Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different Americas

[Brain357]

Dummy. I'm now a Democratic party "operative". I spend every free moment working to get Democrats elected to office. From city council to US senator.

And I ain't worried about anyone coming for my gun.

You're not.....huh?

Maybe you missed my earlier post. But here is what the Democrats in my state are proposing:

Ohio firearms bill sparks strong views | News, Sports, Jobs - Marietta Times

Now if you bother to read it (I'm sure you won't) what they want is a confiscation of all semi-automatic guns. If YOU DO know anything about guns, you realize that few are revolvers. Most people with hand guns use semi-automatic.

So what the Democrats here want to do is to leave people with revolvers and non-semi automatic rifles. Now that's a real defense against a criminal with a 20 round semi-automatic handgun.

So if you are pushing for more Democrats, this is exactly what you are pushing for.

Be careful what you wish for......it just may come true.

I read the SB 260. It didn't have a chance in hell to pass. It was so restrictive that almost any semi auto rifle or handgun would have been caught by it. It's definition of "Assault Weapon" was definately restrictive. No one in their right mind would vote for it and they didn't. It didn't pass by a very wide margin. Almost no one voted for it. There really isn't a point here.

Sure there is a point, and that point is that if Democrats had the ability, they would do everything in their power to disarm the public. It was my point all along. So when I hear or read these people tell me nobody wants to take away my gun, all they have to do is see what Democrats have tried to do in the past.

Nope. That's paranoia. Maybe you've got a guilty conscience? Maybe there is a reason why YOU should get some scrutiny?

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

You asswipes can't lie anymore....you held you CNN townhall and you all frothed at the mouth and screamed to ban all semi auto weapons.......the lie can't be hidden anymore....

Yes seems like people have figured things out and Repubs aren't so popular...

 

[2aguy]

You're not.....huh?

Maybe you missed my earlier post. But here is what the Democrats in my state are proposing:

Ohio firearms bill sparks strong views | News, Sports, Jobs - Marietta Times

Now if you bother to read it (I'm sure you won't) what they want is a confiscation of all semi-automatic guns. If YOU DO know anything about guns, you realize that few are revolvers. Most people with hand guns use semi-automatic.

So what the Democrats here want to do is to leave people with revolvers and non-semi automatic rifles. Now that's a real defense against a criminal with a 20 round semi-automatic handgun.

So if you are pushing for more Democrats, this is exactly what you are pushing for.

Be careful what you wish for......it just may come true.

I read the SB 260. It didn't have a chance in hell to pass. It was so restrictive that almost any semi auto rifle or handgun would have been caught by it. It's definition of "Assault Weapon" was definately restrictive. No one in their right mind would vote for it and they didn't. It didn't pass by a very wide margin. Almost no one voted for it. There really isn't a point here.

Sure there is a point, and that point is that if Democrats had the ability, they would do everything in their power to disarm the public. It was my point all along. So when I hear or read these people tell me nobody wants to take away my gun, all they have to do is see what Democrats have tried to do in the past.

Nope. That's paranoia. Maybe you've got a guilty conscience? Maybe there is a reason why YOU should get some scrutiny?

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

Knives kill more people every single year than all mass shooter have over 35 years......from 1982-2017

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017
795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

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US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...

Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Every year knives murder over 1,600 people......and guns in mass shootings murder less than 72 people....except for 2017......

Knives murder more actual peole every single year than all guns in mass shootings...as do lawn mowers...

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Knives kill over 1,600 people every single year....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

I'm not the one who allows Home Depot to rent trucks to terrorists like you do....you are a stooge of the AAA, and you and them have blood on your hands....

 

[Brain357]

How many rental truck killings since? Those are easy to stop, we have mass shootings regularly.

It doesn't matter....a rental truck is deadlier than a rifle for mass killing...

In fact....each year, lawn mowers have killed more people than mass shooters have...except for one year, 2017...

Lawn mowers are deadlier than guns.....in mass shootings...

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation




US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Yes it matters, a rental truck is easily stopped with barriers. And seems to be working cause it's not happening regularly like our mass shootings.

Nope.....86 peole murdered with a rental truck.....and you can't put barriers everywhere.......they are deadlier than guns for mass shootings....

Again, how many since? We have mass shootings regularly. Your arguments are really so bad....

And you refuse to acknowledge that rental trucks can kill more people than rifles during a mass public shooting....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

 

[Brain357]

I read the SB 260. It didn't have a chance in hell to pass. It was so restrictive that almost any semi auto rifle or handgun would have been caught by it. It's definition of "Assault Weapon" was definately restrictive. No one in their right mind would vote for it and they didn't. It didn't pass by a very wide margin. Almost no one voted for it. There really isn't a point here.

Sure there is a point, and that point is that if Democrats had the ability, they would do everything in their power to disarm the public. It was my point all along. So when I hear or read these people tell me nobody wants to take away my gun, all they have to do is see what Democrats have tried to do in the past.

Nope. That's paranoia. Maybe you've got a guilty conscience? Maybe there is a reason why YOU should get some scrutiny?

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Every year knives murder over 1,600 people......and guns in mass shootings murder less than 72 people....except for 2017......

Knives murder more actual peole every single year than all guns in mass shootings...as do lawn mowers...

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Knives kill over 1,600 people every single year....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

I'm not the one who allows Home Depot to rent trucks to terrorists like you do....you are a stooge of the AAA, and you and them have blood on your hands....

You are the guy who armed the asshole in this recent school shooting, Vegas, Orlando, the TX church shooter...

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

 

[2aguy]

It doesn't matter....a rental truck is deadlier than a rifle for mass killing...

In fact....each year, lawn mowers have killed more people than mass shooters have...except for one year, 2017...

Lawn mowers are deadlier than guns.....in mass shootings...

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation




US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Yes it matters, a rental truck is easily stopped with barriers. And seems to be working cause it's not happening regularly like our mass shootings.

Nope.....86 peole murdered with a rental truck.....and you can't put barriers everywhere.......they are deadlier than guns for mass shootings....

Again, how many since? We have mass shootings regularly. Your arguments are really so bad....

And you refuse to acknowledge that rental trucks can kill more people than rifles during a mass public shooting....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...Trump has kept the terrorists busy by killing them......hard to encourage jihad when you are dead.

 

[Brain357]

Yes it matters, a rental truck is easily stopped with barriers. And seems to be working cause it's not happening regularly like our mass shootings.

Nope.....86 peole murdered with a rental truck.....and you can't put barriers everywhere.......they are deadlier than guns for mass shootings....

Again, how many since? We have mass shootings regularly. Your arguments are really so bad....

And you refuse to acknowledge that rental trucks can kill more people than rifles during a mass public shooting....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...Trump has kept the terrorists busy by killing them......hard to encourage jihad when you are dead.

We don't need terrorists, all it takes is an angry kid here.

 

[2aguy]

Sure there is a point, and that point is that if Democrats had the ability, they would do everything in their power to disarm the public. It was my point all along. So when I hear or read these people tell me nobody wants to take away my gun, all they have to do is see what Democrats have tried to do in the past.

Nope. That's paranoia. Maybe you've got a guilty conscience? Maybe there is a reason why YOU should get some scrutiny?

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

Every year knives murder over 1,600 people......and guns in mass shootings murder less than 72 people....except for 2017......

Knives murder more actual peole every single year than all guns in mass shootings...as do lawn mowers...

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Knives kill over 1,600 people every single year....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

I'm not the one who allows Home Depot to rent trucks to terrorists like you do....you are a stooge of the AAA, and you and them have blood on your hands....

You are the guy who armed the asshole in this recent school shooting, Vegas, Orlando, the TX church shooter...

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...shitstain...that was you asswipes.......you and your Promise Program that kept them from putting the shooter in the loony bin...

Orlando...FBI failed, again....Texas...air force failed...again, and an NRA instructor with an AR-15 civilian rifle and 30 round magazines had to stop that shooter since the police never showed up.

BREAKING: Authorities Wanted Parkland Shooter Institutionalized Before Massacre, Never Acted

 

[2aguy]

Nope.....86 peole murdered with a rental truck.....and you can't put barriers everywhere.......they are deadlier than guns for mass shootings....

Again, how many since? We have mass shootings regularly. Your arguments are really so bad....

And you refuse to acknowledge that rental trucks can kill more people than rifles during a mass public shooting....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...Trump has kept the terrorists busy by killing them......hard to encourage jihad when you are dead.

We don't need terrorists, all it takes is an angry kid here.

An angry kid who can drive a truck....and do what the muslim did in Nice, France and murder 86 people...more than each of our mass shootings.....

 

[Brain357]

Nope. That's paranoia. Maybe you've got a guilty conscience? Maybe there is a reason why YOU should get some scrutiny?

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

Knives kill over 1,600 people every single year....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

And the worst mass knifing was?

Why is it you want killers armed so well? Is it because gun sales go up after mass killings? You are sick.

I'm not the one who allows Home Depot to rent trucks to terrorists like you do....you are a stooge of the AAA, and you and them have blood on your hands....

You are the guy who armed the asshole in this recent school shooting, Vegas, Orlando, the TX church shooter...

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...shitstain...that was you asswipes.......you and your Promise Program that kept them from putting the shooter in the loony bin...

Orlando...FBI failed, again....Texas...air force failed...again, and an NRA instructor with an AR-15 civilian rifle and 30 round magazines had to stop that shooter since the police never showed up.

BREAKING: Authorities Wanted Parkland Shooter Institutionalized Before Massacre, Never Acted

Countries with strong gun control don't have a mass shooting problem.

 

[Brain357]

Again, how many since? We have mass shootings regularly. Your arguments are really so bad....

And you refuse to acknowledge that rental trucks can kill more people than rifles during a mass public shooting....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75

(Lawn Mower Accidents Rise This Time of Year | MU News Bureau)


2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When was the last rental truck killing? Seems like they fixed that problem. We are still having regular mass shootings.

No...Trump has kept the terrorists busy by killing them......hard to encourage jihad when you are dead.

We don't need terrorists, all it takes is an angry kid here.

An angry kid who can drive a truck....and do what the muslim did in Nice, France and murder 86 people...more than each of our mass shootings.....

They use guns here, regularly. And you want to make sure they get guns easy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There will always be a few in the minority who want to ban all semi-auto. But let's look at the legislation that came out of Florida. Absolutely TOOTHLESS - Precious little though it was better than nothing and a good START. Questions:

1. What would be your objection to making someone wait until they are 21 to buy ANY gun combined with a thorough mental and criminal check and 3 day waiting period?

Because if we are going to subject constitutional rights to age requirements, then you are opening up a can of worms.

Okay, so let's say we take away a persons right to buy a gun until the age of 21. Now that we Republicans are in power, would you object to us making people wait until they are 21 to vote? After all, if we can't trust 18, 19, and 20 year olds with a gun, how are we trusting them with the power to vote? Don't you think voting is important?

Criminal background checks are already in place.

Mental evaluations: When Democrats get power again, do you really trust them with such a requirement? Look at how they weaponized the FBI! Look at how they used the IRS and FISA court to try and defeat their foes! Do you really believe for one minute that Democrats would not abuse mental evaluations to try and disarm society?

Democrats have proven themselves to be untrustworthy with power.

But Oh! Democrats care so much about the children. I'd really like to put that one to rest. Let's trade the Democrats. No firearms until the age of 21, and no voting rights until the age of 21. You'd see how fast Democrats would stop caring about the children.

2. What would be your objection to tightening up the laws that allow someone to buy from a private seller online or at a gun show without such a check? Have you looked at Armslist.com of late? You can get anything you want - LITERALLY from thousands of private sellers and nary a bit of trouble.

So I'm a private seller and you want to buy my gun. How am I supposed to run a background check on you? Do you think we should also have people who sell their cars to others do a driving record check to make sure you're not selling your car to a three time DUI offender, or somebody with a suspended license?

If many of our crimes were committed with guns from the internet or gun shows, you may be on to something. But the fact is very few get their guns from such places. Most come from straw purchases or hot guns. In other words, it wouldn't solve anything.

3. I proudly defend my home with a Glock 9mm x17 and practice frequently after HOURS of training. And I'm not a bit afraid that anyone is coming to grab it.

And you shouldn't be, because we have a Constitution and judges that will protect your right. But if Democrats ever gain power--especially enough power to load the Supreme Court with liberal judges, you can kiss that right away and hide your guns.

 

[EGR one]

Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.

Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.

Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.

Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.

They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.

How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.

Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.

Once again you are talking out of your ass.

There are many gun owners, and people who appreciate guns- who also believe that there can and should be reasonable restrictions on guns or gun ownership

Should we allow machine guns? Bump stocks? .50 sniper rifles? Armor piercing ammo?

But no one wants to talk about anything in the middle- one is always claiming that the other sides once to take all of their guns, and the other side is always claiming that the first side doesn't care about gun violence.

The majority of Americans want both the right to own guns and also want reasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms and their accessories.

That is what neither side wants to talk about.

The key word here is "reasonable". Most everyone wants reasonable gun laws, but few can agree on what is reasonable. And, since we are talking about a delineated constitutional right, the word reasonable has to be defined carefully.

The Supreme Court has held that government can enact reasonable restrictions on constitutional rights, but only when government can also show a compelling need to do so, and when such restrictions are the only means of meeting that compelling need.

A compelling need is not a feel good effort, and it is not a means to a broader agenda.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Getting worse with the high powers guns legally available:

No...moron....the shooters are learning from the ones who came before, they are picking out their democrat gun free zones and choosing unarmed targets......using long range and tightly packed unarmed crowds...moron.........

Vegas wasn't a gun free zone, and that's the worst ever. But he did have semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

 

[Brain357]

Getting worse with the high powers guns legally available:

No...moron....the shooters are learning from the ones who came before, they are picking out their democrat gun free zones and choosing unarmed targets......using long range and tightly packed unarmed crowds...moron.........

Vegas wasn't a gun free zone, and that's the worst ever. But he did have semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

Barriers will easily stop them. I haven't seen any other similar attacks have you? We have mass shootings regularly.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Getting worse with the high powers guns legally available:

No...moron....the shooters are learning from the ones who came before, they are picking out their democrat gun free zones and choosing unarmed targets......using long range and tightly packed unarmed crowds...moron.........

Vegas wasn't a gun free zone, and that's the worst ever. But he did have semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

Barriers will easily stop them. I haven't seen any other similar attacks have you? We have mass shootings regularly.

I don't know what city you live in and I've lived in plenty, there are almost "no" protective barriers on city sidewalks and is too cost prohibitive to go to all towns and cities and build them so that pedestrians aren't in danger of being hit by a car, truck or some other type of vehicle. You might want to join the real world.

 

[Brain357]

No...moron....the shooters are learning from the ones who came before, they are picking out their democrat gun free zones and choosing unarmed targets......using long range and tightly packed unarmed crowds...moron.........

Vegas wasn't a gun free zone, and that's the worst ever. But he did have semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

Barriers will easily stop them. I haven't seen any other similar attacks have you? We have mass shootings regularly.

I don't know what city you live in and I've lived in plenty, there are almost "no" protective barriers on city sidewalks and is too cost prohibitive to go to all towns and cities and build them so that pedestrians aren't in danger of being hit by a car, truck or some other type of vehicle. You might want to join the real world.

So our children are regularly gunned down and you are saying we should do nothing because people were once killed by a truck in france? You don't even come close to an intelligent thought...

1,500 security barriers are going up in busy parts of New York City - CNN

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As for taking your guns. If you are a big enough nut case, maybe we should. Mental Health should be looked at closely for gun ownership and handling. Every time you drool a little at just the thought of an AR or an AK then you just might be mentally unstable and shouldn't own a gun.

Thank you for making my point in my last post to DrLove.

I can come up with all kinds of reasons why I am armed. I can say that I am armed to protect my family, my home and all that. I can say that I am armed to protect me from you gun nutters. Or I can say that I just like my gun. While all are a bit of the truth, the last one is the most truthful.

So what's wrong with that?

I have a right to send my grand children to school with a reasonable expectation that they won't be murdered. I have a reasonable expectation that I can go to a movie without being slaughtered. I have a reasonable expectation that I can attend an outdoor concert without being mowed down. So I demand reasonable laws that keep the body counts down even if we can't completely stop it. At least we can slow it down a bit.

Sorry, but life doesn't have any guarantees. On your side, you think the solution is to disarm over 100 million Americans to stop mass shootings. Our idea is to arm people in the school so if a shooter does happen to try a mass shooting, somebody there could stop them.

One of the most common denominators in mass shootings is the killer usually chooses a gun-free zone. But nobody on your side wants to discuss that. So if schools were not gun-free zones, that right there would be a deterrent to a mass killer.

And I know the difference between something that is designed to kill a deer and something designed to kill a human. Yes, you can use a pair of channel locks to hammer in a nail but a hammer works better. Do you understand that?

Sure I understand that. I also understand the two worst attacks on American soil (911 and the OKC bombing) didn't involve one gun. A hammer can pound a nail better than a channel lock, but if you really want that nail in the board, you will use a channel lock to get the job done.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Vegas wasn't a gun free zone, and that's the worst ever. But he did have semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

Barriers will easily stop them. I haven't seen any other similar attacks have you? We have mass shootings regularly.

I don't know what city you live in and I've lived in plenty, there are almost "no" protective barriers on city sidewalks and is too cost prohibitive to go to all towns and cities and build them so that pedestrians aren't in danger of being hit by a car, truck or some other type of vehicle. You might want to join the real world.

So our children are regularly gunned down and you are saying we should do nothing because people were once killed by a truck in france? You don't even come close to an intelligent thought...

1,500 security barriers are going up in busy parts of New York City - CNN

We've already had a few vehicle attacks in this nation. I believe it was in New York, not long ago that 11 people were run over and killed by a terrorist and out west a few more were hit by a vehicle by another terrorist. As more Muslims are imported, that number will increase.
Your solution: Summarily punish millions law-abiding citizens who are no threat to your or yours, because of the actions of a handful of mental idiots. Oh yeah, if you get current CCTV footage of New York City, you will see that streets abound without barriers, just lots of potential targets by maniacs with vehicles, should they choose to act.

 

[Brain357]

The Hotel was a gun free zone...the concert was a gun free zone......moron......

The Vegas shooter killed 58 with 2 rifles firing over 1,000 rounds of ammo into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 people with a rental truck in 5 minutes of driving....

Rental Trucks are deadlier than rifles......

And knives kill more people than all rifles, every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Yeah, 85 people were killed (he ran them over) in Nice, France by one guy with a rental truck. Seems to me that it would be cheaper for those who want to rack up casualties cheaply could do it by either renting or stealing a truck and heading for lots of pedestrians; after all, your average AR-15 costs over a thousand dollars and 500 rounds of 5.56x45 ammo is about $152.00. So you are looking at a cash payout of about $1,200 to $1,600 dollars, whereas for a mere $50.00 you can get a mobile four-wheeled killing machine, slightly damaged after you are done with it, of course. And, until the cops actually get around to stopping you, you can really rack up the pedestrian points, even to going beyond Nice, France's 85, if you are determined.

Barriers will easily stop them. I haven't seen any other similar attacks have you? We have mass shootings regularly.

I don't know what city you live in and I've lived in plenty, there are almost "no" protective barriers on city sidewalks and is too cost prohibitive to go to all towns and cities and build them so that pedestrians aren't in danger of being hit by a car, truck or some other type of vehicle. You might want to join the real world.

So our children are regularly gunned down and you are saying we should do nothing because people were once killed by a truck in france? You don't even come close to an intelligent thought...

1,500 security barriers are going up in busy parts of New York City - CNN

We've already had a few vehicle attacks in this nation. I believe it was in New York, not long ago that 11 people were run over and killed by a terrorist and out west a few more were hit by a vehicle by another terrorist. As more Muslims are imported, that number will increase.
Your solution: Summarily punish millions law-abiding citizens who are no threat to your or yours, because of the actions of a handful of mental idiots.

So our children are regularly gunned down and you are saying we should do nothing because people were once killed by a truck in france? You don't even come close to an intelligent thought...

1,500 security barriers are going up in busy parts of New York City - CNN

How is not being able to easily become a mass killer punishment btw?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm good. Nobody is gonna take away my firearm. And I have no problem with registering and insuring it.

Right. Because we can certainly trust the anti-gunners with that information.

Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN