Healthcare Projected To Cost Near $50 Trillion Over Next Ten Years

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That’s fine but then what does that roll out look like in real time? The poor and middle class get screwed while the rich get excellent medical care and then prices drop through competition and the middle class start being able to afford basic care but probably not long term care, the poor will never be able to afford any care. How exactly do you see all this working?

That's the only way it can work. It takes time for the effects of the decades of government monkey wrenches to work themselves out.

But, when people are not forced to pick up the whole tab, the doctors have lots of 'splainin' to do.

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[BrokeLoser]

Let in an invasion force of a million diseased third worlders costs are going to rise

I know what you mean!

Tipsycatlover g5000 thinks we should operate like we did in the ‘good ole days’...he thinks we should stlill hang Nuggas in out front yards to keep from entering our backyards. Ain’t that right G5000?

 

[Slade3200]

That’s fine but then what does that roll out look like in real time? The poor and middle class get screwed while the rich get excellent medical care and then prices drop through competition and the middle class start being able to afford basic care but probably not long term care, the poor will never be able to afford any care. How exactly do you see all this working?

That's the only way it can work. It takes time for the effects of the decades of government monkey wrenches to work themselves out.

But, when people are not forced to pick up the whole tab, the doctors have lots of 'splainin' to do.

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Your plan ends up killing off the poor and letting them suffer because they can’t afford to go to the doctor, while bankrupting the middle class with long term care needs. No thanks

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It’s not the ambulance, it’s the emergency care you receive once you get to the hospital.

If you want to make ER services a part of police and fire, I have no problem with that. I never have. Of course, those services would be for actual emergencies, not for a cold or other abuses.

But, that is only one small portion of health care services, and again, most ER costs are covered by casualty insurance, which goes through an entirely different process where hospitals end up reducing the costs to get paid (personal injury law suits).

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[Brain357]

It’s not the ambulance, it’s the emergency care you receive once you get to the hospital.

If you want to make ER services a part of police and fire, I have no problem with that. I never have. Of course, those services would be for actual emergencies, not for a cold or other abuses.

But, that is only one small portion of health care services, and again, most ER costs are covered by casualty insurance, which goes through an entirely different process where hospitals end up reducing the costs to get paid (personal injury law suits).

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They are really big bills actually. So are all surgeries. I assume when you need life saving surgery you will look for the budget option?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Your plan ends up killing off the poor and letting them suffer because they can’t afford to go to the doctor, while bankrupting the middle class with long term care needs. No thanks

It ends up bankrupting doctors who can't compete and forces others to be efficient. They don't get to jack up their fees and let health insurance cover their losses. They don't engage in unnecessary diagnostics and cut to the chase, because they will not get paid for all the bullshit. The $23 for an aspirin shit immediately gets shot to hell.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I assume when you need life saving surgery you will look for the budget option?

If I am the one paying for it? Yes.

You have unwittingly identified the problem.

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[Brain357]

I assume when you need life saving surgery you will look for the budget option?

If I am the one paying for it? Yes.

You have unwittingly identified the problem.

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You must not value your own life as much as most. I guess it is understandable. Most value their life way too much to go budget.

 

[dblack]

It’s easy to be mad at the big bad insurance companies but it just isn’t realistic to drop them. Medical costs are much too high so the result is poor and middle class people will either not receive care or go bankrupt.

But, with nobody able to pay for those services, the providers will be required to compete for available business, and the result is that the cost goes down.

Health Care providers are the only industry that is NOT required to compete with others over prices.

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Next time you are in an ambulance in need of emergency care be sure to call around for pricing...

The vast majority of health care transactions aren't emergencies. And even emergencies can be prepared for, and such preparation can include price shopping. But no one will bother if they think someone else will be picking up the tab.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You must not value your own life as much as most. I guess it is understandable. Most value their life way too much to go budget.

You have again identified the problem, and I think you are right. Beggars cannot afford to value their life more than their budget allows. That means the budget surgeon gets their business, and the expensive guy is sitting around, twirling his scalpels , not getting work.

 

[Brain357]

It’s easy to be mad at the big bad insurance companies but it just isn’t realistic to drop them. Medical costs are much too high so the result is poor and middle class people will either not receive care or go bankrupt.

But, with nobody able to pay for those services, the providers will be required to compete for available business, and the result is that the cost goes down.

Health Care providers are the only industry that is NOT required to compete with others over prices.

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Next time you are in an ambulance in need of emergency care be sure to call around for pricing...

The vast majority of health care transactions aren't emergencies. And even emergencies can be prepared for, and such preparation can include price shopping. But no one will bother if they think someone else will be picking up the tab.

Emergencies can’t be price shopped. Surgeries can be, but normal people search the best option, not the budget option. There
Is no downward pressure on pricing.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Emergencies can’t be price shopped. Surgeries can be, but normal people search the best option, not the budget option. There
Is no downward pressure on pricing.

When "most people" are picking up the tab themselves, you can motherfucking bet your ass there will be SERIOUS downward pressure.

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[Brain357]

You must not value your own life as much as most. I guess it is understandable. Most value their life way too much to go budget.

You have again identified the problem, and I think you are right. Beggars cannot afford to value their life more than their budget allows. That means the budget surgeon gets their business, and the expensive guy is sitting around, twirling his scalpels , not getting work.

But since nobody wants budget surgery, there is no incentive to be a budget surgeon. Nobody will charge less.

 

[Brain357]

Emergencies can’t be price shopped. Surgeries can be, but normal people search the best option, not the budget option. There
Is no downward pressure on pricing.

When "most people" are picking up the tab themselves, you can motherfucking bet your ass there will be SERIOUS downward pressure.

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You base that on what? All the people who have gone bankrupt? You aren’t in reality.

 

[bendog]

Emergencies can’t be price shopped. Surgeries can be, but normal people search the best option, not the budget option. There
Is no downward pressure on pricing.

When "most people" are picking up the tab themselves, you can motherfucking bet your ass there will be SERIOUS downward pressure.

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Strokes and TBI really shouldn't cost that much.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

But since nobody wants budget surgery, there is no incentive to be a budget surgeon. Nobody will charge less.

When budget surgery is the only option most people can afford?

Yeah, many surgeons will be out of work if they refuse to compete.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You base that on what? All the people who have gone bankrupt? You aren’t in reality.

You have already admitted that cost is the problem. Now you are saying credit is the problem. Make up your mind.

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[Brain357]

But since nobody wants budget surgery, there is no incentive to be a budget surgeon. Nobody will charge less.

When budget surgery is the only option most people can afford?

Yeah, many surgeons will be out of work if they refuse to compete.

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All our bankruptcies have shown people don’t care what they can afford when it comes to healthcare. One isn’t a wise shopper when life is on the line.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

All our bankruptcies have shown people don’t care what they can afford when it comes to healthcare. One isn’t a wise shopper when life is on the line.

Then, one can make stupid decisions and end up in bankruptcy. Another one can also be stupid and extend a line of unsecured credit and get poured out in bankruptcy.

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[Brain357]

All our bankruptcies have shown people don’t care what they can afford when it comes to healthcare. One isn’t a wise shopper when life is on the line.

Then, one can make stupid decisions and end up in bankruptcy. Another one can also be stupid and extend a line of unsecured credit and get poured out in bankruptcy.

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There Is no downward pressure on pricing. People will borrow if they have to.