How could anyone be "independent" or a "swing voter" at this time in history?

[bigrebnc1775]

The only real question is how people can continue to support the duopoly, mostly by not voting at all.

a vote for an independent is a vote for the democrat party

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Agree to a major extent. Up until two years ago I was non-partisan. I registered Republican in principle, because a vote for a democrat is a vote against common sense and decency.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no common ground between the parties. The old "two sides of the same coin" paradigm of the 1990's has long past. "The establishment NO LONGER controls either party.

It's now National-Federalist-Libertarian-constitutional-republicans vs Global-Unitary-Marxist- democrats (one world mob-rule).

We want the United States to define and secure its border, maintain the Federalist doctrine of dual sovereignty , with limits on both the federal and state governments on individual persons, in accordance with an enduring social contract (that is meant to be difficult to amend) that preserves a Republican form of government.

Democrats want a global state with no border, with one big giant command center of unelected "experts," to redistribute all resources according to mob demand. LOL

Because both parties SUCK! 2 wings of the same bird.

If both party's suck why is those who ran as independents vote with democrats?

 

[Red Wolf]

I'm an independent because I know neither side has all the answers nor do I believe that either are evil. We are more nuanced than that and to think everything can be labelled and placed into a neat little one size fits all kind of box is just unrealistic.

Furthermore the only thing party politics has accomplished is to further divide people. We're to busy demonizing and hating one another simply for being on the "wrong side". We have to be better than that because that is the only way we're going to get a leader who truly intends to unite us and work for the betterment of the people. But as long as we continue to behave the way we do, our leadership will only reflect who we are as a society.

If my not choosing "sides" bothers you or anyone else than that's going to have to be something that you work out on your own. Voting party simply beacause we share a D or R in front is just dangerous and irresponsible and I will not blindly contribute to that sort of self destructive behavior. I will always choose integrity, honesty, and respectfulness regardless of affiliation simply because they will legitimately care about this nation and the people. So far those kinds of people are far and few between.

Look, the fence sitter / Libertarian resume always sounds noble as fuck...it’s supposed to, but that doesn’t make it less ignorant.
Would I have been a total and complete dumbass if on the day of the Super Bowl I bet on the Patriots to win?
I hated both teams...the Niners and the Chiefs but one of the two were going to win...it makes first grade level sense to bet on one of the two with a chance at winning.
I know, I know...”false equivalency”....right Golfing Gator ?

I have a very high bar for the people I vote for. Basically if you have traits about you that I wouldn't want in a spouse, someone that I will spend the rest of my life with, than I'm not going to vote to put you in a position of power that effects not just me, but billions of of other people. I do not condone dishonesty or bullish behavior and I will not reward it. Now you may see that as fence sitting, but for me that is exercising the only voice I have, however miniscule it may be.

I thought that was how everyone was supposed to vote? how do you feel you are unique?

I never said I was.

you posted it as you were special in your decision making prospects. You imply others don't have a high bar for people they vote for. again, it would seem you either have someone who matches all your criteria or no one. Compromise is necessary, otherwise you'd never get a candidate voted in. What a waste of a vote.

I never implied I was special. All I did was state my own criteria. And I am well aware that my bar is so high that I probably won't be voting any time soon. But is asking for someone with honesty and integrity someone you should compromise on?

 

[Mac1958]

There is no common ground between the parties.

Well, there's the answer to the question of your thread title.

The chasm between the two whacked out, intolerant, narcissistic parties is so wide now that there are many of us who are repulsed by both.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, just trying to eat our damn lunch during a food fight. And we wish those kids would stop.

I don't know why this would be a mystery.
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Why do elected Independents vote democrat and why haven't you ever asked those you voted for?

1. I don't know.
2. I've never cared enough to ask.
.

 

[Billiejeens]

Proud independent voter here. Proud not to be beholden to a party like a little sheep. If this post is any attempt to induce change it is beyond a fail I laugh like crazy when a post tells me I SHOULD be voting this way or that way. That's more reason NOT to vote for a party.

Not sure of the OP's motive, but most people would simply wonder why you are not involved in politics.

 

[Mac1958]

But is asking for someone with honesty and integrity someone you should compromise on?

Please don't. We already have more than enough people selling their soul for politicians who don't give two shits about them.

We need more people who are willing to hold people to standards.
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[bigrebnc1775]

There is no common ground between the parties.

Well, there's the answer to the question of your thread title.

The chasm between the two whacked out, intolerant, narcissistic parties is so wide now that there are many of us who are repulsed by both.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, just trying to eat our damn lunch during a food fight. And we wish those kids would stop.

I don't know why this would be a mystery.
.

Why do elected Independents vote democrat and why haven't you ever asked those you voted for?

1. I don't know.
2. I've never cared enough to ask.
.

and you claim you don't support the democrats when you vote supports them and you bragged about not caring lol
YOU'RE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT

 

[Mac1958]

There is no common ground between the parties.

Well, there's the answer to the question of your thread title.

The chasm between the two whacked out, intolerant, narcissistic parties is so wide now that there are many of us who are repulsed by both.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, just trying to eat our damn lunch during a food fight. And we wish those kids would stop.

I don't know why this would be a mystery.
.

Why do elected Independents vote democrat and why haven't you ever asked those you voted for?

1. I don't know.
2. I've never cared enough to ask.
.

and you claim you don't support the democrats when you vote supports them and you bragged about not caring lol
YOU'RE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT

Would you like to try that in English this time?

I'll be happy to respond if you can be coherent.
.

 

[Billiejeens]

Gipper is correct in the aspect that both parties are beholden to the wealthy and corporatists. Irrefutable when one examines what goes on.

Be much better to listen to the poorest people because they clearly are good at making fantastic decisions, yes?

 

[Preacher]

There is no common ground between the parties. The old "two sides of the same coin" paradigm of the 1990's has long past. "The establishment NO LONGER controls either party.

It's now National-Federalist-Libertarian-constitutional-republicans vs Global-Unitary-Marxist- democrats (one world mob-rule).

We want the United States to define and secure its border, maintain the Federalist doctrine of dual sovereignty , with limits on both the federal and state governments on individual persons, in accordance with an enduring social contract (that is meant to be difficult to amend) that preserves a Republican form of government.

Democrats want a global state with no border, with one big giant command center of unelected "experts," to redistribute all resources according to mob demand. LOL

Because both parties SUCK! 2 wings of the same bird.

If both party's suck why is those who ran as independents vote with democrats?

Beats me...I assume you are talking about Angus King and Bernie Sanders? Well Sanders is a Democratic Socialist not a "liberal" or whatever the demoncrats are calling themselves today. No idea why King did.

 

[Red Wolf]

Depends on what you're asking for. I'm not so much concerned about policy position as I am over who the person is as a person.

Your emotions have you by the balls...daddy issues maybe?
Most of us have / had grandfathers, fathers, brothers, uncles, friends, mentors, pastors...etc etc...We don't really look to the POTUS for emotional support...we vote for real leaders pushing effective policies, leaders willing to fight for Americas best citizens. This really shouldn't be all that trivial.

The person I vote for is going to be someone who doesn't slam others just for having a different view point. They're going to be someone who doesn't feel the need to deceive or lie about themselves or others. This person will fight to unite us all, not just one party. If you want to see that as me letting my emotions getting the best of me than you go ahead. But I will not vote for someone who strives on division and hate.

oh, name one of those politicians?

I will when I find one.

so you don't vote

Not unless someone good comes along.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no common ground between the parties.

Well, there's the answer to the question of your thread title.

The chasm between the two whacked out, intolerant, narcissistic parties is so wide now that there are many of us who are repulsed by both.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, just trying to eat our damn lunch during a food fight. And we wish those kids would stop.

I don't know why this would be a mystery.
.

Why do elected Independents vote democrat and why haven't you ever asked those you voted for?

1. I don't know.
2. I've never cared enough to ask.
.

and you claim you don't support the democrats when you vote supports them and you bragged about not caring lol
YOU'RE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT

Would you like to try that in English this time?

I'll be happy to respond if you can be coherent.
.

Your dodge is noted

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no common ground between the parties. The old "two sides of the same coin" paradigm of the 1990's has long past. "The establishment NO LONGER controls either party.

It's now National-Federalist-Libertarian-constitutional-republicans vs Global-Unitary-Marxist- democrats (one world mob-rule).

We want the United States to define and secure its border, maintain the Federalist doctrine of dual sovereignty , with limits on both the federal and state governments on individual persons, in accordance with an enduring social contract (that is meant to be difficult to amend) that preserves a Republican form of government.

Democrats want a global state with no border, with one big giant command center of unelected "experts," to redistribute all resources according to mob demand. LOL

Because both parties SUCK! 2 wings of the same bird.

If both party's suck why is those who ran as independents vote with democrats?

Beats me...I assume you are talking about Angus King and Bernie Sanders? Well Sanders is a Democratic Socialist not a "liberal" or whatever the demoncrats are calling themselves today. No idea why King did.

most issues Independents will vote democrats
You vote Independent your vote goes to the democrats don't ever doubt you're not part of the democrat party.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, there's the answer to the question of your thread title.

The chasm between the two whacked out, intolerant, narcissistic parties is so wide now that there are many of us who are repulsed by both.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, just trying to eat our damn lunch during a food fight. And we wish those kids would stop.

I don't know why this would be a mystery.
.

Why do elected Independents vote democrat and why haven't you ever asked those you voted for?

1. I don't know.
2. I've never cared enough to ask.
.

and you claim you don't support the democrats when you vote supports them and you bragged about not caring lol
YOU'RE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT

Would you like to try that in English this time?

I'll be happy to respond if you can be coherent.
.

Your dodge is noted

Last try: I definitely think of myself as a left-leaning Independent, and I vote Democrat more often than Republican.

I have also had a few thousand squabbles with people I refer to as the Regressive Left here. Use the search function. You should be able to handle that.

So, I'm just not ideological.

I don't know how I can make this any more fucking simple for you people. I'm tired of pretending that I'm talking to six year olds.
.

 

[Preacher]

There is no common ground between the parties. The old "two sides of the same coin" paradigm of the 1990's has long past. "The establishment NO LONGER controls either party.

It's now National-Federalist-Libertarian-constitutional-republicans vs Global-Unitary-Marxist- democrats (one world mob-rule).

We want the United States to define and secure its border, maintain the Federalist doctrine of dual sovereignty , with limits on both the federal and state governments on individual persons, in accordance with an enduring social contract (that is meant to be difficult to amend) that preserves a Republican form of government.

Democrats want a global state with no border, with one big giant command center of unelected "experts," to redistribute all resources according to mob demand. LOL

Because both parties SUCK! 2 wings of the same bird.

If both party's suck why is those who ran as independents vote with democrats?

Beats me...I assume you are talking about Angus King and Bernie Sanders? Well Sanders is a Democratic Socialist not a "liberal" or whatever the demoncrats are calling themselves today. No idea why King did.

most issues Independents will vote democrats
You vote Independent your vote goes to the democrats don't ever doubt you're not part of the democrat party.

I am EXTREMELY pro 2nd amendment. Trump and any democrat suck on 2nd amendment, I am for closing ALL foreign bases and bringing ALL troops home, Trump and all democrats aren't the closest to wanting that was Trump that CAMPAIGNED and Tulsi Gabbard. I am for ending ALL foreign aid. No candidate I have heard of wants that. This year I won't vote for president more than likely. I haven't looked at the 3rd party candidates but I know it won't be Green or Libertarian so that MIGHT leave the Constitution party but I dunno.

 

[Red Wolf]

But is asking for someone with honesty and integrity someone you should compromise on?

Please don't. We already have more than enough people selling their soul for politicians who don't give two shits about them.

We need more people who are willing to hold people to standards.
.

I'll never vote "the lesser of two evils" or do it to spite a candidate because of the actions of someone else. Their are some things in this life we can compromise on, morals should not be one of them.

 

[Mac1958]

Their are some things in this life we can compromise on, morals should not be one of them.

Well, we're sadly far beyond that now.

We're not all required to be a part of it, thankfully.
.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Over the past few months there has been a massive demonstration of kabuki theater, the impeachment and trial. Meanwhile the bipartisan spending machine continues to move forward, handing over additional monies and power to this president who was impeached for abusing the powers of his office.

I'd stay out of the fight if I were you...vote for Mickey Mouse and brag about it, I'm sure you'll be a difference maker that way. That makes perfect sense in LibTardia.

And your vote for potus matters just exactly how much?

Oh, that's brilliant. "We are all individually insignificant, therefore nobody should bother to vote at all."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Look, the fence sitter / Libertarian resume always sounds noble as fuck...it’s supposed to, but that doesn’t make it less ignorant.
Would I have been a total and complete dumbass if on the day of the Super Bowl I bet on the Patriots to win?
I hated both teams...the Niners and the Chiefs but one of the two were going to win...it makes first grade level sense to bet on one of the two with a chance at winning.
I know, I know...”false equivalency”....right Golfing Gator ?

I have a very high bar for the people I vote for. Basically if you have traits about you that I wouldn't want in a spouse, someone that I will spend the rest of my life with, than I'm not going to vote to put you in a position of power that effects not just me, but billions of of other people. I do not condone dishonesty or bullish behavior and I will not reward it. Now you may see that as fence sitting, but for me that is exercising the only voice I have, however miniscule it may be.

so you and mac have no compromise possible to vote for a candidate. it's all or nothing huh?

Depends on what you're asking for. I'm not so much concerned about policy position as I am over who the person is as a person.

Your emotions have you by the balls...daddy issues maybe?
Most of us have / had grandfathers, fathers, brothers, uncles, friends, mentors, pastors...etc etc...We don't really look to the POTUS for emotional support...we vote for real leaders pushing effective policies, leaders willing to fight for Americas best citizens. This really shouldn't be all that trivial.

The person I vote for is going to be someone who doesn't slam others just for having a different view point. They're going to be someone who doesn't feel the need to deceive or lie about themselves or others. This person will fight to unite us all, not just one party. If you want to see that as me letting my emotions getting the best of me than you go ahead. But I will not vote for someone who strives on division and hate.

So until Jesus Christ shows up and throws His hat in the ring, you're just going to abstain and let the world function as it will without your input? What other things in your life do you just blow off and let spiral into Hell unobstructed because of a lack of perfect choices?