Gosnell... Abortion Atrocities

[koshergrl]

"Medicaid covers abortion in 15 states in the U.S. If you live in one of the states below, click on the state name to be taken to some instructions about how to enroll in Medicaid quickly. If you want to use Medicaid to cover your abortion, you must live in and have your abortion in the same state."

Can Medicaid cover my abortion? | Fund Abortion Now.org

Hey ,you found my site. You actually bothered to read it.

Too bad you didn't understand it.

15 states that do mean 35 states don't.

One of those states is Pennsylvania, where Gosnell operated.

I'm sorry, weirdo, didn't you say that we don't fund abortion?

 

[Jroc]

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Prosecutor on Handling Abortionist's 'Stained' Files: 'You Might Want to Use Gloves' | CNS News

Dude, is this like porn to you. It seems like you are getting off reposting this stuff.

No one is debating that Gosnell wasn't incompetent and what he did wasn't horrible.

We just aren't letting you use it to attack the right to choose dishonestly.

Just pointing out what you defend abortion, killing isn't pretty.

 

[JoeB131]

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Should I really go on?

Can Medicaid cover my abortion? | Fund Abortion Now.org

Should you? What point is it you are trying to make here, if any?

Again, I stated very clearly, 15 states fund abortion through Medicaid. 35 and the Federal government don't.

Including PA, which is the problem. These women couldn't get abortions paid for by MedicAid in a nice clean clinic in PA, so they went to Gosnell's Saw Movie clinic.

What the whole country looked like before Roe v. Wade, what third world countries like Philippines and Brazil look like. Which is why it should never be allowed to happen.

 

[JoeB131]

Prosecutor on Handling Abortionist's 'Stained' Files: 'You Might Want to Use Gloves' | CNS News

Dude, is this like porn to you. It seems like you are getting off reposting this stuff.

No one is debating that Gosnell wasn't incompetent and what he did wasn't horrible.

We just aren't letting you use it to attack the right to choose dishonestly.

Just pointing out what you defend abortion, killing isn't pretty.

Nope, it never is.

But what is your point here? That if you dwell on the gory details, you'll get people to agree we need to make women breeding machines against their will?

 

[koshergrl]

Actually, initially, you said we didn't pay for abortion.

You were lying then. And you're lying now. That's what you do.

 

[JoeB131]

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I'm sorry, weirdo, didn't you say that we don't fund abortion?

No, I stated very clearly the federal government doesn't, and most states don't.

Sorry if you are kind of dense and stupid.

Gosnell had a practice because he was all these poor women could afford.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, initially, you said we didn't pay for abortion.

You were lying then. And you're lying now. That's what you do.

I'm sorry I didn't have to spell everything out for you in minute detail, because you are kind of a high-functioning retard.

 

[koshergrl]

And you were lying, on both counts.

You're welcome, pervert.

 

[JoeB131]

And you were lying, on both counts.

You're welcome, pervert.

Ummm.... no, you just aren't comprehending facts very well.

PA and the Federal government don't pay for abortions. Which is why they went to Gosnell instead of a reputable clinic.

But that's okay, we know you hate women and want to see them get maimed...

 

[Spoonman]

"I can't even believe that I made this decision in the first place. It makes me sick!!! I felt pressured into this due to a bad relationship with my husband. Our families do not like our spouses so this would not be welcomed. I know selfish. I feel like I could have done this and that I should have just left when I wanted to! I am now suffering big time with depression as I suffer from being bipolar, have PTSD, anxiety and ADD. I take medication daily to control this. I have hidden all my medical illnesses and abortion from everyone due to their judgement. I have no one to talk to except my husband who just blows me off. He could care less about how I'm feeling or should I say suffering."

My Abortion Nightmare! : I Had An Abortion Story & Experience

" I was so excited and couldn't wait to tell him about it. I was about 6 or 7 weeks along. I told him and he seemed very upset. He told me there was no way he was going to have a child. Being totally against abortion, I told him no way. We seemed to get into more arguments, and the abuse seemed to get worse. I was determined to have this baby. I was about 12 weeks or so when the worst came. He told me if I didn't go get an abortion he would kill me. He actually held a gun to my head. We drove to some place in New Jersey. To this day I still don't know why I agreed, I think it was fear for my life and my family more then anything. His father was a Doctor and this was the office of one of his friends. It was a weekend and it seemed like there wasn't another person on the planet. I was so scared. I begged and pleaded telling him I wouldn't tell anyone it was his. He just told me to shut up and stop being such a baby; this kind of thing happens everyday.
When we got in there I begged the Doctor not to do it. He seemed to ignore me. I cried and begged. I remember having something restraining my arms and that's it. I don't have any actual memories of the procedure itself. The next thing I remember is waking up home in my apartment. Things only got worse from there. I bled so much I thought I was going to die, and I cried so much I eventually became numb. The beatings got worse. Finally, I got the strength to leave. No one knew about what I went through. I just thought if I didn't talk about it, it didn't happen."
Abortion - Forced Abortion by Holly Faust

Koshergrl, we all make decisions in our lives we are not happy with or later regret. I've made many myself. what is important is that we learn from them. understand what drove us to make them but ultimately learn to come to peace with them. we can't change the past. we can't undo what is done. but we can move forward on a positive note with what we learned from it. help ourselves in our future decisions and perhaps even help others it sounds like you have a lot of very stressful situations surrounding your relationship. that is bound to cause emotional issues for you because it is one area we really want to be a stable and positive force in our lives. I don't know what to say to help you there, but as far as the abortion goes, don't continue to beat yourself up over it. you know what your feelings are surrounding it. let that issue fall into the past.

Huh?

What does that have to do with killing babies? Killing a baby is wrong, and it is wrong to promote it. These women are forced/coerced/tricked into believing that killing their baby is the *right* thing to do...and by the time they realize they don't HAVE to and they shouldn't, it's too late, and they know it.

We need to stop preying upon vulnerable women. The abortion machine preys on vulnerable women. They lie to them and tell them that legalized, assembly line abortion is about *rights* and *health* when really, it's about the removal of rights, and it is in no way a *health* issue..except that it poses a significant health risk to the poor women who undergo it...and results in death for the babies they carry.

I thought that was you saying you had an abortion and it fucked up you life and has given you anxiety and everything. I was telling you not to continue to dwell on it.

 

[Jroc]

Dude, is this like porn to you. It seems like you are getting off reposting this stuff.

No one is debating that Gosnell wasn't incompetent and what he did wasn't horrible.

We just aren't letting you use it to attack the right to choose dishonestly.

Just pointing out what you defend abortion, killing isn't pretty.

Nope, it never is.

But what is your point here? That if you dwell on the gory details, you'll get people to agree we need to make women breeding machines against their will?

We should make abortion the last option and it should never be promoted (which is what you do) or used as birth control. the fewer abortions the better

 

[koshergrl]

Koshergrl, we all make decisions in our lives we are not happy with or later regret. I've made many myself. what is important is that we learn from them. understand what drove us to make them but ultimately learn to come to peace with them. we can't change the past. we can't undo what is done. but we can move forward on a positive note with what we learned from it. help ourselves in our future decisions and perhaps even help others it sounds like you have a lot of very stressful situations surrounding your relationship. that is bound to cause emotional issues for you because it is one area we really want to be a stable and positive force in our lives. I don't know what to say to help you there, but as far as the abortion goes, don't continue to beat yourself up over it. you know what your feelings are surrounding it. let that issue fall into the past.

Huh?

What does that have to do with killing babies? Killing a baby is wrong, and it is wrong to promote it. These women are forced/coerced/tricked into believing that killing their baby is the *right* thing to do...and by the time they realize they don't HAVE to and they shouldn't, it's too late, and they know it.

We need to stop preying upon vulnerable women. The abortion machine preys on vulnerable women. They lie to them and tell them that legalized, assembly line abortion is about *rights* and *health* when really, it's about the removal of rights, and it is in no way a *health* issue..except that it poses a significant health risk to the poor women who undergo it...and results in death for the babies they carry.

I thought that was you saying you had an abortion and it fucked up you life and has given you anxiety and everything. I was telling you not to continue to dwell on it.

Oh okay..no it was testimony of women regarding their abortions. Thanks for the consideration though.

 

[BlueGin]

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Actually that is a false statement. The woman that changed her mind and was tied down,drugged and forced to have an abortion... absolutely thought of hers as a "baby". In fact she later asked officials "did he do this to my baby too"? See...she didn't know ...bet she is now scarred for life.

Is this a true story? because frankly, I didn't see that in any of the coverage from legit sources.

Must be a consiracy.

I already posted the article in this thread. Followed by direct quotes taken from it. If you can't be bothered to read them...I sure as hell aint going to keep posting them for you. Quite dishonest aren't you? Big shock.

 

[JoeB131]

Just pointing out what you defend abortion, killing isn't pretty.

Nope, it never is.

But what is your point here? That if you dwell on the gory details, you'll get people to agree we need to make women breeding machines against their will?

We should make abortion the last option and it should never be promoted (which is what you do) or used as birth control. the fewer abortions the better

First, I don't "promote" it. I have no moral opinion on it one way or the other. It should be- and is for all practical purposes - the woman's choice. The ironic thing is, the plutocrats have been duping you religious whacks for 40 years on this, and you are no closer to banning abortion in 2013 than you were in 1973.

Second, given that you wingnuts on the right oppose universal health care, paid family and medical leave or any kind of social safety net, because it will just encourage "those people" to breed, it would seem if anyone promotes abortion, you do.

Again- the Philippines does everything you say. It's banned, it's socially frowned upon, etc. They still have more abortions per capita than the US. France does everything I say, and even though the abortions are free, their abortion rate is half ours per capita.

 

[JoeB131]

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Actually that is a false statement. The woman that changed her mind and was tied down,drugged and forced to have an abortion... absolutely thought of hers as a "baby". In fact she later asked officials "did he do this to my baby too"? See...she didn't know ...bet she is now scarred for life.

Is this a true story? because frankly, I didn't see that in any of the coverage from legit sources.

Must be a consiracy.

I already posted the article in this thread. Followed by direct quotes taken from it. If you can't be bothered to read them...I sure as hell aint going to keep posting them for you. Quite dishonest aren't you? Big shock.

Well, I usually ignore your and Koshies links because they are from religious whackjob cites.

 

[koshergrl]

Nope, it never is.

But what is your point here? That if you dwell on the gory details, you'll get people to agree we need to make women breeding machines against their will?

We should make abortion the last option and it should never be promoted (which is what you do) or used as birth control. the fewer abortions the better

First, I don't "promote" it. I have no moral opinion on it one way or the other. It should be- and is for all practical purposes - the woman's choice. The ironic thing is, the plutocrats have been duping you religious whacks for 40 years on this, and you are no closer to banning abortion in 2013 than you were in 1973.

Second, given that you wingnuts on the right oppose universal health care, paid family and medical leave or any kind of social safety net, because it will just encourage "those people" to breed, it would seem if anyone promotes abortion, you do.

Again- the Philippines does everything you say. It's banned, it's socially frowned upon, etc. They still have more abortions per capita than the US. France does everything I say, and even though the abortions are free, their abortion rate is half ours per capita.

Naw, you promote it. When you lie to make it appear benign, when you put false numbers and information out there as if it is fact, when you claim that abortion makes women happy...that is promoting abortion. When you claim it accomplishes things it doesn't, when you dismiss the facts by lying about what we do know...that is promoting it.

 

[koshergrl]

Is this a true story? because frankly, I didn't see that in any of the coverage from legit sources.

Must be a consiracy.

I already posted the article in this thread. Followed by direct quotes taken from it. If you can't be bothered to read them...I sure as hell aint going to keep posting them for you. Quite dishonest aren't you? Big shock.

Well, I usually ignore your and Koshies links because they are from religious whackjob cites.

You ignore facts, period. You're continually spouting blatant lies.

 

[JoeB131]

I already posted the article in this thread. Followed by direct quotes taken from it. If you can't be bothered to read them...I sure as hell aint going to keep posting them for you. Quite dishonest aren't you? Big shock.

Well, I usually ignore your and Koshies links because they are from religious whackjob cites.

You ignore facts, period. You're continually spouting blatant lies.

You guys don't present facts, you present opinions. Usually based on religious superstition instead of solid science.

The point is, none of the sensible reporting has accused Gosnell of strapping down a woman and performing an abortion on her, and he isn't charged with doing that.

It seems to me that if you guys stuck to what he's actually been indicted for and not all the things you've claimed he did, you'd have a very thin case.

 

[JoeB131]

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Naw, you promote it. When you lie to make it appear benign, when you put false numbers and information out there as if it is fact, when you claim that abortion makes women happy...that is promoting abortion. When you claim it accomplishes things it doesn't, when you dismiss the facts by lying about what we do know...that is promoting it.

I think your reading comprehension skills are poor if you think "relieved" means "happy".

Fact is, women have abortion of their own choice. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

If you want to talk about people who are lying to you, talk to the leaders of your own party who keep getting you worked up about it, and then do nothing about the subject.

 

[koshergrl]

Well, I usually ignore your and Koshies links because they are from religious whackjob cites.

You ignore facts, period. You're continually spouting blatant lies.

You guys don't present facts, you present opinions. Usually based on religious superstition instead of solid science.

The point is, none of the sensible reporting has accused Gosnell of strapping down a woman and performing an abortion on her, and he isn't charged with doing that.

It seems to me that if you guys stuck to what he's actually been indicted for and not all the things you've claimed he did, you'd have a very thin case.

Lol..see, that's a lie right there.

Face it joe, you're all done. You don't have any credit or friends here; you've exposed yourself as a lying, misogynistic, baby hating cretin. Well done.