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and the thing is, it didnt stop the troofers eitherExactly.
The difference with birthers and truthers...
The Bush adnministration immediately released all information to allow the truthers to make an educated decision.
The Obama camp continually avoided producing anything until they had no choice.....it was a calculated move to make the right look bad.
so, Obama learned from Bush's mistake
trying to appease the nutters doesn't work
he's not "my guy" and yet he has produced the required document with the official state seal and notary stamp on it
AFTER months of requests to do so.
Why did he wait so long?
Was it outrageous for anyone to ask a man running for president to produce such documents? Especially since he admitted publicly that his father was not a citizen and no longer living in the US?
Was it such a rediculous request that he could not take the 2 minutes to pull it out of his wallet and show it to the hundreds of cameras that were following him around?
I mean...really? Was he relly too busy to do it?
Come on...youre a smart guy. He played the people in an effort to make them look silly.
Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?
His father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
i've seen people claim that beforei'd need to see some unbiased source for thatYou do realize Hawaii has issued Birth certificates to babies who were not born in Hawaii?
Same here
thats just it, he didand the thing is, it didnt stop the troofers either
so, Obama learned from Bush's mistake
trying to appease the nutters doesn't work
AFTER months of requests to do so.
Why did he wait so long?
Was it outrageous for anyone to ask a man running for president to produce such documents? Especially since he admitted publicly that his father was not a citizen and no longer living in the US?
Was it such a rediculous request that he could not take the 2 minutes to pull it out of his wallet and show it to the hundreds of cameras that were following him around?
I mean...really? Was he relly too busy to do it?
Come on...youre a smart guy. He played the people in an effort to make them look silly.
Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?
His father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
True..he was not the first having it questioned.
But he wqas the first that I am aware of that did not produce the documentation upon first request.
And why should he?
Becuase he is running for the highest position in the land. Out of respect for our republic, he should have gladly saitisfied the request of the people....whether the law required him to or not.
Let me ak you this...why wouldnt he want to?
thats just it, he didHis father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
True..he was not the first having it questioned.
But he wqas the first that I am aware of that did not produce the documentation upon first request.
And why should he?
Becuase he is running for the highest position in the land. Out of respect for our republic, he should have gladly saitisfied the request of the people....whether the law required him to or not.
Let me ak you this...why wouldnt he want to?
the CoLB is just that
i've seen people claim that beforei'd need to see some unbiased source for that
Same here
but they usually slink away when i ask for an unbiased source
so far not one person that has claimed has provided such a source
and no, newsmax and WND would NOT be reliable sources to me
just as dailyKOS and the puffington post wouldn't be
he's not "my guy" and yet he has produced the required document with the official state seal and notary stamp on itIn other words he's your guy and what ever he's says is alright with you. Got it.
AFTER months of requests to do so.
Why did he wait so long?
Was it outrageous for anyone to ask a man running for president to produce such documents? Especially since he admitted publicly that his father was not a citizen and no longer living in the US?
Was it such a rediculous request that he could not take the 2 minutes to pull it out of his wallet and show it to the hundreds of cameras that were following him around?
I mean...really? Was he relly too busy to do it?
Come on...youre a smart guy. He played the people in an effort to make them look silly.
Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?
you realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?i've seen people claim that beforeSame here
but they usually slink away when i ask for an unbiased source
so far not one person that has claimed has provided such a source
and no, newsmax and WND would NOT be reliable sources to me
just as dailyKOS and the puffington post wouldn't be
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
i've seen people claim that beforeSame here
but they usually slink away when i ask for an unbiased source
so far not one person that has claimed has provided such a source
and no, newsmax and WND would NOT be reliable sources to me
just as dailyKOS and the puffington post wouldn't be
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
and the thing is, it didnt stop the troofers either
so, Obama learned from Bush's mistake
trying to appease the nutters doesn't work
AFTER months of requests to do so.
Why did he wait so long?
Was it outrageous for anyone to ask a man running for president to produce such documents? Especially since he admitted publicly that his father was not a citizen and no longer living in the US?
Was it such a rediculous request that he could not take the 2 minutes to pull it out of his wallet and show it to the hundreds of cameras that were following him around?
I mean...really? Was he relly too busy to do it?
Come on...youre a smart guy. He played the people in an effort to make them look silly.
Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?
His father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
True..he was not the first having it questioned.
But he wqas the first that I am aware of that did not produce the documentation upon first request.
And why should he?
Becuase he is running for the highest position in the land. Out of respect for our republic, he should have gladly saitisfied the request of the people....whether the law required him to or not.
Let me ak you this...why wouldnt he want to?
you realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?i've seen people claim that before
but they usually slink away when i ask for an unbiased source
so far not one person that has claimed has provided such a source
and no, newsmax and WND would NOT be reliable sources to me
just as dailyKOS and the puffington post wouldn't be
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
and the following photoshops of it claiming that as the originalHis father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
True..he was not the first having it questioned.
But he wqas the first that I am aware of that did not produce the documentation upon first request.
And why should he?
Becuase he is running for the highest position in the land. Out of respect for our republic, he should have gladly saitisfied the request of the people....whether the law required him to or not.
Let me ak you this...why wouldnt he want to?
Request by whom? Phil Berg? Would you want to hand over your private information to a scumbag like Phil Berg?
We can settle this right now. The public demands to see your birth certificate. Not a short form with sensitive information redacted, but the original that includes all of the information. Scan it and post it, let us all examine it and let every village idiot not only have all of that information to do with as they please but make up their own minds assisted by bloggers and spam e-mailers who want to keep their cash cow mooing as to whether it's real or fake.
Would you do it?
you realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?i've seen people claim that before
but they usually slink away when i ask for an unbiased source
so far not one person that has claimed has provided such a source
and no, newsmax and WND would NOT be reliable sources to me
just as dailyKOS and the puffington post wouldn't be
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
His father's nationality matters not under the law, and he knows it.
But why should he have to wave his personal, private birth certificate around for the cameras? Why should he have to release his personal documentation publicly to satisfy people who can never be satisfied?
And if it's so important, why was there not already a mechanism in place by which he submitted his documentation, securely, privately and legally, to the proper authorities in either the States or at the Federal level to be examined and his eligibility determined along with every other canddiate? It's not like he's the first POTUS candidate to have his status questioned, not by a long shot.
True..he was not the first having it questioned.
But he wqas the first that I am aware of that did not produce the documentation upon first request.
And why should he?
Becuase he is running for the highest position in the land. Out of respect for our republic, he should have gladly saitisfied the request of the people....whether the law required him to or not.
Let me ak you this...why wouldnt he want to?
Request by whom? Phil Berg? Would you want to hand over your private information to a scumbag like Phil Berg?
We can settle this right now. The public demands to see your birth certificate. Not a short form with sensitive information redacted, but the original that includes all of the information. Scan it and post it, let us all examine it and let every village idiot not only have all of that information to do with as they please but make up their own minds assisted by bloggers and spam e-mailers who want to keep their cash cow mooing as to whether it's real or fake.
Would you do it?
exactlyyou realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
Yes...but you do realize that out of state does not mean "in one of the other 49 states"
"Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?"
statements like that one above by silly jarhead make me enjoy this board.
since Obama was BORN there, it wouldnt matteryou realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
Did she ever declear Hawaii her state of legal residency? If so where are the documents?
exactlyyou realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?
Yes...but you do realize that out of state does not mean "in one of the other 49 states"
but the parents were legal residence in HI
out of HI means OUT of HI
that means it could be in any state or out of the country
this is for Citizens with legal residence in HI
(most likely was put in for MILITARY familes stationed overseas)
"Why would someone who loves America want to intentionally make Americans look silly?"
statements like that one above by silly jarhead make me enjoy this board.
Yeah...it was a silly comment.
I regret it.
I am human. I make mistakes.
since Obama was BORN there, it wouldnt matteryou realize that is for children of US Citizen born out of state, right?
Did she ever declear Hawaii her state of legal residency? If so where are the documents?
