GOP introduces national right-to-work legislation

[Wyatt earp]

Yup because your skills suck, a retard and your a slacker ...you would need a union.

As I mentioned earlier- I've worked for this company as a Contractor, a non-Union employee and a Union member over the last 16 years. The only time I've been treated fairly has been in the Union.

I get my work done. No issues there. My skills are more than sufficient for my job. I just have no interest in going the extra foot, never mind mile, for a company that would let my entire department go in an instant to save a penny.

No what you admired earlier was that you were a slacker who did as little as possible and was only their for the pay check.


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[Anathema]

No what you admired earlier was that you were a slacker who did as little as possible and was only their for the pay check.

I do what I'm Contractually Obligated to fo. That's giving 100%, not slacking.

You are correct that I do not, never have, and never will Live to Work, as many of you seem to. That's not how I see the world and never will be.

 

[hadit]

No, it takes away the opportunity for an enterprising employee to demonstrate his value to the company and be rewarded for it. Basically, it turns every employee into a mindless drone who works for the union, not the company.

Actually, in many Union contracts the Union DOES own the jobs. Suckups and Brown-Nosers don't belong in the Union.

Only the mediocre belong?

 

[Anathema]

Only the mediocre belong?

Only those who can follow instructions and who have the focus to work in a group environment while not being distracted by shiny objects like job titles and enticements to break rules.

 

[danielpalos]

Without the Unions, we would be living and working in the same conditions that existed prior to the First Great Republican Depression. And, given the orange clown's intentions, and those of the GOP, we may see that again, just before the Second Great Republican Depression.

I'm sure you are aware that the Great Depression was extended by SEVEN YEARS and that F.D.R. warned strongly against public sector unions.

all we really needed, was equal protection of the law regarding the concept of employment at will, for unemployment compensation purposes. unfortunately, it merely requires a moral of "goodwill toward men" and not, weapons of mass destruction.

 

[hadit]

Only the mediocre belong?

Only those who can follow instructions and who have the focus to work in a group environment while not being distracted by shiny objects like job titles and enticements to break rules.

IOW, mediocre. The maverick with a million dollar idea and the passion to implement it, not welcome. The eager young upstart, anxious to give his family a secure financial foundation, not welcome. The guy who sees a situation and has a better way to get more done faster, not welcome.

Yeah, we get it. Superstars and those who take pride in doing the best job they can are not welcome.

Bill Gates would not have been welcome. Steve Jobs, would not have been welcome, those carpenters who went on strike in 1791 and broke all the rules, would not have been welcome.

In short, unions seek to punish innovation and risk taking. In fact, the creation of unions relied on the very kinds of people they would not welcome today.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the mediocre belong?

Only those who can follow instructions and who have the focus to work in a group environment while not being distracted by shiny objects like job titles and enticements to break rules.

IOW, mediocre. The maverick with a million dollar idea and the passion to implement it, not welcome. The eager young upstart, anxious to give his family a secure financial foundation, not welcome. The guy who sees a situation and has a better way to get more done faster, not welcome.

Yeah, we get it. Superstars and those who take pride in doing the best job they can are not welcome.

Bill Gates would not have been welcome. Steve Jobs, would not have been welcome, those carpenters who went on strike in 1791 and broke all the rules, would not have been welcome.

In short, unions seek to punish innovation and risk taking. In fact, the creation of unions relied on the very kinds of people they would not welcome today.

We are supposed to create, a more Perfect Union of States. socialist trickle down should work just like capitalist trickle down.

 

[Anathema]

The maverick with a million dollar idea and the passion to implement it, not welcome. The eager young upstart, anxious to give his family a secure financial foundation, not welcome. The guy who sees a situation and has a better way to get more done faster, not welcome.

They're all welcome, so long as they're willing to follow,the rules. The young man with the family us much more likely to find a stsble CAREER prividing income and benegits for his fsmily in the Union than outside it.

In short, unions seek to punish innovation and risk taking. In fact, the creation of unions relied on the very kinds of people they would not welcome today.

Not true. Those who created Unions did so to protect the average worker. Exactly what Unions do today.

Not everyone wants to be the boss, the innovator or take the chances. Many of us simply want to know what our job is, what the expectations are, and what the benefits for doing it will be. We're content bring the Workers. We just don't want to get screwed over by the people who own/run the company. We don't want to run it, but since we're the ones on the factory floor, in the call center, or in the field, who better for the Ivory Tower Owner to partner with than the Unionized workers to make sure things run properly?

I'm not saying it's for everyone or every job. I'm not saying it's a Utopia or that there aren't bad Unions or bad Union Leaders out there. My Local is still paying off legal fees from firing a former Local President who was caught stealing money from the Union. He was caught, fired, and had to Replace what was stolen.

However, I will say that with what I see in most businesses today, I wouldn't have enough faith or trust in them not to have a Union contract backing me up.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

....Conclusion: You are required by law to treat non-members the same as members when it comes to applying and enforcing the labor-management agreement. However, regarding issues that can be raised in a forum other than the negotiated grievance procedure you can restrict representation to members only . If you doubt what I say I urge you to check with a labor attorney.

Belief or non-belief is irrelevant. There is no circumstance where I would represent a non-paying member. I don't believe there are any other Stewards or Union Leaders in the Union who would either. I'd lose my job over it, thank you very much.

It's not just about you. If management fires an employee without just cause and you refuse to file a grievance on his behalf because he is not a union member, what do you think will happen? I will tell you. He will sue your union and your union will lose.

Look, I don't give a royal fuck what happens to you personally if you disobey the law. You're an adult and you are willing to face the consequences of your actions and I find that admirable. However, when your ego-driven personal agenda puts your own union at risk I have a problem.

At any rate, I did my best to inform you what the law says and I am done with you and this thread.

i was a member of the NALC in the PO and that's the way it was with them; you had to defend the non union guys or you will have a problem...........

If the letter carriers have the right to strike, there's no excuse for not doing that in order to exclude the scabs from all contracted benefits and pay raises.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I work with several former Northwest Airlines employees. Their union screwed them over, screwed over the Airline, and basically took all they could from everyone involved. I watched as that Union was broken and "scabs" were hired to do the same job, for lots less. Funny thing about those guys, none of them would support organizing and joining a union now. We're a non-union shop and are most likely to stay that way. If you want a better raise, enhance your skills, volunteer for any training the company provides, take on additional duties, and guess what? I'm one of a handful of workers who got raises this year because we do just that. If all you want to do is pour oil and hand tools to another technician, you get the pay you negotiated.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The maverick with a million dollar idea and the passion to implement it, not welcome. The eager young upstart, anxious to give his family a secure financial foundation, not welcome. The guy who sees a situation and has a better way to get more done faster, not welcome.

They're all welcome, so long as they're willing to follow,the rules. The young man with the family us much more likely to find a stsble CAREER prividing income and benegits for his fsmily in the Union than outside it.

In short, unions seek to punish innovation and risk taking. In fact, the creation of unions relied on the very kinds of people they would not welcome today.

Not true. Those who created Unions did so to protect the average worker. Exactly what Unions do today.

Not everyone wants to be the boss, the innovator or take the chances. Many of us simply want to know what our job is, what the expectations are, and what the benefits for doing it will be. We're content bring the Workers. We just don't want to get screwed over by the people who own/run the company. We don't want to run it, but since we're the ones on the factory floor, in the call center, or in the field, who better for the Ivory Tower Owner to partner with than the Unionized workers to make sure things run properly?

I'm not saying it's for everyone or every job. I'm not saying it's a Utopia or that there aren't bad Unions or bad Union Leaders out there. My Local is still paying off legal fees from firing a former Local President who was caught stealing money from the Union. He was caught, fired, and had to Replace what was stolen.

However, I will say that with what I see in most businesses today, I wouldn't have enough faith or trust in them not to have a Union contract backing me up.

,unbelievable how lazy you are and justify it


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[Markle]

"Right to be exploited", more like.

Look at workers in Western Europe, and how their unions got them paid parental leave, shorter work weeks, better benefits, unlimited sick time, and ultimately....higher productivity.

And failing economies and lower productivity.

 

[Markle]

Ever think that maybe they never wanted it in the first place?

Then don't apply for a Union job. Very simple.

I was forced into a union once as a teenager working as a bag boy in a grocery store. Cost me a LOT of money. Never again supported unions.

 

[Markle]

i dont know what PO you are talking about but the one i worked in you had a route to do in hopefully 8 hours and if you gave it 60% you were no longer a carrier......

So you had to give 61% whoop di doo!

Every post office I've ever been has employees moving at the same rate of slow motion. There can be no people in line behind you or twenty with two stations open. Give them a ticket for a certified letter, and their stroll is the same for both.

This is what plays next to the practice treadmill.

 

[Markle]

No, it takes away the opportunity for an enterprising employee to demonstrate his value to the company and be rewarded for it. Basically, it turns every employee into a mindless drone who works for the union, not the company.

Actually, in many Union contracts the Union DOES own the jobs. Suckups and Brown-Nosers don't belong in the Union.

Nor does anyone with goals and motivation.

No, it takes away the opportunity for an enterprising employee to demonstrate his value to the company and be rewarded for it. Basically, it turns every employee into a mindless drone who works for the union, not the company.

Actually, in many Union contracts the Union DOES own the jobs. Suckups and Brown-Nosers don't belong in the Union.

Only the mediocre belong?

Mediocre need not apply. No one that motivated is welcome.

Here are Detroit, union auto workers during their lunch break as they hit the parking lot for a dash to their favorite place in the woods to booze it up, smoke a few marijuana cigarets and whatever other drugs are handy. The union protects them from being canned even though they come back a danger to the workplace.

 

[initforme]

So the key then is open your own business and do not hire workers. Most american employers are bad employers so with or without a union you are screwed. This I stake my life on.

 

[danielpalos]

So the key then is open your own business and do not hire workers. Most american employers are bad employers so with or without a union you are screwed. This I stake my life on.

Don't be lazy right wingers; do more of it yourself and reduce labor costs.

 

[ding]

So the key then is open your own business and do not hire workers. Most american employers are bad employers so with or without a union you are screwed. This I stake my life on.

Don't be lazy right wingers; do more of it yourself and reduce labor costs.

Mike Rowe thinks ‘hard work’ shouldn’t be a conservative vs. liberal issue. But it is.

 

[danielpalos]

So the key then is open your own business and do not hire workers. Most american employers are bad employers so with or without a union you are screwed. This I stake my life on.

Don't be lazy right wingers; do more of it yourself and reduce labor costs.

Mike Rowe thinks ‘hard work’ shouldn’t be a conservative vs. liberal issue. But it is.

It is political to the extent it is Only about having enough capital to not need a work ethic from the Age of Iron; unlike the poor.

 

[ding]

So the key then is open your own business and do not hire workers. Most american employers are bad employers so with or without a union you are screwed. This I stake my life on.

Don't be lazy right wingers; do more of it yourself and reduce labor costs.

Mike Rowe thinks ‘hard work’ shouldn’t be a conservative vs. liberal issue. But it is.

It is political to the extent it is Only about having enough capital to not need a work ethic from the Age of Iron; unlike the poor.

Conmen tell you what you want to hear. Friends tell you what you don't want to hear.