened?

is it the wikileaks leak of the data on the DNC servers that proved corruption? What are they looking for?

 

[NightFox]

According to the accusations they put out a lot of falsehood riddled "news" on the Internet which some as yet undetermined portion of the electorate were gullible enough to believe in addition to lifting some truths from DNC mailboxes which much of the gullible electorate-D refused to believe.

So basically the Russkies are accused of doing the same shit both parties and their networks of sycophants do every election cycle, personally I think the American Citizenry would be better served by hiring the Russians to investigate the Republicans and the Democrats, we might actually get to the bottom of how we've been REALLY duped.

the Russkies are accused of doing the same shit both parties and their networks of sycophants do every election cycle,
You're not wrong. The problem with this is that the Russians are not American political parties. They are an adversarial foreign power.

True but what's your point?

I didn't see anybody in the U.S. throwing a tantrum when we engineered a coup de'etat to oust Mossadegh or when we did the same thing to Allende or when the Big "O" and his merry band of appartchiks tried to sway the Israeli elections.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and either our electorate wakes up and takes responsibility for being informed by more than social media propaganda, stand up comedy routines and innuendo before stepping into the voting booth or adversarial foreign governemtns are likely going to avail themselves of the same liberties that our federal geniuses have been taking with the internal politics of other countries for decades.

Obama coming out publicly in support of his viewpoints prior to the Israeli elections is NOT the same as covertly influencing the American electorate the way Russia did.

Ummm... Obama said one thing publicly while his political allies tried to sway the elections covertly in the background, beyond that what about Mossadegh and Allende? and those are just incidents we're aware of, isn't possible (likely) that our government routinely engages in exactly the same behavior, especially where an adversarial relationship exists?

If the Russian Government is indeed guilty of what it's being accused of (yet to be determined) then I would say they are just following a precedent that was set long ago regarding the fact that when it comes to geopolitics there are no rules when dealing with adversaries and it's one WE have followed and reinforced repeatedly. The smart response would be a national debate on the ethics and morality of interfering in other nations internal politics and the fact that we don't like it when it's done to us, so how can we justify doing it to others? Then and only then can we look towards finding solutions to prevent it from happening or mitigating its effects in the future.

This partisan circus we have going on now where we're acting like the raped virgin and the two parties are seeking to use it as a political weapon against the other is ludicrous in the extreme and will accomplish nothing useful.

The important point is did the Presidential Campaign collude with a foreign power to influence our election. Treason is a serious issue, and one which needs a serious investigation.

If you'll learn how to pay attention instead of simply fully opening up your partisan bullshit flow valve without bothering to engage your brain first you'll notice that the discussion you're inserting yourself into was centered around whether or not Russian election tampering took place or not, what we're currently doing about it and the ramifications & causes thereof, as far as collusion is concerned, I have not seen sufficient evidence to entertain that as a significant probability, so I'll leave that judgement up to actual evidence when/if it ever materializes.

Why do some self proclaimed patriots seem not to care?

Please point out where I made any such proclamation?

 

[jc456]

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

There was collusion, that has been proven...the Donny Jr, Manafort and Kushner meeting with the 5 Russian operatives, and the changing of the Repulican plank in favor of Putin over the Ukraine requested by the Russians.

What we don't know is if any of it had monetary value and if there was a quid pro quo.... which is what I believe Mueller is trying to find out....That would be criminal.

You don't KNOW any of that. That is what is being alleged by the dems. The meeting was requested by the Russians claiming to have some campaign dirt on Hillary, while they actually wanted to bring up an old bill about Russian adoptions.

Damn, where do you get this shit?

They accepted a meeting for dirt on Hillary from the Russian GOVERNMENT.....they were overjoyed and asked or hinted for it to be released around the DNC convention time ....would be great...

Adoptions is the code word for Sanctions....certainly you know that?

We know the Republican plank was changed, we know Manafort met with the Russian operative the day the plank was changed and eaves dropping caught the Russian operative claiming he got the plank changed.

so fking what. dude that isn't a crime. where did the nbc video of trump and billy bush come from? why is it you're not bothered with that collusion? that was to take trump out. no?

 

[Redfish]

I believe none of that was hidden or denied. That is how detractors are "spinning" those incidents. But I'm not here to defend the Clintons. I wouldn't have entered a thread about that.
Can we discuss what I said?
Is collusion bad? Yes or no?
Is there any problem with finding out if it happened, especially if it was collusion between a sitting President's men and an adversarial government?
Clinton lost after all. Trump is in office. And I couldn't help but notice that Trump raked all our enemies over the coals at the UN General Assemby on Tuesday, except for Russia who we know attacked the root of our democracy by very intentionally interfering in our election with the hope of a particular outcome. The only thing he said to Russia was Thank You.

how do we "know" this? still waiting on valid proof and not speculation and investigations.

i would think a person NOT pushing for an outcome of their choosing would wait for evidence to be proven before "they know" something happened.

I'm not pretending to know, yet. I am, however, arguing against the posters on this thread who ARE pushing for an outcome of their choosing by saying there was no collusion. We don't know that yet, as you correctly pointed out.

There was collusion, that has been proven...the Donny Jr, Manafort and Kushner meeting with the 5 Russian operatives, and the changing of the Repulican plank in favor of Putin over the Ukraine requested by the Russians.

What we don't know is if any of it had monetary value and if there was a quid pro quo.... which is what I believe Mueller is trying to find out....That would be criminal.

You don't KNOW any of that. That is what is being alleged by the dems. The meeting was requested by the Russians claiming to have some campaign dirt on Hillary, while they actually wanted to bring up an old bill about Russian adoptions.

Damn, where do you get this shit?

They accepted a meeting for dirt on Hillary from the Russian GOVERNMENT.....they were overjoyed and asked or hinted for it to be released around the DNC convention time ....would be great...

Adoptions is the code word for Sanctions....certainly you know that?

We know the Republican plank was changed, we know Manafort met with the Russian operative the day the plank was changed and eaves dropping caught the Russian operative claiming he got the plank changed.

you are hopelessly naïve. that kind of thing has been going on for 200 years. The Clintons perfected it and used it like no one before.

I get it that you hate Trump, and that's just fine. But your obsession with this "the Russians did it" just makes you look like a complete fool.

 

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Don't you care if Russia meddled in our elections?

Frankly I'm not sure who meddled more The Russians, or the DNC.
I tend to think it was both.
Did you watch the DNC convention? I did. And it gave a pretty clear impression of a corrupt political party that would stoop to any length to retain power. DWS stepping down on the first night of the convention was hilarious. The Bernie supporters walking out was hilarious. The half empty convention hall was hilarious. Filling the vacant seats via an advertisement on Craig's list was hilarious.
Maybe the Russians were working for the DNC. (DNC/FSB)

So you are not sure?

Don't you want to know what the Mueller investigation finds in terms of an election influenced by a foreign nation?

How do you think the Russians "influenced" our election? What exactly do you think they did?

That is NOT the point, and most people know it. Only hacks and fools argue the Russian's "influenced" our election [Unless the investigation uncovers facts that they did covertly "stuff" the ballot box]. We don't know yet how far the investigation goes or who is culpable.

before any investigation begins there must be a suspicion of some wrong doing. I am merely asking what you THINK the Russians did and how that had an affect on the outcome of our election. Unless there is some suspicion, the investigation is truly a waste of money and a witchhunt. Clinton was investigated because there was proof they he defiled the oval office with a young intern and then lied under oath about it.

So, what exactly is this investigation about? What do the "investigators" think happened?

is it the wikileaks leak of the data on the DNC servers that proved corruption? What are they looking for?

and if it was something that came from the DNC server, then the appropriate action is to look at the DNC server and see whose finger prints are on it. Not hold your fingers like a cross at it and say they wouldn' wet me have it, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, sniff, whaaaaaaaaaaa