Green New Deal

[Flopper]

It's really interesting that about 8 in 10 Americans believe the climate is changing, causing extreme weather.

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

With climate change we don't know if spending 1 trillion or 7 trillion will fix the problem.

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.

About all we know for sure is it will eventually radical change our climate and make a lot of the earth uninhabitable.

Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

IMHO, I believe most Americans will certainly endorse doing something but what something turns out to be is anybody's guess.

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.

Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

• Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
• Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
• Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
• Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
• A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
• Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
• A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
• A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
• Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
• Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

• It does not specify a date for elimination of fossil fuel. Therefore it is simply long term goal.
• There is no mention of nuclear energy
• There is no mention of eliminating cars or motor vehicles at all
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. - No such requirement
• Air travel is not addressed
• A government-guaranteed job. No, it only mentions high quality good paying jobs, not government
• Free education for life -No mention of free education but provide training, and high-quality education
• Free money - providing economic security does not mean free money
• Ban Meat - your assumption, not in the bill

It appears you have not even bothered to read the bill introduce in congress this year or wouldn't be making such asinine comments.
Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

 

[MAGAman]

We fought National Socialist back them. Now we have to fight Green Socialist.

The "national" wasn't a problem. The "green" is not problem neither. The "socialist" is the only problem.

So you believe Nazis were socialists, in other words you believe all right wing garbage propaganda LOL, brainwashed functional moron. Everyone outside your bubble of garbage propaganda define socialism as always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. See every socialist Party in modern rich countries... Only GOP dupes believe socialism is communism at this point. In the entire world. Also the only fools who deny global warming, progressive tax rates, Great American institutions like the FBI, and stupid Wars.

It's even in their name, moron.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Have you read their platform?

I take socialist for their words. You read NSDAP platform, it's like reading parts of Democrat party platform. No wonder why you like this "Green New Deal".

national socialists are relative right wingers when compared to liberal socialists.

National Socialists are Nazis and far right-wing fascists who should be shot on sight.

they have more in common with the right wing than the left wing.

they are relative right wingers compared to more liberal socialists on the left.

only the right wing never gets it.

No. They don't.

NAZI Germany was Socialism, Government a control of industry, control of speech.

NAZIs were Progressive before Progressive was chic in America.

 

[sparky]

ask them these simple questions: What are your goals, and how much will it cost us?

methinks Flopper nailed it>

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

what should be asked (and is somewhat addressed in the resolution) is what we have to LOOSE if we don't meet these goals

~S~

 

[Ambivalent1]

No need, you're a brainwashed idiot.

I am the product of thousands of years of study research journalism history writing, and civilization. You are the product of 30 years of corrupt ridiculous GOP propaganda, super dupe.

No son, you are the product of 20th Century revisionism.

Tell me View attachment 244996 what is this?

Your ridiculous propaganda and stupid assholes like you are the revisionism of the end of the 20th century, stupid. Who needs evidence or courtrooms LOL? So stupid...

What is this franco.

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Looks like a hammer d u h. What is your ridiculous brainwashed nonpoint?

How many things can you use a hammer for?

 

[basquebromance]

"we have had 2 major floods within 18 months of each other that are supposed to happen once every 1,000 years here in South Bend. that's why i support the Green Big Deal" - Mayor Pete Buttigieg, gay man running for president

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

 

[Norman]

Preliminary cost estimates are in, $7 Trillion. As with all government programs that estimate, no doubt, will double or triple.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is calling for a Green New Deal as the 'moonshot' of our generation. Here's everything we know about it so far.

We can afford that... 5 billion wall however...

 

[Norman]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

You need to get some guns... a communist just told you to put down the gun. That's the surest sign you will need it very shortly.

 

[danielpalos]

So you believe Nazis were socialists, in other words you believe all right wing garbage propaganda LOL, brainwashed functional moron. Everyone outside your bubble of garbage propaganda define socialism as always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. See every socialist Party in modern rich countries... Only GOP dupes believe socialism is communism at this point. In the entire world. Also the only fools who deny global warming, progressive tax rates, Great American institutions like the FBI, and stupid Wars.

yes, super dupe, Nazis and Communists like to call themselves socialists in their propaganda, but only dupes believe them anymore. For one thing they are extreme and totalitarian, never democratic. Socialism is always democratic and always needed to be somewhat democratic. That's why communism is no longer socialist.just look at the Socialist parties in democracies everywhere. They are not communist, those are called the Communist Party LOL. Jesus you people are dumb. Oops sorry brainwashed and ignorant. You certainly know all the details of all kinds of imaginary scandals and Misinformation.

Socialism is authoritarian system, not democratic.

Socialism, as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

I already explained it to you earlier, see post #1117.

By the way...

What's English translation of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei?

not democratic socialism.

National socialist German workers Party. Lie much?

not me; i resort to the fewest fallacies, for fun and practice.

national socialists are right wingers compared to more left wing, democratic socialists.

 

[RealDave]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

You need to get some guns... a communist just told you to put down the gun. That's the surest sign you will need it very shortly.

Look dickbrearh, I probably own more guns than both of you combined.

 

[SmokeALib]

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.



Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.

Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

• Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
• Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
• Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
• Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
• A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
• Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
• A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
• A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
• Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
• Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

• It does not specify a date for elimination of fossil fuel. Therefore it is simply long term goal.
• There is no mention of nuclear energy
• There is no mention of eliminating cars or motor vehicles at all
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. - No such requirement
• Air travel is not addressed
• A government-guaranteed job. No, it only mentions high quality good paying jobs, not government
• Free education for life -No mention of free education but provide training, and high-quality education
• Free money - providing economic security does not mean free money
• Ban Meat - your assumption, not in the bill

It appears you have not even bothered to read the bill introduce in congress this year or wouldn't be making such asinine comments.
Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're an idiot.

 

[RealDave]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

How is fighting AGW going back to slavery.

A Trumpette & a minimum wage fighting asshoile complaining about how someone pays is just too funny.

What will America be like when it becomes too hot & dry to grow crops in the bread belt?

 

[SmokeALib]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

You need to get some guns... a communist just told you to put down the gun. That's the surest sign you will need it very shortly.

Look dickbrearh, I probably own more guns than both of you combined.

How many squirtguns do you own?

 

[Thinker101]

It's really interesting that about 8 in 10 Americans believe the climate is changing, causing extreme weather.

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

With climate change we don't know if spending 1 trillion or 7 trillion will fix the problem.

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.

About all we know for sure is it will eventually radical change our climate and make a lot of the earth uninhabitable.

Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

IMHO, I believe most Americans will certainly endorse doing something but what something turns out to be is anybody's guess.

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

Okay, and what about the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that?

The point is no matter how much we spend, you will never see one environmentalist be happy. You will never see any noticeable changes in the earth. It's not a science, it's a theory that's unproven.

Compare that to our discussions of the wall. We have empirical evidence that walls and borders work. In spite of that evidence, you on the left still claim they don't. Now we have so-called climate change. It's absolutely correct because the climate always changes; been that way since God made the place, and without any proof whatsoever, you very same people are saying we are causing it.

I thought of an idea I got from Moooochele Obama. She conned her husband into making regulation that all food products served in restaurants have to include a calorie count. While that never made one fat kid skinny, I thought we should do the same only with Green costs. That's right, every product we buy should have a green cost on it.

If you buy a car for $25,000, it should have a sticker saying $8,000 of that car went to making it greener. Or a $800 snowblower. It should have a tag on it that $100.00 went to making that machine greener. A sticker on the gasoline pumps saying that out of the $2.25 you pay for each gallon of gasoline, 75 cents per gallon went to make it greener.

If people really knew what they actually pay for green, it wouldn't have the support it does, because every single product you buy today has an intrinsic green cost to it. Since it's hidden, people don't know about it. Trust me, I've been a truck driver for a long time. I see the tens of thousands of dollars my boss of our small company pays for green between the trucks, the fuel, the DEF fluid every single year. He has to pass that loss to our customers who make the products you and I buy in the store every time we go shopping.

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

Dang, so sorry that you'll have to get a job, dumbass.

 

[SmokeALib]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

How is fighting AGW going back to slavery.

A Trumpette & a minimum wage fighting asshoile complaining about how someone pays is just too funny.

What will America be like when it becomes too hot & dry to grow crops in the bread belt?

You're an idiot.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.



Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.

Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

• Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
• Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
• Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
• Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
• A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
• Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
• A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
• A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
• Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
• Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

• It does not specify a date for elimination of fossil fuel. Therefore it is simply long term goal.
• There is no mention of nuclear energy
• There is no mention of eliminating cars or motor vehicles at all
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. - No such requirement
• Air travel is not addressed
• A government-guaranteed job. No, it only mentions high quality good paying jobs, not government
• Free education for life -No mention of free education but provide training, and high-quality education
• Free money - providing economic security does not mean free money
• Ban Meat - your assumption, not in the bill

It appears you have not even bothered to read the bill introduce in congress this year or wouldn't be making such asinine comments.
Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're wrong, here is the original text of the Document, notice the words "10 year pplan"

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.

How is fighting AGW going back to slavery.

A Trumpette & a minimum wage fighting asshoile complaining about how someone pays is just too funny.

What will America be like when it becomes too hot & dry to grow crops in the bread belt?

You ask, I provide. November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.

Global warming 'could trigger alien attack'

Flashback 1989: UN Predicted Global Warming Would Destroy Entire Nations By 2000

FLASHBACK: ABC News Warns NYC Will Be Under Water by 2015 Due to Global Warming and Polar Bears Will Fall From Sky

 

[Ambivalent1]

ask them these simple questions: What are your goals, and how much will it cost us?

methinks Flopper nailed it>

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

what should be asked (and is somewhat addressed in the resolution) is what we have to LOOSE if we don't meet these goals

~S~

Flopper is simply denying what it actually says, here is the entire original text.

LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM. Overview  We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).  This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and a timeline. o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for all. It will:  Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy  Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs  Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries  Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.  Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:  A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security  High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools  Clean air and water and access to nature  Healthy food  High-quality health care  Safe, affordable, adequate housing  Economic environment free of monopolies  Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work  There is no time to waste. o IPCC Report said global emissions must be cut by by 40-60% by 2030. US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal.  Americans love a challenge. This is our moonshot. o When JFK said we’d go to the by the end of the decade, people said impossible. o If Eisenhower wanted to build the interstate highway system today, people would ask how we’d pay for it. o When FDR called on America to build 185,000 planes to fight World War 2, every business leader, CEO, and general laughed at him. At the time, the U.S. had produced 3,000 planes in the last year. By the end
of the war, we produced 300,000 planes. That’s what we are capable of if we have real leadership  This is massive investment in our economy and society, not expenditure. o We invested 40-50% of GDP into our economy during World War 2 and created the greatest middle class the US has seen. o The interstate highway system has returned more than $6 in economic productivity for every $1 it cost o This is massively expanding existing and building new industries at a rapid pace – growing our economy  The Green New Deal has momentum. o 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal o Nearly every major Democratic Presidential contender say they back the Green New deal including: Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Jeff Merkeley, Julian Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Jay Inslee. o 45 House Reps and 330+ groups backed the original resolution for a select committee o Over 300 local and state politicians have called for a federal Green New Deal o New Resolution has 20 co-sponsors, about 30 groups (numbers will change by Thursday).
FAQ Why 100% clean and renewable and not just 100% renewable? Are you saying we won’t transition off fossil fuels? Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases. Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy. Simply banning fossil fuels immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. We do this through a huge mobilization to create the renewable energy economy as fast as possible. We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero. Is nuclear a part of this? A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible. No one has put the full 10-year plan
together yet, and if it is possible to get to fully 100% renewable in 10 years, we will do that. Does this include a carbon tax? The Green New Deal is a massive investment in the production of renewable energy industries and infrastructure. We cannot simply tax gas and expect workers to figure out another way to get to work unless we’ve first created a better, more affordable option. So we’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal in the face of the gigantic expansion of our productive economy and would have to be preceded by first creating the solutions necessary so that workers and working class communities are not affected. While a carbon tax may be a part of the Green New Deal, it misses the point and would be off the table unless we create the clean, affordable options first. Does this include cap and trade? The Green New Deal is about creating the renewable energy economy through a massive investment in our society and economy. Cap and trade assumes the existing market will solve this problem for us, and that’s simply not true. While cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan to mobilize our economy, any cap and trade legislation will pale in comparison to the size of the mobilization and must recognize that existing legislation can incentivize companies to create toxic hotspots in frontline communities, so anything here must ensure that frontline communities are prioritized. Does a GND ban all new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear power plants? The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary. This is a massive mobilization of all our resources into renewable energies. It would simply not make sense to build new fossil fuel infrastructure because we will be creating a plan to reorient our entire economy to work off renewable energy. Simply banning fossil fuels and nuclear plants immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. Are you for CCUS? We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective. How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
Why do we need a sweeping Green New Deal investment program? Why can’t we just rely on regulations and taxes and the private sector to invest alone such as a carbon tax or a ban on fossil fuels?  The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.  The speed of investment required will be massive. Even if all the billionaires and companies could make the investments required, they would not be able to pull together a coordinated response in the narrow window of time required to jump-start major new projects and major new economic sectors. Also, private companies are wary of making massive investments in unproven research and technologies; the government, however, has the time horizon to be able to patiently make investments in new tech and R&D, without necessarily having a commercial outcome or application in mind at the time the investment is made. Major examples of government investments in “new” tech that subsequently spurred a boom in the private section include DARPAprojects, the creation of the internet - and, perhaps most recently, the government’s investment in Tesla.  Simply put, we don’t need to just stop doing some things we are doing (like using fossil fuels for energy needs); we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient). Starting to do new things requires some upfront investment. In the same way that a company that is trying to change how it does business may need to make big upfront capital investments today in order to reap future benefits (for e.g., building a new factory to increase production or buying new hardware and software to totally modernize its IT system), a country that is trying to change how its economy works will need to make big investments today to jump-start and develop new projects and sectors to power the new economy.  Merely incentivizing the private sector doesn’t work - e.g. the tax incentives and subsidies given to wind and solar projects have been a valuable spur to growth in the US renewables industry but, even with such investmentpromotion subsidies, the present level of such projects is simply inadequate to transition to a fully greenhouse gas neutral economy as quickly as needed.  Once again, we’re not saying that there isn’t a role for private sector investments; we’re just saying that the level of investment required will need every actor to pitch in and that the government is best placed to be the prime driver.
Resolution Summary  Created in consultation with multiple groups from environmental community, environmental justice community, and labor community  5 goals in 10 years:
o Net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers o Create millions of high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all o Invest in infrastructure and industry to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century o Clean air and water, climate and community resiliency, healthy food, access to nature, and a sustainable environment for all o Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities  National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy: o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related disasters o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum. o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy sources o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable access to electricity o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural ecosystems o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those emissions o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring about a global Green New Deal  Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account o Provide job training and education to all o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all

 

[RealDave]

It's really interesting that about 8 in 10 Americans believe the climate is changing, causing extreme weather.

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

With climate change we don't know if spending 1 trillion or 7 trillion will fix the problem.

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.

About all we know for sure is it will eventually radical change our climate and make a lot of the earth uninhabitable.

Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

IMHO, I believe most Americans will certainly endorse doing something but what something turns out to be is anybody's guess.

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.

Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

• Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
• Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
• Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
• Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
• A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
• Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
• A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
• A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
• Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
• Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

The Federalist. hahahahahahahaha

I'm thinking an EV with a solar charging station is cheaper than gasoline.

Nuclear is the most subsidized form of energy.

Going to EV is not the elimination of cars.

And then, OMG OMG OMG a safety net.

You people are too fucking stupid to read the GNP.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Gee, now why do you suppose they believe that?

We don't know if 100 trillion will fix the problem. The US spends more to clean up our messes than the rest of the world. Do you think the people in China or India are doing anything about it?

Green is a bottomless pit. All the money in the US can't fill it. But as we try, we keep taking more and more money out of circulation and that causes economic grief.



Would you like a couple of links of people saying the exact same thing years ago; predicting that New York would be under water, or that entire countries would disappear?

Of course they will endorse it. Green costs are intrinsic. We pay them without even knowing about it.

Question: Would you like to see us do things for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: Uh.......yeah, sure I would!

Honest question: Would you be willing to pay $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water?
Most Americans: The air and water is fine. I need my money.

If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.

There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.

Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

• Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
• Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
• Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
• Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
• Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
• A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
• Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
• A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
• A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
• Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
• Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

The Federalist. hahahahahahahaha

I'm thinking an EV with a solar charging station is cheaper than gasoline.

Nuclear is the most subsidized form of energy.

Going to EV is not the elimination of cars.

And then, OMG OMG OMG a safety net.

You people are too fucking stupid to read the GNP.

Twit, here's the full text of the original document.
LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM. Overview  We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).  This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and a timeline. o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for all. It will:  Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy  Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs  Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries  Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.  Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:  A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security  High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools  Clean air and water and access to nature  Healthy food  High-quality health care  Safe, affordable, adequate housing  Economic environment free of monopolies  Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work  There is no time to waste. o IPCC Report said global emissions must be cut by by 40-60% by 2030. US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal.  Americans love a challenge. This is our moonshot. o When JFK said we’d go to the by the end of the decade, people said impossible. o If Eisenhower wanted to build the interstate highway system today, people would ask how we’d pay for it. o When FDR called on America to build 185,000 planes to fight World War 2, every business leader, CEO, and general laughed at him. At the time, the U.S. had produced 3,000 planes in the last year. By the end
of the war, we produced 300,000 planes. That’s what we are capable of if we have real leadership  This is massive investment in our economy and society, not expenditure. o We invested 40-50% of GDP into our economy during World War 2 and created the greatest middle class the US has seen. o The interstate highway system has returned more than $6 in economic productivity for every $1 it cost o This is massively expanding existing and building new industries at a rapid pace – growing our economy  The Green New Deal has momentum. o 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal o Nearly every major Democratic Presidential contender say they back the Green New deal including: Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Jeff Merkeley, Julian Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Jay Inslee. o 45 House Reps and 330+ groups backed the original resolution for a select committee o Over 300 local and state politicians have called for a federal Green New Deal o New Resolution has 20 co-sponsors, about 30 groups (numbers will change by Thursday).
FAQ Why 100% clean and renewable and not just 100% renewable? Are you saying we won’t transition off fossil fuels? Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases. Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy. Simply banning fossil fuels immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. We do this through a huge mobilization to create the renewable energy economy as fast as possible. We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero. Is nuclear a part of this? A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible. No one has put the full 10-year plan
together yet, and if it is possible to get to fully 100% renewable in 10 years, we will do that. Does this include a carbon tax? The Green New Deal is a massive investment in the production of renewable energy industries and infrastructure. We cannot simply tax gas and expect workers to figure out another way to get to work unless we’ve first created a better, more affordable option. So we’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal in the face of the gigantic expansion of our productive economy and would have to be preceded by first creating the solutions necessary so that workers and working class communities are not affected. While a carbon tax may be a part of the Green New Deal, it misses the point and would be off the table unless we create the clean, affordable options first. Does this include cap and trade? The Green New Deal is about creating the renewable energy economy through a massive investment in our society and economy. Cap and trade assumes the existing market will solve this problem for us, and that’s simply not true. While cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan to mobilize our economy, any cap and trade legislation will pale in comparison to the size of the mobilization and must recognize that existing legislation can incentivize companies to create toxic hotspots in frontline communities, so anything here must ensure that frontline communities are prioritized. Does a GND ban all new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear power plants? The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary. This is a massive mobilization of all our resources into renewable energies. It would simply not make sense to build new fossil fuel infrastructure because we will be creating a plan to reorient our entire economy to work off renewable energy. Simply banning fossil fuels and nuclear plants immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. Are you for CCUS? We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective. How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
Why do we need a sweeping Green New Deal investment program? Why can’t we just rely on regulations and taxes and the private sector to invest alone such as a carbon tax or a ban on fossil fuels?  The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.  The speed of investment required will be massive. Even if all the billionaires and companies could make the investments required, they would not be able to pull together a coordinated response in the narrow window of time required to jump-start major new projects and major new economic sectors. Also, private companies are wary of making massive investments in unproven research and technologies; the government, however, has the time horizon to be able to patiently make investments in new tech and R&D, without necessarily having a commercial outcome or application in mind at the time the investment is made. Major examples of government investments in “new” tech that subsequently spurred a boom in the private section include DARPAprojects, the creation of the internet - and, perhaps most recently, the government’s investment in Tesla.  Simply put, we don’t need to just stop doing some things we are doing (like using fossil fuels for energy needs); we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient). Starting to do new things requires some upfront investment. In the same way that a company that is trying to change how it does business may need to make big upfront capital investments today in order to reap future benefits (for e.g., building a new factory to increase production or buying new hardware and software to totally modernize its IT system), a country that is trying to change how its economy works will need to make big investments today to jump-start and develop new projects and sectors to power the new economy.  Merely incentivizing the private sector doesn’t work - e.g. the tax incentives and subsidies given to wind and solar projects have been a valuable spur to growth in the US renewables industry but, even with such investmentpromotion subsidies, the present level of such projects is simply inadequate to transition to a fully greenhouse gas neutral economy as quickly as needed.  Once again, we’re not saying that there isn’t a role for private sector investments; we’re just saying that the level of investment required will need every actor to pitch in and that the government is best placed to be the prime driver.
Resolution Summary  Created in consultation with multiple groups from environmental community, environmental justice community, and labor community  5 goals in 10 years:
o Net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers o Create millions of high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all o Invest in infrastructure and industry to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century o Clean air and water, climate and community resiliency, healthy food, access to nature, and a sustainable environment for all o Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities  National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy: o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related disasters o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum. o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy sources o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable access to electricity o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural ecosystems o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those emissions o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring about a global Green New Deal  Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account o Provide job training and education to all o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all