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He's going to continue to surge as long as he keeps hitting on the issues such as illegals. I have to give him credit on that stance
In it, at one point he made a declarative statement which said that humans were essentially irrational beings.
You needed a book to tell you that? But really, even the book didn't get it quite right. People are stupid. Being irrational is just a side effect.
The point that was striking was that Hedges was not writing about the fact that SOME people are irrational which everyone knows. He was talking about people in general which he essentially implied was true of ALL people, at least at one time or another.
Let's use the modern day example. Climate change is a good place to start. Regardless of how climate change ultimately plays out, it's an undeniable fact that greenhouse gas levels have been rising since the industrial age and can scientifically attributed to human activity which is burning more fossil fuel at the very same time that we're collectively mowing down more forests even as industrialization is picking up and the world population is soaring which translates to more people engaging in the very activities which is raising CO2 levels. Yet the deniers won't have any of it in much the same way that the Catholic church would not pay heed to the heliocentric theory of the solar system. Same shit, different century.
I see it a bit differently. People are rational. They're also hypocrites. So often what they say they want doesn't match their actions. But if you can glean their actual motivations and goals, very often their actions will be explicitly rational toward them. And wildly irrational to what they said they want.
Take....Trump. Those supporting him hate RINOs and want a true conservative. Yet Trump has expressed support for single payer medicine, what these same conservatives have dismissed as communism and fascism. Trump has expressed support for limited amnesty. Trump has been a registered democrat.
By any rational standard, Trump is an obvious RINO by their own standards. Yet they still support him. Are they irrational? If their stated goal is taken at face value, you bet. But.....if they are sick of politics and politicians and want to express their dissatisfaction for a party they don't believe takes them seriously? Then their actions are explicitly rational.
Yeah, fascinating, I've been wondering about this, too. The conservative base will reject a candidate who strays away from orthodoxy (I saw Fiorina being called a RINO yesterday), but the rules are clearly different for Trump and Trump alone.By any rational standard, Trump is an obvious RINO by their own standards. Yet they still support him. Are they irrational? If their stated goal is taken at face value, you bet. But.....if they are sick of politics and politicians and want to express their dissatisfaction for a party they don't believe takes them seriously? Then their actions are explicitly rational.
I'd love to see some comments on that.
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So you're confident that his views now are consistently conservative?Yeah, fascinating, I've been wondering about this, too. The conservative base will reject a candidate who strays away from orthodoxy (I saw Fiorina being called a RINO yesterday), but the rules are clearly different for Trump and Trump alone.By any rational standard, Trump is an obvious RINO by their own standards. Yet they still support him. Are they irrational? If their stated goal is taken at face value, you bet. But.....if they are sick of politics and politicians and want to express their dissatisfaction for a party they don't believe takes them seriously? Then their actions are explicitly rational.
I'd love to see some comments on that.
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I think I can explain. First of all, Trump has addressed his changed positions and references Ronald Reagan's switching parties to illustrate how people change their minds over time. I think his supporters believe him when he explains his change of heart on abortion and other issues. It's as simple as that.
Most of the people supporting Trump are not Republican loyalists. They are fed up with the Republicans AND the Democrats. They are especially fed up with the PC Liberal Left who, quite frankly, want to act like petulant 7th-graders, both when governing and campaigning. The pinheads who would rather rant all day about gay rights, a fucking flag, or "blood shooting" comments instead of having a meaningful dialogue on the problems facing our country.
THEY ARE DONE! Got it? DONE!
In short... IF you are a partisan political hack... you got a BIG problem and his name is Trump!
He's a joke, he is just doing this for notoriety and entertainment.
He doesn't need more notoriety... everyone on the planet knows who Trump is. Entertainment? I'm sure Trump could find much less expensive and more fun ways to entertain himself, let's be real.
That's what Trump is about--entertainment. He admitted to buying politicians on both sides of the isle. He's got the money to buy polling data too.
Oh shit! Well, you're in fucking trouble then since most morons look at poll numbers to decide what they think! If Trump has bought off all the pollsters, you're in for a long tough year! You best be trying to figure out how to hang on to the moron votes in your party before they start believing in the polls Trump's bought!
He knows you're all angry--and he's playing you like a fiddle--until he tires of it and drops out of this race.
Yes, we ARE angry... And I doubt seriously he is going to get tired of WINNING the presidency and drop out.... but I guess you have to WISH, right?
I could probably find about 200 hundred people within the next hour who DON'T know who Donald Trump is.
Yeah, fascinating, I've been wondering about this, too. The conservative base will reject a candidate who strays away from orthodoxy (I saw Fiorina being called a RINO yesterday), but the rules are clearly different for Trump and Trump alone.By any rational standard, Trump is an obvious RINO by their own standards. Yet they still support him. Are they irrational? If their stated goal is taken at face value, you bet. But.....if they are sick of politics and politicians and want to express their dissatisfaction for a party they don't believe takes them seriously? Then their actions are explicitly rational.
I'd love to see some comments on that.
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I think I can explain. First of all, Trump has addressed his changed positions and references Ronald Reagan's switching parties to illustrate how people change their minds over time. I think his supporters believe him when he explains his change of heart on abortion and other issues. It's as simple as that.
Most of the people supporting Trump are not Republican loyalists. They are fed up with the Republicans AND the Democrats. They are especially fed up with the PC Liberal Left who, quite frankly, want to act like petulant 7th-graders, both when governing and campaigning. The pinheads who would rather rant all day about gay rights, a fucking flag, or "blood shooting" comments instead of having a meaningful dialogue on the problems facing our country.
THEY ARE DONE! Got it? DONE!
In short... IF you are a partisan political hack... you got a BIG problem and his name is Trump!
So you're confident that his views now are consistently conservative?
Also, how do you feel conservatives would react if he came out with two or three views that are not?.
What's embarrassing is your support of a failed Presidency. Mr Obama is seeing it right In front of him. Take your social engineering experiment and cram it.It's a shame that conservatives are too stupid to be embarrassed,
because when the Trump pretend candidacy disappears it would be so much fun to embarrass his supporters.
Yeah, that math doesn't work. As it doesn't matter what you compare 38% to, its not 'most'. Most is at least half. And you don't have anywhere near those numbers. Meanwhile, moderates and liberals make up 57% of Americans.In and of itself, this spectacle may very well convince a lot of voters that conservatives are not fit to govern, and conservatives will have nobody to blame but themselves.
Seeing how MOST of the voters ARE Conservative, I don't see it convincing them they aren't fit to govern.... I DO see it telling liberals they can't govern because they lost their elections and have to go home... they won't be convinced they aren't fit to govern.
No, most voters aren't conservatives. Most voters are moderates and liberals.
We've been through this. You literally hallucinate conservatives that don't exist, and ignore anyone who self identifies as a moderate or a liberal as 'actually' being a conservative.
That's not how reality works.
Yeah, Corky... you need to learn how to read graphs... or maybe learn double-digit numbers.... 38% is higher than 34% or 23%.
Sigh.....in what world is 38% 'most americans'? We've done this dance before, slick. You lost. And we'll do it again. The majority of Americans are not conservatives. They are self identified moderates and liberals. 57% to 38%.
You know this. You pretend it isn't so. And reality doesn't change just because you close your eyes.
Sigh.....in what world is 38% 'most americans'?
The one where 38 is greater than 34 and 23.
Yeah, we've been through this before... you want to lay claim to all the moderates as if none of them are conservative.
Democrats better get ready! Thats not the only poll!
You just keeping your hope alive idiot. And Trumps numbers are STILL going up..Democrats better get ready! Thats not the only poll!
A dream for Hillary
Of course Trump will not win but he will cause enough damage to the other Republicans to make them unelectable
Yeah, that math doesn't work. As it doesn't matter what you compare 38% to, its not 'most'. Most is at least half. And you don't have anywhere near those numbers. Meanwhile, moderates and liberals make up 57% of Americans.Seeing how MOST of the voters ARE Conservative, I don't see it convincing them they aren't fit to govern.... I DO see it telling liberals they can't govern because they lost their elections and have to go home... they won't be convinced they aren't fit to govern.
No, most voters aren't conservatives. Most voters are moderates and liberals.
We've been through this. You literally hallucinate conservatives that don't exist, and ignore anyone who self identifies as a moderate or a liberal as 'actually' being a conservative.
That's not how reality works.
Yeah, Corky... you need to learn how to read graphs... or maybe learn double-digit numbers.... 38% is higher than 34% or 23%.
Sigh.....in what world is 38% 'most americans'? We've done this dance before, slick. You lost. And we'll do it again. The majority of Americans are not conservatives. They are self identified moderates and liberals. 57% to 38%.
You know this. You pretend it isn't so. And reality doesn't change just because you close your eyes.
Sigh.....in what world is 38% 'most americans'?
The one where 38 is greater than 34 and 23.
Just FYI, 57% is 'most'. As in 'most Americans are liberal or moderate.' Or 'most Americans *aren't* conservatives'.
See how that works?
Yeah, we've been through this before... you want to lay claim to all the moderates as if none of them are conservative.
A self proclaimed moderate isn't a liberal or a conservative. But a moderate. How do we know?
We asked. These are self identified numbers. Much like your 'Lincoln campaigned on Abolition' idiocy, you're quite literally arguing your imagination. Where you pretend that you know more than folks do themselves about their own political ideology.
Um.....you don't. No matter how hard you pretend. And no, most Americans aren't conservative. And you already knew this.
A self proclaimed moderate isn't a liberal or a conservative.
Exactly, so why are you trying to lump them together with the liberals? IF we're going to divide three ways and use your data... which I don't agree with, btw... then there are more conservatives than either moderates or liberals.
But the thing is... your entire graph is prefaced on a falsification. You are comparing two measures and an ideology. Or two apples and an orange. "moderate" and "conservative" are measures... the third would be "extreme." Liberalism is an ideology. There are conservative liberals. Bill Clinton is a conservative liberal. How would he register on your graph? A moderate? He's not a moderate liberal and he's not an extreme liberal... he is a conservative one.
You're kind of equivocating on the terms there, aren't you? Liberal and conservative are both measures, and they're both ideologies, depending on the context.
You're kind of equivocating on the terms there, aren't you? Liberal and conservative are both measures, and they're both ideologies, depending on the context.
Conservative is not an ideology, Liberalism is. Moderate, like conservative and extreme, is a measure.
THEY are the ones who created the Frankenstein ideology of Conservatism, which includes every undesirable viewpoint known to man and then some. Conservatism is a philosophy and it is actually the "moderate" philosophy to extremism. Moderates are people confused by the false Frankenstein ideology, they don't want to be associated with that but they are also not down with Liberalism so they define themselves as "Moderates" but their philosophy is mostly conservative.
Seriously, how can you expect to address someone who tells you conservatism is not an ideology but liberalism is and than goes on a wackadoodle misinformed rant.You're kind of equivocating on the terms there, aren't you? Liberal and conservative are both measures, and they're both ideologies, depending on the context.
Conservative is not an ideology, Liberalism is. Moderate, like conservative and extreme, is a measure.
You're acting as if these words have only one meaning, but you know better.
THEY are the ones who created the Frankenstein ideology of Conservatism, which includes every undesirable viewpoint known to man and then some. Conservatism is a philosophy and it is actually the "moderate" philosophy to extremism. Moderates are people confused by the false Frankenstein ideology, they don't want to be associated with that but they are also not down with Liberalism so they define themselves as "Moderates" but their philosophy is mostly conservative.
Again, one can make exactly the same claims about Liberalism. And I can just as genuinely claim that most moderates don't want to be associated with the Frankenstein ideology of Librul, so they identify as moderates, but really they're mostly liberal.
I'm not making an "it's all wash argument", ideology is important, but you are equivocating on different definitions. There are ideologies, however murky and convoluted they may be, that we identify as Liberal and Conservative - often referred to as left and right wing. And there are the characterizations (measures) of liberal and conservative.
You're describing hard rightwingers, no Democrats or liberals in that depiction at all. Get real.Yeah, fascinating, I've been wondering about this, too. The conservative base will reject a candidate who strays away from orthodoxy (I saw Fiorina being called a RINO yesterday), but the rules are clearly different for Trump and Trump alone.By any rational standard, Trump is an obvious RINO by their own standards. Yet they still support him. Are they irrational? If their stated goal is taken at face value, you bet. But.....if they are sick of politics and politicians and want to express their dissatisfaction for a party they don't believe takes them seriously? Then their actions are explicitly rational.
I'd love to see some comments on that.
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I think I can explain. First of all, Trump has addressed his changed positions and references Ronald Reagan's switching parties to illustrate how people change their minds over time. I think his supporters believe him when he explains his change of heart on abortion and other issues. It's as simple as that.
Most of the people supporting Trump are not Republican loyalists. They are fed up with the Republicans AND the Democrats. They are especially fed up with the PC Liberal Left who, quite frankly, want to act like petulant 7th-graders, both when governing and campaigning. The pinheads who would rather rant all day about gay rights, a fucking flag, or "blood shooting" comments instead of having a meaningful dialogue on the problems facing our country.
THEY ARE DONE! Got it? DONE!
In short... IF you are a partisan political hack... you got a BIG problem and his name is Trump!
OMG this has to be the wildest primary season. RINO'S are running for Extra Strength Immodium AD as I post this thread.
Kick it up notches unknown! Go Donny! Go Donny!
First big post-debate poll shows Donald Trump GAINED 7 points and sits at 32 Daily Mail Online
First major post-debate poll shows Trump GAINED 7 points from the previous week and has backing of 32 per cent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents
- Stunning result after Trump attracted criticism over debate performance on Thursday
- Trump has 32 per cent nationally among registered Republicans and independents who say they lean to the right
- No one is anywhere near The Donald, with Jeb Bush in second place at just 11 per cent
- Poll supervised by former Washington Post journalist and shows no one else in double digits
