How did Birth Control become a right?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

The law is not limited to prescriptions. It covers any and all forms of birth control. But even still, why should the federal government force an employer to carry prescription coverage?

that isn't a question relevant only to birth control.

and the fact is they DO provide prescription coverage... and it is relevant because most of us have employer based insurance.

Prescription coverage is a rider, not part of all plans. It's no different than cosmetic surgery or dental.

IF you do have prescription coverage, it will cover birth control pills as it does Viagra. However this idiotic law goes beyond birth control pills. That's kind of the point.

The main point here is that the federal government should not be dictating what kind of coverage an employer carries for it's employees. That's as un-American as it gets; especially since this was nothing more than vote buying in the first place.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

Of all the really stupid idiotic things to rollback jeez. Companies can exclude birth control from coverage if it has religious or moral objection? What is this 1945 or 2017 omg? Who would want to work for a company who has a moron running it who would actually want to exclude birth control for moral reasons? Any CEO doing that is so stupid he wouldn't even be competent enough to shine shoes for a living.

 

[sartre play]

Never said birth control was a right, just that it would be the smarter thing... help avoid unwanted children, abortions,& young teens the uncared for children living on the streets or joining gangs to be part of a "family".

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

Of all the really stupid idiotic things to rollback jeez. Companies can exclude birth control from coverage if it has religious or moral objection? What is this 1945 or 2017 omg? Who would want to work for a company who has a moron running it who would actually want to exclude birth control for moral reasons? Any CEO doing that is so stupid he wouldn't even be competent enough to shine shoes for a living.

That may be your opinion, but the subject is should government be in the position to force companies to provide benefits they don't want to provide for any reason?

 

[John Shaw]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

It's amazing to me that the same people who complain about the abortion rate, would also deny women access to birth control.

Birth control is a basic health need for women of child bearing age, unless they want a dozen children. If my health insurance is part of my salary package, it damn well better have birth control as part of that package, because my employer has no right to tell me what I do with my body.

This is discrimination against female workers. Especially when you consider that men are having their Viagara covered.

You don't have a right to sex. That's something a person has to choose to do (with some unfortunate exceptions). So shut the fuck up.

 

[John Shaw]

The decision to have a child or not is absolutely a health issue. And a societal issue.

Nevertheless having sex is something most people do for enjoyment. It is not cancer. It is not MND. It is not a broken leg. It is a recreational activity. Why should I pay for your recreational activities?

Well, a couple reasons.

1. Because, ultimately, it is better for the collective, society as a whole, to have healthy citizens and wanted babies by people who are prepared in all ways to raise them.

2. Because you are not paying for the recreational activity but are sharing the cost of ensuring that "recreational activity" does not become part of a larger, more expensive and more damaging societal issue.

3. Because the definition of "recreational activities" is vague and seems to apply solely to birth control.

4. Because you pay for all sorts of "recreational activities" which have health consequences. Are you suggesting that everyone should pay their own medical care for all "recreational activities"? So people who own guns get no paid medical care or insurance for gunshot wounds? Sports practitioners get no medical coverage for sports injuries or chronic disease from their sport? That smokers should get no medical coverage for disease arising from smoking? Ditto drinking and drug use. That fat people should get no medical coverage for obesity related diseases? That meat eaters should get no medical coverage from cancers relating to consumption of meat? That people who choose to have children should pay for their own child's education and medical coverage?

Are you suggesting that employees should fill out a form listing all their "recreation activities" and have all of those items be excluded from their medical coverage?

1. I don't give a fuck what's good for society or the collective. Y'all can kiss my ass.

2. If people have kids they can't afford, why should that be my problem? Let them go hungry.

3. No.

4. Yes. They should all pay for their bad decisions and fuck-ups. Like I always have mine.

 

[hadit]

A lot of people take medications that keep them alive. Where are their advocates to force everyone else to pay for that?


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Public medication plans are starting to happen more and more in the Western world. But here we're talking about employers who already have health plans who don't want to include birth control because they think their invisible friend will disapprove, as though that's the only strike they'd have against them for getting into a non-existant invisible paradise.

Why should the government have the power to force employers to provide anything at all for their employees? It would be more honest for the government to create a new welfare program and supply it directly. This way just interferes with private contracts.


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Because so much of our healthcare system is based on employer supplied Health Care duh!

So change it. Create a new welfare program.


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What do you have against birth control?

Nothing. Why? What do you have against freedom?


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[hadit]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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[Dr Grump]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Shouldn't cover viagra either. Just because it is prescription doesn't mean it should be covered. Unless there is a health issue. But just purely so you won't get pregnant? Your problem. Not mine.

 

[John Shaw]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Shouldn't cover viagra either. Just because it is prescription doesn't mean it should be covered. Unless there is a health issue. But just purely so you won't get pregnant? Your problem. Not mine.

Amen brother. Amen.

 

[francoHFW]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Until you are an old geezer, a hole...
old geezer, a hole

until you are an old geezer a******. You know how much a Viagra pill cost at Walmart?$37. God GOP voters are a pain in the ass...

 

[francoHFW]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Shouldn't cover viagra either. Just because it is prescription doesn't mean it should be covered. Unless there is a health issue. But just purely so you won't get pregnant? Your problem. Not mine.

Amen brother. Amen.

Those people don't need Viagra do have a health problem caused by diabetes heart problems etcetera you stupid ignorant typical GOP voter...

 

[John Shaw]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Shouldn't cover viagra either. Just because it is prescription doesn't mean it should be covered. Unless there is a health issue. But just purely so you won't get pregnant? Your problem. Not mine.

Amen brother. Amen.

Those people don't need Viagra do have a health problem caused by diabetes heart problems etcetera you stupid ignorant typical GOP voter...

Was that a sentence?

 

[francoHFW]

Since Viagra is still covered, who is, well, you know? If only guys can do it. You know what I mean.

The great thing is that Medicare and Medicaid don't cover Viagra when most men need it. Great job GOP...

 

[francoHFW]

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Shouldn't cover viagra either. Just because it is prescription doesn't mean it should be covered. Unless there is a health issue. But just purely so you won't get pregnant? Your problem. Not mine.

Amen brother. Amen.

Those people don't need Viagra do have a health problem caused by diabetes heart problems etcetera you stupid ignorant typical GOP voter...

Was that a sentence?

Most people who need Viagra do have health problems that cause the need. God damn phone LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Every other modern country has good Healthcare. Thanks GOP and perfect dupes of greedy Rich assholes...

 

[John Shaw]

I have not heard of Viagra being needed for heart problems. Isn't there something better suited for treating something like that? Seems a little strange.

 

[francoHFW]

I have not heard of Viagra being needed for heart problems. Isn't there something better suited for treating something like that? Seems a little strange.

Actually it's the medicine for heart problems the medicine for diabetes and the medicine for prostate and many other things that cause ED... So you young GOP pups should think of the future for a change... Try a little empathy and thought...

 

[Markle]

You men probably insisted upon it, you got tired of paying for abortions.

No, I didn't date stupid women nor did I behave irresponsibly.

 

[francoHFW]

Luckily for everyone generic Viagra is coming out by the end of the year. So why do we have crap Healthcare, dupes?