Heavy Gunfire Reported At Ukraine Airport

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This is really over. Pro EU Ukranians don't have a prayer. Ukranian military is defecting and taking tanks with them.

Pro-Russia separatists take armor, humiliating Ukraine forces

KRAMATORSK/SLAVIANSK, Ukraine (Reuters) - Separatists flew the Russian flag on armored vehicles taken from the Ukrainian army on Wednesday, humiliating a Kiev government operation to recapture eastern towns controlled by pro-Moscow partisans.

Six armored personnel carriers were driven into the rebel-held town of Slaviansk to waves and shouts of "Russia! Russia!". It was not immediately clear whether they had been captured by rebels or handed over to them by Ukrainian deserters.

One thing for certain. Neither the US nor any EU country will be sending any weapons to the Ukraine.

There is always prayer. And Providence can always change the outcome. But I'm not expecting that change now.

 

[Ame®icano]

I have a hard time generating any sympathy for this Ukrainian regime.

Is a Russian incursion a better solution?

Nope - not imho. But If you'll read my previous post, you can see why I don't think a Russian invasion is the same thing as Pearl Harbor either.

It's more like Japanese invading Philippines.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Is a Russian incursion a better solution?

Nope - not imho. But If you'll read my previous post, you can see why I don't think a Russian invasion is the same thing as Pearl Harbor either.

It's more like Japanese invading Philippines.

I don't know about that - but a more recent analogy was the U.S. invasion of Grenada (if you toss in a U.S. base on Grenada)

 

[Ame®icano]

Nope - not imho. But If you'll read my previous post, you can see why I don't think a Russian invasion is the same thing as Pearl Harbor either.

It's more like Japanese invading Philippines.

I don't know about that - but a more recent analogy was the U.S. invasion of Grenada (if you toss in a U.S. base on Grenada)

So you're saying there is justification for both of those thing.

Sure, earlier you said that Ukrainian government remind you about Nazi Germany. I guess because of rounding up people and all that stuff... Just don't forget, FDR rounded up Americans of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. He didn't slaughter them, but he justified it.

 

[g5000]

Putin's behavior is that of a frightened despot. He feels democracy getting closer and closer to his borders and he reacts like every despot does, by lashing out.

When Georgia was on the cusp of joining NATO, what did he do? He invaded. And what did Bush do? Nothing.

When the Ukrainian people kicked out his thieving puppet, what did he do? He invaded. What did Obama do? Nothing much.

Putin feels the wall pressing in.

 

[nodoginnafight]

It's more like Japanese invading Philippines.

I don't know about that - but a more recent analogy was the U.S. invasion of Grenada (if you toss in a U.S. base on Grenada)

So you're saying there is justification for both of those thing.

Sure, earlier you said that Ukrainian government remind you about Nazi Germany. I guess because of rounding up people and all that stuff... Just don't forget, FDR rounded up Americans of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. He didn't slaughter them, but he justified it.

I am saying that yes, the Ukrainians' move toward hyper-nationalism and ethnic purity reminds me of Nazi Germany. I am saying that I understand how Russia was worried about losing their base in the Crimea which would have had a tremendously adverse impact on their national security.

Instead of backing these fascists in Ukraine in order to give Putin a black eye, I think the U.S. should have urged the Ukrainians to honor their treaty with Russia and backed Russia's right to that base.

I don't like the invasion, but I understand it. Given the situation, it was almost inevitable. And I have sympathy for the average people who are caught up in this - but I have no sympathy for the Ukrainian government who have been poking that bear like crazy.

 

[RoadVirus]

Sadly this was predictable after Crimea.

And Obama's lack of response was just as predictable.

 

[RoadVirus]

The EU backed Ukranians are a minority. The majority will not be dragged into the EU filth against their will.

So instead, they get dragged into the KGB-controlled Russian government filth.

This is a civil war and we need to stay out of it

You're an idiot to think this is internal. These "protesters" have the stink of the KGB all over them.

 

[Ame®icano]

I don't know about that - but a more recent analogy was the U.S. invasion of Grenada (if you toss in a U.S. base on Grenada)

So you're saying there is justification for both of those thing.

Sure, earlier you said that Ukrainian government remind you about Nazi Germany. I guess because of rounding up people and all that stuff... Just don't forget, FDR rounded up Americans of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. He didn't slaughter them, but he justified it.

I am saying that yes, the Ukrainians' move toward hyper-nationalism and ethnic purity reminds me of Nazi Germany. I am saying that I understand how Russia was worried about losing their base in the Crimea which would have had a tremendously adverse impact on their national security.

Instead of backing these fascists in Ukraine in order to give Putin a black eye, I think the U.S. should have urged the Ukrainians to honor their treaty with Russia and backed Russia's right to that base.

I don't like the invasion, but I understand it. Given the situation, it was almost inevitable. And I have sympathy for the average people who are caught up in this - but I have no sympathy for the Ukrainian government who have been poking that bear like crazy.

There is main difference between Nazi (national socialists) and nationalists. Ukrainian Parliament has 449 members, from which 36 belongs to Svoboda party that you call hyper-nationalist. Although they are nationalist, they are not fascist nor antisemitic, and they are strongly anti-socialist and anti-communists. They are less nationalistic then PPV party in Holland or NV-A or VLD parties in Belgium, yet they remind you of Nazis. In the last few election cycles, Europe moved to the right because people are getting tired of socialists and communists, they are tired of uncontrolled migrations that cause problem for individual countries and their own people.

 

[dilloduck]

They need to build a wall and be done with it. Worked for a long time in Berlin.