How do Independents support either major party right now?

[Oddball]

Well, I gotta vote. Even if it's for the Psychopath Party.
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No you don't.

 

[SAYIT]

There are people like me who lean one way (left, in my case), but who are simply repulsed by what's happening there. This is semantics, of course, but the differences are clear from my perspective.

Accepting that the world of tomorrow will probably be much different than today is something older people have a huge problem with and that political opportunists take advantage of. I am an older person and I am aware of a host of charlatans crowding in around me trying to make me fear a future that I will have no part in. Not buying it.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same." - French writer Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

The Democrat Socialist Party People have changed and have given Repubs tons of ammo.

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

I don't think they've changed, I just don't think they feel the need to hide it any more.

Yeah ... I meant changed out of their sheep's clothing and into ANTIFA uniforms.

I'm getting lazy.

 

[Oddball]

As most of us (hopefully) know, Independents don't carefully reside in the exact middle of the political spectrum. That's just the shallow characterization used by partisan ideologues in a feeble effort to discredit those who choose to think for themselves. Independents will usually lean one way or the other, but they're just not afraid to hold that side fully accountable for its transgressions.

Okay, that said: With the Democratic Party clearly moving sharply to the Left, and the GOP now almost completely encased within their separate ideological/informational closed circuit, how is an Independent going to vote for the side to which they lean?

As for me, as much as I want to vote against Trump and the modern incarnation of the GOP, voting for Democrats on a national level is becoming less and less likely. So I'm keeping my eyes open for potential third party candidates.

I know we some REAL Independents here. What say you? How do you deal with this?
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Being ‘neutral’ in the middle of a civil war is the lowest of the low.

Fighting a civil war over whose iron fist you'd rather toil under is the stupidest of the stupid.

 

[whitehall]

Seriously folks, what's not to like about the Trump administration? The economy is good, unemployment is low and we are at relative peace. Is it all about TDS? Can you phony "independents" admit that you are motivated by hatred? Would you really consider voting for anyone in the democrat clown car? Anybody who thinks a 3rd party candidate is going to come along and save your dumb asses needs therapy.

 

[occupied]

There are people like me who lean one way (left, in my case), but who are simply repulsed by what's happening there. This is semantics, of course, but the differences are clear from my perspective.

Accepting that the world of tomorrow will probably be much different than today is something older people have a huge problem with and that political opportunists take advantage of. I am an older person and I am aware of a host of charlatans crowding in around me trying to make me fear a future that I will have no part in. Not buying it.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same." - French writer Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

The Democrat Socialist Party People have changed and have given Repubs tons of ammo.

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

 

[Oddball]

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

 

[SAYIT]

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

Met with skepticism by life's bitter losers and your definition of "free market solutions to social problems" is expensive new gov't programs with big new taxes and bigger central gov't to spend 'em? Do you have a clue just how stupid that is?

 

[Norman]

One party is pro-Mexico and anti-America.

Not very difficult choice.

 

[occupied]

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

By life's losers and your definition of "free market solutions to social problems" is expensive new gov't programs with big new taxes and bigger central gov't to spend 'em? Do you have a clue just how stupid that is?

What I call "free market solutions" is the way republicans do things. They see a social problem and they say "How can big business make some money off this"? Where there is no profit there is no problem worth dealing with.

 

[Pooh]

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

By life's losers and your definition of "free market solutions to social problems" is expensive new gov't programs with big new taxes and bigger central gov't to spend 'em? Do you have a clue just how stupid that is?

What I call "free market solutions" is the way republicans do things. They see a social problem and they say "How can big business make some money off this"? Where there is no profit there is no problem worth dealing with.

YOU see a social problem and you think "how much of other people's money can I throw at this?"

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

As most of us (hopefully) know, Independents don't carefully reside in the exact middle of the political spectrum. That's just the shallow characterization used by partisan ideologues in a feeble effort to discredit those who choose to think for themselves. Independents will usually lean one way or the other, but they're just not afraid to hold that side fully accountable for its transgressions.

Okay, that said: With the Democratic Party clearly moving sharply to the Left, and the GOP now almost completely encased within their separate ideological/informational closed circuit, how is an Independent going to vote for the side to which they lean?

As for me, as much as I want to vote against Trump and the modern incarnation of the GOP, voting for Democrats on a national level is becoming less and less likely. So I'm keeping my eyes open for potential third party candidates.

I know we some REAL Independents here. What say you? How do you deal with this?
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In our binary system…you can vote for red or blue unless you want to either not vote or vote for principal in almost every election to a federal post.

The Democrats reflect my values more than the Republicans….so they will get my vote for federal offices because in our system…having the Oval and not having Congress means nothing and vice-versa.

Is Trump making racist comments (thus making him a racist)? Yes. You can’t argue otherwise.
Did Trump make fun of a person with a physical disability? Yes. You can’t argue otherwise.
Does Trump lie almost daily? Yes. You can’t argue otherwise.

If you don’t mind voting for a racist who makes fun of people born with disabilities who lies daily…vote for Trump. I’m perplexed why anyone considers anything besides that…

Politics aside…if you’re not repulsed by Trump….you have deep seated problems.

The Democrats reflect my values more than the Republicans…

Like killing born and unborn babies, got it.
Allowing men into little girls rooms, got it.
Taxing everyone into poverty , got it.
Restricting your rights so when you order a coke you must beg for a straw, got it.
Let men compete against women so women have no chance to win, got it.

Did I miss something that the Demonrats reflect your values?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The only possible third party candidate we will ever see would be an ultra-nationalist right winger. Trumpism is not going away any time soon.

That might be true. But the valley between the two parties is so wide right now that I don't know why someone hasn't stepped in.

A very worrisome possibility is that someone who might jump in has determined the country LIKES this madness and wouldn't vote for them.

If that's the case, we may be fucked for a while.
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Centrism is pretty much an endorsement of the status quo. There is no way a centrist can unite the two sides because the time for half-measures and slow incremental change is long gone. Drastic change is the new normal and people are needed who can deal with it.

There is a difference between being centrist and being independent.

As I pointed out in the OP, Independents usually lean one way. We just don't bend over for the tribe, because that would be dishonest and weak.
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Being weak would be voting for Obama twice thinking that he would do something else beside fuck them for the 1st 4 years, then after learning their lesson the next 4 years, they stop bending over for the fucking and want something nice, like lower taxes and a chance at a job.

 

[whitehall]

People who claim to be politically "independent" are the truly ignorant or those who can't grasp the significance of political issues but mostly "independents" are democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Trump but have enough sense not to support the clown car of democrat candidates.

 

[leftwinger]

Mac1958 you ignorant independent enabling ho. They take in $3.5T yet they spend $4.5T and you want us to go along, get along? WTH?

Talk radio is not Taxing and spending? The DemRino are doing it at acellerated rates since 2007. You are bamboozzled by your commee MSM.

You will never get iff the List like this.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

the only thing that needs to be said in this thread is IF you vote for either party,you are part of the problem since both are corrupt and neither represent the people,they represent the bankers.

If they dont serve the bankers and dont follow the rules of the corrupt two party system,they end up like kennedy who was NOT part of the corrupt two party system.He was a democrat in NAME only. the establishment knew Johnson WOULD play ball with them if he got in and he did.once he got in,he reversed all of kennedys policys. Kennedy was stepping on some very powerful toes in washington.something no president since then has attempted.

there is no hope for the future of the country or the world as long as we have this corrupt two party system and unable to get an indpendent in office who will follow the constitution and serve the people instead of the bankers as every president since Johnson all have.

everything else posted in this thread is all irrelevent.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac1958 you ignorant inedepenent enabling ho. They take in $3.5T yet they spend $4.5T and you want us to go along, get along? WTH?

I think you should do whatever you want.

There ya go!
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[occupied]

"If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer" said Dem 2020 candidate John Hickenlooper who was promptly booed by the "free" stuff sheeple.

Well seeing as how the champions of what we call "capitalism" have not done a damned thing to save it from itself it's hardly surprising that "free market" solutions to social problems are met with skepticism.

By life's losers and your definition of "free market solutions to social problems" is expensive new gov't programs with big new taxes and bigger central gov't to spend 'em? Do you have a clue just how stupid that is?

What I call "free market solutions" is the way republicans do things. They see a social problem and they say "How can big business make some money off this"? Where there is no profit there is no problem worth dealing with.

YOU see a social problem and you think "how much of other people's money can I throw at this?"

Are you familiar with the leaky roof metaphor? You fix the roof when the leak is small before it ruins a bunch of other stuff. We are now dealing with a host of problems that have festered so long from neglect that they seem impossible. Tell me how even greater neglect fixes a roof?

 

[CowboyTed]

As a libertarian, I think that Trumplethinskin has the better policies. The Dems want to open the borders to gain more voters, that's severely dishonest.

So the libertarian wants to vote for the authoritarian who massively increased the deficit.

By the way Democrats don't want open borders...

Also, Libertarian view is to have open borders:
Libertarian perspectives on immigration - Wikipedia
"This is a huge debate among people who otherwise swear fealty to "limited government." Many people who claim to want freedom seem to have no problem with the implications of a closed-border policy: national IDs, national work permits, non-stop surveillance, harassment of all businesses, a "papers please" culture, mass deportation, tens of billions in waste, bureaucrats wrecking the American dream, broken families, [and] the rights of Americans and foreigners transgressed at every turn" - Jeffrey A. Tucker Why Open Borders? | Jeffrey A. Tucker

So Trump has immigration polices opposite Libertarian view....

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Calling people dumbass for stating there opinion, does that seem dumb to anyone?

"There" opinion?

It might not be in your best interests to call others dumb.


If a person is trying to portray themselves as something they are most obviously not, however,the word is just one of many to describe their lame attempt at subterfuge.

 

[Taz]

As a libertarian, I think that Trumplethinskin has the better policies. The Dems want to open the borders to gain more voters, that's severely dishonest.

So the libertarian wants to vote for the authoritarian who massively increased the deficit.

By the way Democrats don't want open borders...

Also, Libertarian view is to have open borders:
Libertarian perspectives on immigration - Wikipedia
"This is a huge debate among people who otherwise swear fealty to "limited government." Many people who claim to want freedom seem to have no problem with the implications of a closed-border policy: national IDs, national work permits, non-stop surveillance, harassment of all businesses, a "papers please" culture, mass deportation, tens of billions in waste, bureaucrats wrecking the American dream, broken families, [and] the rights of Americans and foreigners transgressed at every turn" - Jeffrey A. Tucker Why Open Borders? | Jeffrey A. Tucker

So Trump has immigration polices opposite Libertarian view....

If you don't control the borders, you have no country. Otherwise, I'm a Libertarian.