GOP strategy - disrupted Dem town hall meetings

[Ravi]

Speaking out at public meetings shouldn't be considered 'disruptive.' Problem comes if the public is not given fair chances to speak also. Funny thing, it's quite easy to write letters to congressmen, but get a form letter back. More imput seems to be wanted, those that want to be reelected should at least listen and consider.

Speaking out at public meetings?

You must be kidding me!

They tried to pack the audience and shout down the speaker. The opposite of freedom of speech.

But don't worry. They are being called on their bullshit.

You boy are a f'ing idiot. Sorry about that, I know you are not worth responding to, just really pissed off at the action and the sheeple reaction. True fuktards you are part of.

Oh, the irony.

 

[DiveCon]

Speaking out at public meetings?

You must be kidding me!

They tried to pack the audience and shout down the speaker. The opposite of freedom of speech.

But don't worry. They are being called on their bullshit.

You boy are a f'ing idiot. Sorry about that, I know you are not worth responding to, just really pissed off at the action and the sheeple reaction. True fuktards you are part of.

Oh, the irony.

yeah, the irony is SO thick
ravi the moron sticking up for chris the moron

 

[Zoom-boing]

I agree.

Bring back competition. I think that you'll find out that the prices will come down when people won't pay the huge prices.

why would a couple in their 50's need coverage for pregnancy?
or a single man for that matter
they need to start offering these things "a la cart" so to speak
if you dont want to pay for coverage for say cataracts, why be forced to pay for it
of course, should you develope them later you should be able to add that to your coverage, but if no one in your family has ever had them, you're not likely to need it anyway

serious, you can do it with car insurance you should be able to do it with health insurance.

I've said this several times. Why don't they change health insurance so it's more like car insurance? Change the packaging, change how structure of it, how it's offered, etc. That's reform.

 

[Zoom-boing]

I agree.

Bring back competition. I think that you'll find out that the prices will come down when people won't pay the huge prices.

why would a couple in their 50's need coverage for pregnancy?
or a single man for that matter
they need to start offering these things "a la cart" so to speak
if you dont want to pay for coverage for say cataracts, why be forced to pay for it
of course, should you develope them later you should be able to add that to your coverage, but if no one in your family has ever had them, you're not likely to need it anyway

Don't start talking a la carte My friend. I'll start going off on tangents about My cable service provider and that won't be pretty.

I called Comcast about changing their packaging to ala carte. They just said I'd pay more. Really? Cause I'd only pay for what I watched, which is the basic channels and about 15 others. I'd save a bundle . . . which is why they won't do it. I want less channels for less money and all I get are more channels and a higher bill. But they tell me it's a deal.

 

[Navy1960]

This concept of "busted" is one formulated by whom? the DNC, or the several minion organizations that are incapable of self thought when it comes to issues. I have already decided that according to the DNC and the president that anyone who protests and uses their first Amendment right to speak out that is at a function constitutes more than one person is now a "mob" and are paid lobbyists there to subvert a message. So next time I see an anti-war protestor, torture protestor, environmental protestor, if I don't happen to agree with them I will of course apply the Obama/DNC standard when it comes to the constitution. If this sounds totally silly, then consider the fact the DNC has made the choice to single out Americans that don't agree with them and according to Saul Alinsky attack the messanger rather than the message. If you believe this is an American value then sadly I submit you or anyone who believes this knowns little of what it is to be an American. While the retort will be , "this is simply a political tactic" that does not make it honorable , in fact it sheds further light on the need to reform a process very much taken over by special interest rather than one that should reflect the will of the American people and contrary to some posters on here, while there may be a large support for healthcare reform, do not read into that as being large support for universal healthcare because guess what those polls shows the exact opposite.

 

[Bfgrn]

This concept of "busted" is one formulated by whom? the DNC, or the several minion organizations that are incapable of self thought when it comes to issues. I have already decided that according to the DNC and the president that anyone who protests and uses their first Amendment right to speak out that is at a function constitutes more than one person is now a "mob" and are paid lobbyists there to subvert a message. So next time I see an anti-war protestor, torture protestor, environmental protestor, if I don't happen to agree with them I will of course apply the Obama/DNC standard when it comes to the constitution. If this sounds totally silly, then consider the fact the DNC has made the choice to single out Americans that don't agree with them and according to Saul Alinsky attack the messanger rather than the message. If you believe this is an American value then sadly I submit you or anyone who believes this knowns little of what it is to be an American. While the retort will be , "this is simply a political tactic" that does not make it honorable , in fact it sheds further light on the need to reform a process very much taken over by special interest rather than one that should reflect the will of the American people and contrary to some posters on here, while there may be a large support for healthcare reform, do not read into that as being large support for universal healthcare because guess what those polls shows the exact opposite.

Here's one of many Navy...

The Cost of Doing Nothing

Why the Cost of Failing to Fix Our Health System Is Greater than the Cost of Reform

By Elizabeth Carpenter, Sarah Axeen, New America Foundation
New America Foundation | November 13, 2008

Introduction
The U.S. health care system is in crisis. Health care costs too much; we often get too little in exchange for our health care dollar; and tens of millions of Americans are uninsured.

Our economy loses hundreds of billions of dollars every year because of the diminished health and shorter lifespan of the uninsured. Rising health care costs undermine the ability of U.S. firms to compete internationally, threaten the stability of American jobs, and place increasing strain on local, state, and federal budgets. As health care costs continue to rise faster than wages, health insurance becomes more and more unaffordable for more and more American families every day.

Yet, the recent financial services meltdown has led some people to suggest that we cannot afford health reform and that fixing our broken health care system will have to wait once again. But waiting comes with a price. The crisis worsens every day that we do not act. Premiums will continue to rise; Americans will continue to pay more for less-generous health coverage; and fewer employers will offer health insurance to their workers.

We must reform our struggling health system not in spite of our economic crisis, but rather because of the impact health care has on the American economy. The economic and social impact of inaction is high and it will only rise over time.

Economic Cost
The economic cost of failing to fix our broken health care system is greater than the upfront expense of comprehensive health reform. In 2006, our economy lost as much as $200 billion because of the poor health and shorter lifespan of the uninsured. This is by most estimates as much as, if not greater than, the public costs of ensuring all Americans have quality, affordable, health coverage. The economies in California, Texas, and Florida suffer most from productivity loses stemming from the uninsured. Yet, Delaware’s economy loses more per uninsured person -- over $6,800 per uninsured resident.

Affordability
As health care costs continue to grow faster than wages, health insurance will become more and more unaffordable for more and more American families every day. The financial burdens associated with health care and health insurance will only get worse over time without action.The cost of the average employer-sponsored health insurance plan (ESI) for a family will reach $24,000 in 2016. This represents an 84 percent increase over 2008 premium levels. Under this scenario, we estimate that at least half of American households will need to spend more than 45 percent of their income to buy health insurance.

New Mexico, Maine, and South Carolina will see the greatest increases in the cost of family policies over the next eight years. In Maine, the average family employer-sponsored insurance policy will top $30,000 by 2016. According to our estimates, households in South Carolina, Louisiana, and Maine will have to spend the greatest shares of their income in order to purchase health insurance in 2016. Half of households in South Carolina will have to spend more than 62 percent of their incomes to buy health insurance in 2016.

Coverage
The financial protection offered by health insurance coverage will continue to deteriorate if we do not act. Americans will pay more for less and copayments and deductibles will rise. The average deductible nationwide will increase 73 percent to almost $2,700 by 2016. Average copayments will climb to $30.

Residents from Delaware and Vermont will see the biggest difference in their deductibles in 2016. Rising deductibles combined with higher premiums will make many Americans financially vulnerable to high health care bills. Residents of New Mexico, Massachusetts, and Hawaii will notice the biggest difference in how much they pay when they see a doctor in 2016. In New Mexico, a single office visit could cost an insured patient almost $50.

Conclusion
U.S. businesses, governments, and American families have all demonstrated that health care reform is a vital component of their long-term economic stability. Our nation will recover from its current financial services crisis, and when it does the U.S. will still be faced with a crumbling health system. As the data in this report shows, the cost of failing to act is high and it will only rise over time.

For the full text of this report and the accompanying state profiles, click here. Additionally, our new "State of State Health" website lets you explore and compare states on a wide range of metrics.

Attachment
Policy Paper: The Cost of Doing Nothing (125 pp.) 496.92 KB
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Hey Navy...Camus said: It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

HERE is the organization that published and distributed the "memo"... this is NOT some spontaneous grass root movement...it is corporate interests and money using obtuse citizens as their minions. BTW, if this "conservative" organization promotes using Alinsky tactics, then they are now THEIR tactics...

"Use the Alinsky playbook of which the Left is so fond: freeze it, attack it, personalize it, and polarize it." in the FreedomWorks memo

FreedomWorks, founded in 1984 and described as a 501c4 "grassroots organization," is chaired by former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey. The organization's President is Matt Kibbe. FreedomWorks was formed in 2004 when Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America.

Dick Armey is the Chairman of FreedomWorks (previously Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), and co-chairman of the Alliance for Retirement Prosperity. A lifelong Republican, Armey served as Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2002.

Astroturfing activities
Dick Armey's organization, FreedomWorks was behind the creation of a fake grassroots web site called Angryrenter.com which rallies opposition to "the Obama Housing Bailout." The site urges people to oppose bailing out mortgage companies. The site claims to represent "Renters and responsible homeowners against a government mortgage bailout."

Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) is a powerful industry-funded think tank, promoting deregulation. It was founded by Koch Industries interests and continues to maintain strong links. In 2003, an internal rift between CSE and its affiliated Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation led to a split in which CSEF was renamed as a separate organization, called Americans For Prosperity.

In July 2004, CSE announced it was merging with Empower America to create FreedomWorks.

CSE is often described as a "consumer group," but according to internal documents leaked to the Washington Post, 85 percent of its 1998 funding came from major corporations. "The 'citizens' in question [are] companies like Amoco, Bell Atlantic, Citibank, General Electric and General Motors", Washington Babylon explains (p. 15). "During recent years, the CSE, headed by C. Boyden Gray, who acted as counsel to the president under George W. Bush, has opposed health care reform and a rise in the minimum wage, while championing corporate tax cuts, deregulation and a balanced budget."
sourcewatch

 

[Maple]

I don't see where anyone is being bused to these town hall meetings, would you please provide the proof of your accusations.

 

[Maple]

we just don't want a takeover of 7% of our economy by a government that has over and over again proven that it is incapable of running anything efficiently. Example, Social Security, Medicare all broke.

This can be done in the private sector.
1. Tort reform- a must, costs billions of dollars a year. Doctors will perform every test known to man to keep from being sued. Doctors pay exhorbidant mal practice insurance which is then passed back on to us in the form of higher fees for service.

2. Open up competition- being able to choose out of state insurance instead of locking up 1 or 2 carriers per state.

3. Everyone should be required to purchase individual high deductible catastrophic insurance. The poor can do so on a sliding scale according to thier income.
Should they already have insurance through their employer they can keep it and not purchase this policy.

4. Health savings plan- pre - tax dollars that are set aside for those that have catastrophic plans that pay for doctor's visits and medications. If they don't use this and have had preventative care, yearly checkups, they can keep the remainder and spend it on what they want. If they have not done the preventaive care, this amount should be deducted and taken back into the state treasury. Thereby, insuring that people are doing preventative care and eliminating those people who run to the doctor for a hang nail and over burdening our health care providers.

5. Legislate- regulate insurance companies so that they can not deny coverage if someone gets sick and pass laws that they can not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.

These are some ideas, but to have a government run system that will ensure failure at an expense that this country can not and will never be able to afford is insanity.

Do you reallly want a government employee dictating to you and your family about your health care, because if you do, I want you to go to your local social security office and see how these government employees treat you. It's downright despicable.

 

[Navy1960]

This concept of "busted" is one formulated by whom? the DNC, or the several minion organizations that are incapable of self thought when it comes to issues. I have already decided that according to the DNC and the president that anyone who protests and uses their first Amendment right to speak out that is at a function constitutes more than one person is now a "mob" and are paid lobbyists there to subvert a message. So next time I see an anti-war protestor, torture protestor, environmental protestor, if I don't happen to agree with them I will of course apply the Obama/DNC standard when it comes to the constitution. If this sounds totally silly, then consider the fact the DNC has made the choice to single out Americans that don't agree with them and according to Saul Alinsky attack the messanger rather than the message. If you believe this is an American value then sadly I submit you or anyone who believes this knowns little of what it is to be an American. While the retort will be , "this is simply a political tactic" that does not make it honorable , in fact it sheds further light on the need to reform a process very much taken over by special interest rather than one that should reflect the will of the American people and contrary to some posters on here, while there may be a large support for healthcare reform, do not read into that as being large support for universal healthcare because guess what those polls shows the exact opposite.

Here's one of many Navy...

The Cost of Doing Nothing

Why the Cost of Failing to Fix Our Health System Is Greater than the Cost of Reform

By Elizabeth Carpenter, Sarah Axeen, New America Foundation
New America Foundation | November 13, 2008

Introduction
The U.S. health care system is in crisis. Health care costs too much; we often get too little in exchange for our health care dollar; and tens of millions of Americans are uninsured.

Our economy loses hundreds of billions of dollars every year because of the diminished health and shorter lifespan of the uninsured. Rising health care costs undermine the ability of U.S. firms to compete internationally, threaten the stability of American jobs, and place increasing strain on local, state, and federal budgets. As health care costs continue to rise faster than wages, health insurance becomes more and more unaffordable for more and more American families every day.

Yet, the recent financial services meltdown has led some people to suggest that we cannot afford health reform and that fixing our broken health care system will have to wait once again. But waiting comes with a price. The crisis worsens every day that we do not act. Premiums will continue to rise; Americans will continue to pay more for less-generous health coverage; and fewer employers will offer health insurance to their workers.

We must reform our struggling health system not in spite of our economic crisis, but rather because of the impact health care has on the American economy. The economic and social impact of inaction is high and it will only rise over time.

Economic Cost
The economic cost of failing to fix our broken health care system is greater than the upfront expense of comprehensive health reform. In 2006, our economy lost as much as $200 billion because of the poor health and shorter lifespan of the uninsured. This is by most estimates as much as, if not greater than, the public costs of ensuring all Americans have quality, affordable, health coverage. The economies in California, Texas, and Florida suffer most from productivity loses stemming from the uninsured. Yet, Delaware’s economy loses more per uninsured person -- over $6,800 per uninsured resident.

Affordability
As health care costs continue to grow faster than wages, health insurance will become more and more unaffordable for more and more American families every day. The financial burdens associated with health care and health insurance will only get worse over time without action.The cost of the average employer-sponsored health insurance plan (ESI) for a family will reach $24,000 in 2016. This represents an 84 percent increase over 2008 premium levels. Under this scenario, we estimate that at least half of American households will need to spend more than 45 percent of their income to buy health insurance.

New Mexico, Maine, and South Carolina will see the greatest increases in the cost of family policies over the next eight years. In Maine, the average family employer-sponsored insurance policy will top $30,000 by 2016. According to our estimates, households in South Carolina, Louisiana, and Maine will have to spend the greatest shares of their income in order to purchase health insurance in 2016. Half of households in South Carolina will have to spend more than 62 percent of their incomes to buy health insurance in 2016.

Coverage
The financial protection offered by health insurance coverage will continue to deteriorate if we do not act. Americans will pay more for less and copayments and deductibles will rise. The average deductible nationwide will increase 73 percent to almost $2,700 by 2016. Average copayments will climb to $30.

Residents from Delaware and Vermont will see the biggest difference in their deductibles in 2016. Rising deductibles combined with higher premiums will make many Americans financially vulnerable to high health care bills. Residents of New Mexico, Massachusetts, and Hawaii will notice the biggest difference in how much they pay when they see a doctor in 2016. In New Mexico, a single office visit could cost an insured patient almost $50.

Conclusion
U.S. businesses, governments, and American families have all demonstrated that health care reform is a vital component of their long-term economic stability. Our nation will recover from its current financial services crisis, and when it does the U.S. will still be faced with a crumbling health system. As the data in this report shows, the cost of failing to act is high and it will only rise over time.

For the full text of this report and the accompanying state profiles, click here. Additionally, our new "State of State Health" website lets you explore and compare states on a wide range of metrics.

Attachment
Policy Paper: The Cost of Doing Nothing (125 pp.) 496.92 KB
---------------------------------------------------------------



Hey Navy...Camus said: It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

HERE is the organization that published and distributed the "memo"... this is NOT some spontaneous grass root movement...it is corporate interests and money using obtuse citizens as their minions. BTW, if this "conservative" organization promotes using Alinsky tactics, then they are now THEIR tactics...

"Use the Alinsky playbook of which the Left is so fond: freeze it, attack it, personalize it, and polarize it." in the FreedomWorks memo

FreedomWorks, founded in 1984 and described as a 501c4 "grassroots organization," is chaired by former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey. The organization's President is Matt Kibbe. FreedomWorks was formed in 2004 when Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America.

Dick Armey is the Chairman of FreedomWorks (previously Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), and co-chairman of the Alliance for Retirement Prosperity. A lifelong Republican, Armey served as Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2002.

Astroturfing activities
Dick Armey's organization, FreedomWorks was behind the creation of a fake grassroots web site called Angryrenter.com which rallies opposition to "the Obama Housing Bailout." The site urges people to oppose bailing out mortgage companies. The site claims to represent "Renters and responsible homeowners against a government mortgage bailout."

Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) is a powerful industry-funded think tank, promoting deregulation. It was founded by Koch Industries interests and continues to maintain strong links. In 2003, an internal rift between CSE and its affiliated Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation led to a split in which CSEF was renamed as a separate organization, called Americans For Prosperity.

In July 2004, CSE announced it was merging with Empower America to create FreedomWorks.

CSE is often described as a "consumer group," but according to internal documents leaked to the Washington Post, 85 percent of its 1998 funding came from major corporations. "The 'citizens' in question [are] companies like Amoco, Bell Atlantic, Citibank, General Electric and General Motors", Washington Babylon explains (p. 15). "During recent years, the CSE, headed by C. Boyden Gray, who acted as counsel to the president under George W. Bush, has opposed health care reform and a rise in the minimum wage, while championing corporate tax cuts, deregulation and a balanced budget."
sourcewatch

Never in any posting have I ever denied the fact that healthcare reform should be just ignored. In fact I suspect that if you actually asked most people you would find that most Americans think reforming healthcare and bringing down costs so that those that wish to purchase it at decent rates is a good thing. However as I mentioned above and in several other postings where many part company on this issue is the need to do it through a public offering that is taxpayer funded and it beyond the authority of our Govt. to do. While we can all agree that special interest has a been involved in legislative matters on both sides and will continue it's a little bit of a stretch to suggest that this Americans who rightfully for whatever reason are expressing themselves are somehow all associated with some group and are acting enmasse because some don't happen to agree with them. I find i completely amazing that people who just one year ago who would have called Bush on the carpet for even suggesting that Americans protesting his war efforts were somehow all part of some vast paid for DNC plant are now doing the same thing to these people who are upset over the proposed healthcare legislation. This legislation thats pending needs to reflect the desires of all americans and not just some americans as it will have an effect on all of us. So to even atempt to exclude anyone be they in favor of it or against it is to me highly dishonorable and I would say the same thing to those who would attempt to suggest that those who desire to have healthcare are somehow less than honorable for doing so.

 

[Missourian]

When the "manufactured" outrage the Left is trying to demonize lines up so inconveniently with public polling, it's sometimes necessary to create evidence for the "manufactured" storyline.

Enter Think Progress

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...story-with-putative-smoking-gun-mob-memo.html

 

[DiveCon]

When the "manufactured" outrage the Left is trying to demonize lines up so inconveniently with public polling, it's sometimes necessary to create evidence for the "manufactured" storyline.

Enter Think Progress

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...story-with-putative-smoking-gun-mob-memo.html

thinkprogress are a bunch of LIARS

 

[Sweet Willy]

When the "manufactured" outrage the Left is trying to demonize lines up so inconveniently with public polling, it's sometimes necessary to create evidence for the "manufactured" storyline.

Enter Think Progress

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...story-with-putative-smoking-gun-mob-memo.html

thinkprogress are a bunch of LIARS

The memo is real. We have the author of it now don't we?

 

[keee keee]

here is a list of problems with this bill. Ask the representative about these pages and ask them if they even read the healthcare bill HR 3200. This should rattle their cage and send them running The taxpayer was not suppose to know any of this. These moron have woken a sleeping giant. the people will not forget this in 2010 election. I know I am counting the day to vote and send all incumbnents packing!!!
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will te ll YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay). ß CHECK THIS OUT!!!!*****************
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Line s 1-3 Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. They will insert Government into your marriage.
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Gov’t will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 Gov’t may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US including your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-1 0 The “Center” will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can you say unions & ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Gov’t will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Gov’t know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, Govt will transfer $$ from to other Govt Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 628 Sec 1443 Gov’t will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Gov’t may implement any “Quality measure” of HC Services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Gov’t wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Gov’t will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Pg 676-686 Gov’t will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the Gov’t with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of HC plan isn’t in Gov’t HC Exchange but you qualify for Fed aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secr gets complaints (ACORN) on HC provider or supplier, Gov’t can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 Gov’t MANDATES Doctors must have face to face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Svcs.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Gov’t certifications will apply to Medicaid & CHIP (your kids)
PG 724 Lines 16-22 Gov’t reserves rt to apply face to face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 Gov’t sets guide lines for subsidizing the uninsured (Thats your tax dollars people)
Pg 757-762 Fed gov’t will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin
Pg 765 Sec 1711 Gov’t will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Gov’t – Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Svcs include-economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Govt ABORTIONS anyone
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Gov’t mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 Gov’t will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control Drs’ education.
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. to register. Gov’t takes over private payment sys.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Govt will identify individ. ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Govt Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Gov’t will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Gov’t for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Gov’t will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Prog. includes Gov’t coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Gov’t will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s Billion.
Pg 865 The Gov’t will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs.
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.
PG 935 21-22 Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!
PG 936 Govt will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards” Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Gov’t? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOV’T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 Gov’t will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

 

[DiveCon]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...story-with-putative-smoking-gun-mob-memo.html

thinkprogress are a bunch of LIARS

The memo is real. We have the author of it now don't we?

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

 

[Sweet Willy]

thinkprogress are a bunch of LIARS

The memo is real. We have the author of it now don't we?

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

 

[Chris]

The memo is real. We have the author of it now don't we?

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

They did the same thing with the tea baggers.

It won't work.

The real problem is the $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS the healthcare industry has given to Congress. That is what is holding us back.

And these people are being manipulated by the right to do the bidding of greedy corporations thanks to FoxNews.

FoxNews is really evil.

 

[DiveCon]

The memo is real. We have the author of it now don't we?

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

so, FIVE people got ALL this attention?
if thats the case, you guys are in SERIOUS trouble come 2010

 

[DiveCon]

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

They did the same thing with the tea baggers.

It won't work.

The real problem is the $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS the healthcare industry has given to Congress. That is what is holding us back.

And these people are being manipulated by the right to do the bidding of greedy corporations thanks to FoxNews.

FoxNews is really evil.

and you are a fucking moron

 

[Fatality]

so, they took a memo from a guy that was sent to a grand total of FIVE people and made it into something it wasnt
thats LYING

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

so, FIVE people got ALL this attention?
if thats the case, you guys are in SERIOUS trouble come 2010

thats right, just think what would happen if 10 people got in on the action. liberals are fucking assclowns

 

[DiveCon]

I don't know how many people it was sent to. But it is a real memo, with a real plan of how to assemble as many people as you can and go yell and shout at your rep.

so, FIVE people got ALL this attention?
if thats the case, you guys are in SERIOUS trouble come 2010

thats right, just think what would happen if 10 people got in on the action. liberals are fucking assclowns

i joined the guys facebook
if the dems are that scared of him, i wanna know him
LOL