Hijab, symbol of oppression, the symbol of left wing women? Just nuts....

[Brynmr]

How 'bout now?

The Amish is another cult oppressing women. It's just that they're not strapping bombs to themselves and blowing Americans to tiny bits.

Bullfuckinshit

So they ARE strapping bombs to themselves and blowing Americans to tiny bits. Where's this happening?

 

[Brynmr]

Amish women are shunned if they freely choose to leave the Amish cult.

All Amish who choose to abandon their faith are shunned... men too.

So that makes shunning women ok. That's a Liberal logic, isn't it.

 

[Brynmr]

Criminy people. It's a fuckin scarf.

That's like saying this image is just a bunch of lines inside a circle.

 

[Brynmr]

I was just at Wal Mart. It seems that several of the female "associates" were wearing them.

I have no idea what it means nor do I care

 

[Coyote]

Criminy people. It's a fuckin scarf.

That's like saying this image is just a bunch of lines inside a circle.

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Anyone who compares a hijab to a swastika is ignorant.

 

[skye]

 

[Pogo]

That's called a Googly Image. You'll remember how you got spanked the last time you tried to use one to make a bogus point.

And I might add --- awful color combination.

 

[Pogo]

Here's a page making the argument that the hijab/veil has three different functions in three different religions --- and of those three, the one where the function is the subjugation of women is..............

Read on.

>> Some in the west consider the modesty of head covering practiced by Muslim women as the greatest symbol of women's oppression and servitude. Is it true that there is no similar custom in the Judaeo-Christian tradition? Let us set the record straight.

According to Rabbi Dr. Menachem M. Brayer (Professor of Biblical Literature at Yeshiva University) in his book, The Jewish woman in Rabbinic literature, it was the custom of Jewish women to go out in public with a head covering which, sometimes, even covered the whole face leaving one eye free. 76 He quotes some famous ancient Rabbis saying," It is not like the daughters of Israel to walk out with heads uncovered" and "Cursed be the man who lets the hair of his wife be seen...a woman who exposes her hair for self-adornment brings poverty." Rabbinic law forbids the recitation of blessings or prayers in the presence of a bareheaded married woman since uncovering the woman's hair is considered "nudity".77

Dr. Brayer also mentions that "During the Tannaitic period the Jewish woman's failure to cover her head was considered an affront to her modesty. When her head was uncovered she might be fined four hundred zuzim for this offense." Dr. Brayer also explains that veil of the Jewish woman was not always considered a sign of modesty. Sometimes, the veil symbolized a state of distinction and luxury rather than modesty. The veil personified the dignity and superiority of noble women. It also represented a woman's inaccessibility as a sanctified possession of her husband. 78

The veil signified a woman's self-respect and social status. Women of lower classes would often wear the veil to give the impression of a higher standing. The fact that the veil was the sign of nobility was the reason why prostitutes were not permitted to cover their hair in the old Jewish society. However, prostitutes often wore a special headscarf in order to look respectable. 79

.. What about the Christian tradition? It is well known that Catholic Nuns have been covering their heads for hundreds of years, but that is not all. St. Paul in the New Testament made some very interesting statements about the veil:

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).​

St. Paul's rationale for veiling women is that the veil represents a sign of the authority of the man, who is the image and glory of God, over the woman who was created from and for man. St. Tertullian in his famous treatise 'On The Veiling Of Virgins' wrote, "Young women, you wear your veils out on the streets, so you should wear them in the church, you wear them when you are among strangers, then wear them among your brothers..." Among the Canon laws of the Catholic church today, there is a law that requires women to cover their heads in church. 82 Some Christian denominations, such as the Amish and the Mennonites for example, keep their women veiled to the present day. The reason for the veil, as offered by their Church leaders, is that "The head covering is a symbol of woman's subjection to the man and to God", which is the same logic introduced by St. Paul in the New Testament. 83

From all the above evidence, it is obvious that Islam did not invent the head cover. However, Islam did endorse it. The Quran urges the believing men and women to lower their gaze and guard their modesty and then urges the believing women to extend their head covers to cover the neck and the bosom:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..." (Quran 24:30,31).​

The Quran is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Quran is still clear:

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Quran 33:59).​

This is the whole point, modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty is protection. Thus, the only purpose of the hijab in Islam is protection.

The hijab, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man. The hijab, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. In Islam the hijab is a sign of modesty which safeguards the personal integrity of women. The Quran strongly emphasizes the protection of women's reputation and condemns men to be severely punished if they falsely accuse a woman of unchastity:

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations)- Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors" (Quran 24:4)

Some people, especially in the West, would tend to ridicule the whole argument of modesty for protection. Their argument is that the best protection is the spread of education, civilized behavior, and self restraint. We would say: fine but not enough. If 'civilization' is enough protection, then why is it that women in North America dare not walk alone in a dark street - or even across an empty parking lot ? If education is the solution, then why is it that our universities have a 'walk home service' mainly for female students on campus? If self restraint is the answer, then why are cases of sexual harassment in the workplace reported on the news media every day? A sample of those accused of sexual harassment, in the last few years, includes: Navy officers, Managers, University professors, Senators, Supreme Court Justices, and the President of the United States! <<​

 

[Brynmr]

Criminy people. It's a fuckin scarf.

That's like saying this image is just a bunch of lines inside a circle.

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Anyone who compares a hijab to a swastika is ignorant.

You're an embarrassment.

 

[deannalw]

I'm not even gonna drag out the ole 'sorry you feel that way' because honestly I care more about flea feet getting cold than I do of your useless opinion of me

 

[deannalw]

Just curious... how many here that are all stressed and wounded about the plight of women on another continent have actually done any work helping the abused women right here in your own country? Your state? Your city or town

 

[skye]

 

[Pogo]

And now you're ripping off Robert Crumb.

 

[deannalw]

I dunno. You know this thread started out with some goofy gals here wearing astupid sscarf on their heads. And now it's whoever didn't have a problem withit is a terrorist supporting hater than drowns baby kittens.
I just can't wrap my head around that kind of leap

 

[Pogo]

I dunno. You know this thread started out with some goofy gals here wearing astupid sscarf on their heads. And now it's whoever didn't have a problem withit is a terrorist supporting hater than drowns baby kittens.
I just can't wrap my head around that kind of leap

Dey bring dere own trampolines.

 

[Issa]

HI all,

Living in the US I learned 2 things:

One: Conservatives are the least tolerant people although they rave day and night about Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

2:women in the US are very disrespected and used a's marketing tools and sex objects and looked differently than their counter parts.

That being said, some of you so called conservatives show an incredible amount of ignorance about the subject of hijab.

If you do a survey or bother to ask women who wear it, you'll probably heard the common answer of is "my personal choice".

So who the heck are you to tell another human being how and what to put on? Where is freedom of choice and personal liberty here?

I understand that ignorance and fear of the unknown makes one prejudice, but for gods sake. Read a book, do proper research online open your heart and use your brain.

 

[deannalw]

Go bite yourself, poser

 

[Pogo]

HI all,

Living in the US I learned 2 things:

One: Conservatives are the least tolerant people although they rave day and night about Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

2:women in the US are very disrespected and used a's marketing tools and sex objects and looked differently than their counter parts.

That being said, some of you so called conservatives show an incredible amount of ignorance about the subject of hijab.

If you do a survey or bother to ask women who wear it, you'll probably heard the common answer of is "my personal choice".

So who the heck are you to tell another human being how and what to put on? Where is freedom of choice and personal liberty here?

I understand that ignorance and fear of the unknown makes one prejudice, but for gods sake. Read a book, do proper research online open your heart and use your brain.

First post --- and already a Winner.

Welcome to the site. Please post an intro thread so everybody can say hi.

 

[deannalw]

I already did.

 

[Brynmr]

HI all,

Living in the US I learned 2 things:

One: Conservatives are the least tolerant people

Wrong. I won't bother with the rest of your bull shit.