Zone1 have you been baptized?

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No we don't

All our so called laws of physics break down as you approach infinite hotness and infinite density.

And supposition cannot be examined that's why you have to have faith.

No we don't what?

It really bothers you that God can be known through the light of human reason, doesn't it?

 

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Look it up and figure it out.

I know it like the back of my hand. I'm not seeing it and you can't explain it. So nothing left for me to do other than pointing out you can't back up what you claim.

 

[Blues Man]

No we don't what?

It really bothers you that God can be known through the light of human reason, doesn't it?

Nope.

supposition is not reason.

you are basing everything on the assumption that there is a god.

that is bias by definition

 

[ding]

And we're back to the god of the gaps

No. You are back to denying God. I'm able to know God through the light of human reason.

 

[ding]

Nope.

supposition is not reason.

you are basing everything on the assumption that there is a god.

that is bias by definition

No, it's observations and logic. You are incapable of doing it. I am capable of doing it.

 

[Blues Man]

I know it like the back of my hand. I'm not seeing it and you can't explain it. So nothing left for me to do other than pointing out you can't back up what you claim.

Then I guess you're not as smart as you think you are if you can't apply it to yourself.

To sum it up the most knowledgeable people always have reservation's about what they know.

The least knowledgeable display extreme confidence in the the little they know. ( 5%)

 

[Blues Man]

No. You are back to denying God. I'm able to know God through the light of human reason.

No you're not.

you know your god via religious dogma

 

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Then I guess you're not as smart as you think you are if you can't apply it to yourself.

To sum it up the most knowledgeable people always have reservation's about what they know.

The least knowledgeable display extreme confidence in the the little they know. ( 5%)

Yes, I am not smart enough to figure out your convoluted logic which bears no resemblance to reality.

 

[ding]

No you're not.

you know your god via religious dogma

No. I know God by studying what he created. I worship the creator. You worship the created.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes, I am not smart enough to figure out your convoluted logic which bears no resemblance to reality.

Saying we don't know exactly what happened is not a complicated or convoluted statement and you say you can't understand it.

 

[ding]

Saying we don't know exactly what happened is not a complicated or convoluted statement and you say you can't understand it.

You don't need to know what happened to establish the conditions for the first cause.

It must be eternal. Got to start there. If it's not eternal then it ain't the first cause.

 

[ding]

Saying we don't know exactly what happened is not a complicated or convoluted statement and you say you can't understand it.

It must be unchanging. Got to go there next because if it is changing then it can't be eternal.

 

[ding]

Saying we don't know exactly what happened is not a complicated or convoluted statement and you say you can't understand it.

Can't be matter or energy. Got to go there next because matter and energy are not unchanging.

 

[ding]

Saying we don't know exactly what happened is not a complicated or convoluted statement and you say you can't understand it.

So which of those threes statements is incorrect? And why?

 

[Blues Man]

You don't need to know what happened to establish the conditions for the first cause.

It must be eternal. Got to start there. If it's not eternal then it ain't the first cause.

Unfortunately we do need to know these things.

Maybe you don't

 

[Blues Man]

So which of those threes statements is incorrect? And why?

You tell me you KNOW all and you have no problem claiming you do.

 

[ding]

Unfortunately we do need to know these things.

Maybe you don't

I just gave you three examples that only needed logic to define the conditions necessary for a first cause.

 

[ding]

You tell me you KNOW all and you have no problem claiming you do.

If you can't say why they are wrong, then how do you know they are wrong?

 

[Blues Man]

I just gave you three examples that only needed logic to define the conditions necessary for a first cause.

Supposition.

We don't know exactly how what happened happened

we can't know what happened just before and just after what we assume is the beginning of the universe

We do not know anything about at least 95% of all energy and matter in the universe we can observe and we know nothing of the universe we cannot observe.

You want it to be a god so you call it a god.

I say it can't be known with any certainty

 

[Blues Man]

If you can't say why they are wrong, then how do you know they are wrong?

They might be wrong and you can;t admit that can you?