How Do We Eradicate Partisanship From American Politics?

[daws101]

Actually the Founding Fathers mostly opposed the idea of legal political parties, as I understand it.

Let's always keep in mind that the Founders were twentysomethings.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the framers of the Constitution were mostly twenty-somethings? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

The oldest one was Ben Franklin and he was in his mid 40's
Very few people lived to be 60.

 

[Unkotare]

The average age of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was 44.

 

[daws101]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...r_the_leaders_of_the_american_revolution.html

many Founding Fathers were younger than 40 years old in 1776, with several qualifying as Founding Teenagers or Twentysomethings. And though the average age of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was 44, more than a dozen of them were 35 or younger.

 

[boedicca]

Partisanship is done and gone. We are two separate people with nothing in common.

Snicker!
Nothing in common ?
How about the language, the culture , food .
Walmart ?
You are a stupid bitch.

Yes, we have become two separate people: Civilized Folks and Vulgar Cretins such as you.

Yet, you're the one supporting the vulgar, thrice-married, tax-cheating, deadbeat businessman who is under allegations of rape. #ConservativeValues

Silly little floor sweeper. I'm against hiLIARy being President. I haven't decided for whom I plan to vote.

If you vote Trump you will be throwing away your vote.

Forgive me for not taking your opinion at all seriously.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually the Founding Fathers mostly opposed the idea of legal political parties, as I understand it.

Let's always keep in mind that the Founders were twentysomethings.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the framers of the Constitution were mostly twenty-somethings? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

The oldest one was Ben Franklin and he was in his mid 40's...

Incorrect.

Benjamin Franklin was born in 1706, and lived until 1790.

When the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, Dr. Franklin was already 70 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

...Very few people lived to be 60.

Death Age of the Founding Fathers...

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You were about as wrong as wrong can be on this one.

Next time, do your homework.

 

[martybegan]

It's a known fact that the country has been steadily getting more and more partisan as far as politics are concerned.

Republicans are forever bemoaning that fact w/the meme "such and such is dividing", whenever referring to a Democrat politician of course.

Nevermind that Republicans vowed to not do anything that would benefit President Elect Obama on the night of his swearing in. They obstructed him at every turn, to the point that this has been the most do-nothing Congress since they've been keeping track of their approval rate, with percentages as low as 9% approval.

It's gotten to the point that it doesn't matter what the issue is, everything is seen through purely partisan political lenses, where "your guy" is the devil incarnate, and "my guy" can simply do no wrong. Leaving the American People suffering as the result.

So how do you propose we get rid of partisan politics and get down to the business of The People?

Anyone?

you are making it sound like only republicans are partisan Marc....

I'm referring to the most current and/or most glaring case of it.

We all know both sides do it too.

Your whole argument boils down to "Waaaah people who think like me aren't getting our way, waaaaah!!!"

Considering that Obama has been proverbially pistol-whipping Republicans all over the place in the political arena, that's pretty darn funny.

LMBAO!!!

You are nothing but a homer when it comes to any views on Obama or democrats in general.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm against hiLIARy being President. I haven't decided for whom I plan to vote.

Correct. It's been decided for you.

Now be a good little wingnut and vote for the (R). #ConservativeValues

 

[Synthaholic]

Actually the Founding Fathers mostly opposed the idea of legal political parties, as I understand it.

Let's always keep in mind that the Founders were twentysomethings.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the framers of the Constitution were mostly twenty-somethings? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

Here are notable people's ages on July 4, 1776:

• Andrew Jackson, 9
• (Major) Thomas Young, 12
• Deborah Sampson, 15
• James Armistead, 15
• Joseph Plumb Martin, 15
• Peter Salem, 16**
• Peggy Shippen, 16
• Marquis de Lafayette, 18
• James Monroe, 18
• Henry Lee III, 20
• Gilbert Stuart, 20
• John Trumbull, 20
• Aaron Burr, 20
• John Marshall, 20
• Nathan Hale, 21
• Banastre Tarleton, 21
• Alexander Hamilton, 21**
• Benjamin Tallmadge, 22
• Robert Townsend, 22
• George Rodgers Clark, 23
• David Humphreys, 23
• Gouveneur Morris, 24
• Betsy Ross, 24
• William Washington, 24
• James Madison, 25
• Henry Knox, 25
• John Andre, 26
• Thomas Lynch, Jr., 26*
• Edward Rutledge, 26*
• Abraham Woodhull, 26
• Isaiah Thomas, 27
• George Walton, 27* **
• John Paul Jones, 28
• Bernardo de Galvez, 29
• Thomas Heyward, Jr., 29*
• Robert R. Livingston, 29
• John Jay, 30
• Tadeusz Kosciuszko, 30
• Benjamin Rush, 30*
• Abigail Adams, 31
• John Barry, 31
• Elbridge Gerry, 31*
• Casimir Pulaski, 31
• Anthony Wayne, 31
• Joseph Brant, 33
• Nathanael Greene, 33
• Thomas Jefferson, 33*
• Thomas Stone, 33* **
• William Hooper, 34*
• Arthur Middleton, 34*
• James Wilson, 34* **
• Benedict Arnold, 35
• Samuel Chase, 35*
• Thomas Knowlton, 35
• William Paca, 35*
• John Penn, 35*
• Hercules Mulligan, 36
• Andrew Pickens, 36
• Haym Solomon, 36
• John Sullivan, 36
• George Clymer, 37*
• Charles Cornwallis, 37
• Thomas Nelson, Jr., 37*
• Ethan Allen, 38
• Charles Carroll, 38*
• King George III, 38
• Francis Hopkinson, 38*
• Carter Braxton, 39*
• George Clinton, 39
• John Hancock, 39*
• Daniel Morgan, 39
• Thomas Paine, 39
• Patrick Henry, 40
• Enoch Poor, 40
• John Adams, 40*
• Daniel Boone, 41
• William Floyd, 41^
• Button Gwinnett, 41* **
• John Lamb, 41**
• Francis Lightfoot Lee, 41*
• Paul Revere, 41
• Thomas Sumter, 41
• Robert Morris, 42*
• Thomas McKean, 42*
• George Read, 42*
• John Dickinson, 43
• John Glover, 43
• Benjamin Edes, 43
• Samuel Huntington, 44*
• Richard Henry Lee, 44*
• Charles Lee, 44
• Francis Marion, 44
• Lord North, 44
• George Washington, 44
• Joseph Galloway, 45
• Robert Treat Paine, 45*
• Friedrich von Steuben, 45
• Richard Stockton, 45*
• Martha Washington, 45
• William Williams, 45*
• (Dr.) Thomas Young, 45
• Josiah Bartlett, 46*
• Henry Clinton, 46
• Joseph Hewes, 46*
• William Howe, 46
• George Ross, 46*
• William Whipple, 46*
• Caesar Rodney, 47*
• John Stark, 47
• Mercy Otis Warren, 47
• William Ellery, 48*
• Horatio Gates, 48
• Artemas Ward, 48
• Oliver Wolcott, 49*
• Abraham Clark, 50*
• Benjamin Harrison, 50*
• Lewis Morris, 50*
• Lord Stirling, 50
• George Wythe, 50* **
• Guy Carleton, 51
• John Morton, 51* **
• Comte de Rochambeau, 51
• Lyman Hall, 52*
• James Rivington, 52**
• Samuel Adams, 53*
• Comte de Grasse, 53
• John Witherspoon, 53*
• John Burgoyne, 54
• Johann de Kalb, 55
• Roger Sherman, 55*
• Thomas Gage, 56
• James Smith, 56*
• Israel Putnam, 58
• Comte de Vergennes, 58
• Lewis Nicola, 59**
• George Germain, 60
• Philip Livingston, 60*
• George Taylor, 60* **
• Matthew Thornton, 62*
• Francis Lewis, 63*
• John Hart, 65* **
• Stephen Hopkins, 69*
• Benjamin Franklin, 70*
• Samuel Whittemore, 81

 

[JakeStarkey]

Add 11 years to those ages, weed out those who were not at the Constitutional Convention, and show us the result.

You idiot.

 

[MarcATL]

It's a known fact that the country has been steadily getting more and more partisan as far as politics are concerned.

Republicans are forever bemoaning that fact w/the meme "such and such is dividing", whenever referring to a Democrat politician of course.

Nevermind that Republicans vowed to not do anything that would benefit President Elect Obama on the night of his swearing in. They obstructed him at every turn, to the point that this has been the most do-nothing Congress since they've been keeping track of their approval rate, with percentages as low as 9% approval.

It's gotten to the point that it doesn't matter what the issue is, everything is seen through purely partisan political lenses, where "your guy" is the devil incarnate, and "my guy" can simply do no wrong. Leaving the American People suffering as the result.

So how do you propose we get rid of partisan politics and get down to the business of The People?

Anyone?

Don't you ever tire with the same Ole shtick
How about passing bills and working with both sides?

How about no ramming legislation or using courts to pass your priorities?

What's my "shtick?"

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Don't play coy.

No, tell me...what is it?

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[MarcATL]

Create term limits for Congress. Remove the people that have rigged the system and intentionally place Americans against each other for their own gain.

Remove how, by force?

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[MarcATL]

It's a known fact that the country has been steadily getting more and more partisan as far as politics are concerned.

Republicans are forever bemoaning that fact w/the meme "such and such is dividing", whenever referring to a Democrat politician of course.

Nevermind that Republicans vowed to not do anything that would benefit President Elect Obama on the night of his swearing in. They obstructed him at every turn, to the point that this has been the most do-nothing Congress since they've been keeping track of their approval rate, with percentages as low as 9% approval.

It's gotten to the point that it doesn't matter what the issue is, everything is seen through purely partisan political lenses, where "your guy" is the devil incarnate, and "my guy" can simply do no wrong. Leaving the American People suffering as the result.

So how do you propose we get rid of partisan politics and get down to the business of The People?

Anyone?

you are making it sound like only republicans are partisan Marc....

I'm referring to the most current and/or most glaring case of it.

We all know both sides do it too.

Obama's policies were a bridge to far for most Republicans ,not his color,was it good for the tax payer not at all.
Both parties are guilty,whos worse depends on the day.Obama wasn't the most humble winner didn't get things off on
a good note.
Trump is a result of Republicans cluster same with Sanders.

What policies exactly? Specifically BEFORE he actually took office.

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i dont think he was talking before he took office Marc,more like after in was in and started saying what he wanted to accomplish.....

My entire point was that Republicans were practicing partisanship against Obama before he even took office though.

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[JBond]

I made a couple of suggestions. The 17th Amendment is an issue. This forum is filled with partisan hacks. I have no idea who you are, but returning rights is critical to progress. Say you live in a comfy suburb, or you live in a state that is the 12th largest economy, how much influence do you believe you wield?

 

[JBond]

you are making it sound like only republicans are partisan Marc....

I'm referring to the most current and/or most glaring case of it.

We all know both sides do it too.

Obama's policies were a bridge to far for most Republicans ,not his color,was it good for the tax payer not at all.
Both parties are guilty,whos worse depends on the day.Obama wasn't the most humble winner didn't get things off on
a good note.
Trump is a result of Republicans cluster same with Sanders.

What policies exactly? Specifically BEFORE he actually took office.

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i dont think he was talking before he took office Marc,more like after in was in and started saying what he wanted to accomplish.....

My entire point was that Republicans were practicing partisanship against Obama before he even took office though.

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Obama said a lot of stupid shit. His drug habit, his fear of people with different skin pigmentation etc. Lots of video. His spiritual counselor was thrown overboard like his grandmother for political expectancy.

 

[JBond]

Remove how, by force?

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Who said force?

 

[Freewill]

It's a known fact that the country has been steadily getting more and more partisan as far as politics are concerned.

Republicans are forever bemoaning that fact w/the meme "such and such is dividing", whenever referring to a Democrat politician of course.

Nevermind that Republicans vowed to not do anything that would benefit President Elect Obama on the night of his swearing in. They obstructed him at every turn, to the point that this has been the most do-nothing Congress since they've been keeping track of their approval rate, with percentages as low as 9% approval.

It's gotten to the point that it doesn't matter what the issue is, everything is seen through purely partisan political lenses, where "your guy" is the devil incarnate, and "my guy" can simply do no wrong. Leaving the American People suffering as the result.

So how do you propose we get rid of partisan politics and get down to the business of The People?

Anyone?

OK, after a few days with this on the front page have you told us what you plan on doing about partisanship? I assume you to be black. I also assume you to be a democrat. I have observed that on every occasion you have taken the side of the democrats.

So, since you seem to be one of those that are quite partisan can you tell me what you plan on doing to end partisanship?

If your answer is the same as what liberals always say then for get it. Doing everything the left wants isn't going to happen.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually the Founding Fathers mostly opposed the idea of legal political parties, as I understand it.

Let's always keep in mind that the Founders were twentysomethings.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the framers of the Constitution were mostly twenty-somethings? Sorry, but I call bullshit.

Here are notable people's ages on July 4, 1776:

• Andrew Jackson, 9
• (Major) Thomas Young, 12
• Deborah Sampson, 15
• James Armistead, 15
• Joseph Plumb Martin, 15
• Peter Salem, 16**
• Peggy Shippen, 16
• Marquis de Lafayette, 18
• James Monroe, 18
• Henry Lee III, 20
• Gilbert Stuart, 20
• John Trumbull, 20
• Aaron Burr, 20
• John Marshall, 20
• Nathan Hale, 21
• Banastre Tarleton, 21
• Alexander Hamilton, 21**
• Benjamin Tallmadge, 22
• Robert Townsend, 22
• George Rodgers Clark, 23
• David Humphreys, 23
• Gouveneur Morris, 24
• Betsy Ross, 24
• William Washington, 24
• James Madison, 25
• Henry Knox, 25
• John Andre, 26
• Thomas Lynch, Jr., 26*
• Edward Rutledge, 26*
• Abraham Woodhull, 26
• Isaiah Thomas, 27
• George Walton, 27* **
• John Paul Jones, 28
• Bernardo de Galvez, 29
• Thomas Heyward, Jr., 29*
• Robert R. Livingston, 29
• John Jay, 30
• Tadeusz Kosciuszko, 30
• Benjamin Rush, 30*
• Abigail Adams, 31
• John Barry, 31
• Elbridge Gerry, 31*
• Casimir Pulaski, 31
• Anthony Wayne, 31
• Joseph Brant, 33
• Nathanael Greene, 33
• Thomas Jefferson, 33*
• Thomas Stone, 33* **
• William Hooper, 34*
• Arthur Middleton, 34*
• James Wilson, 34* **
• Benedict Arnold, 35
• Samuel Chase, 35*
• Thomas Knowlton, 35
• William Paca, 35*
• John Penn, 35*
• Hercules Mulligan, 36
• Andrew Pickens, 36
• Haym Solomon, 36
• John Sullivan, 36
• George Clymer, 37*
• Charles Cornwallis, 37
• Thomas Nelson, Jr., 37*
• Ethan Allen, 38
• Charles Carroll, 38*
• King George III, 38
• Francis Hopkinson, 38*
• Carter Braxton, 39*
• George Clinton, 39
• John Hancock, 39*
• Daniel Morgan, 39
• Thomas Paine, 39
• Patrick Henry, 40
• Enoch Poor, 40
• John Adams, 40*
• Daniel Boone, 41
• William Floyd, 41^
• Button Gwinnett, 41* **
• John Lamb, 41**
• Francis Lightfoot Lee, 41*
• Paul Revere, 41
• Thomas Sumter, 41
• Robert Morris, 42*
• Thomas McKean, 42*
• George Read, 42*
• John Dickinson, 43
• John Glover, 43
• Benjamin Edes, 43
• Samuel Huntington, 44*
• Richard Henry Lee, 44*
• Charles Lee, 44
• Francis Marion, 44
• Lord North, 44
• George Washington, 44
• Joseph Galloway, 45
• Robert Treat Paine, 45*
• Friedrich von Steuben, 45
• Richard Stockton, 45*
• Martha Washington, 45
• William Williams, 45*
• (Dr.) Thomas Young, 45
• Josiah Bartlett, 46*
• Henry Clinton, 46
• Joseph Hewes, 46*
• William Howe, 46
• George Ross, 46*
• William Whipple, 46*
• Caesar Rodney, 47*
• John Stark, 47
• Mercy Otis Warren, 47
• William Ellery, 48*
• Horatio Gates, 48
• Artemas Ward, 48
• Oliver Wolcott, 49*
• Abraham Clark, 50*
• Benjamin Harrison, 50*
• Lewis Morris, 50*
• Lord Stirling, 50
• George Wythe, 50* **
• Guy Carleton, 51
• John Morton, 51* **
• Comte de Rochambeau, 51
• Lyman Hall, 52*
• James Rivington, 52**
• Samuel Adams, 53*
• Comte de Grasse, 53
• John Witherspoon, 53*
• John Burgoyne, 54
• Johann de Kalb, 55
• Roger Sherman, 55*
• Thomas Gage, 56
• James Smith, 56*
• Israel Putnam, 58
• Comte de Vergennes, 58
• Lewis Nicola, 59**
• George Germain, 60
• Philip Livingston, 60*
• George Taylor, 60* **
• Matthew Thornton, 62*
• Francis Lewis, 63*
• John Hart, 65* **
• Stephen Hopkins, 69*
• Benjamin Franklin, 70*
• Samuel Whittemore, 81

Post No. 166 says it all - authoritatively.

The sampling domain was limited - by the poster's own words - to Founding Fathers - signers of the Declaration and/or framers of the Constitution.

I don't think you'll find many Signers or Framers who were twenty-somethings on July 4, 1776, but you're welcome to try.

 

[MarcATL]

It's a known fact that the country has been steadily getting more and more partisan as far as politics are concerned.

Republicans are forever bemoaning that fact w/the meme "such and such is dividing", whenever referring to a Democrat politician of course.

Nevermind that Republicans vowed to not do anything that would benefit President Elect Obama on the night of his swearing in. They obstructed him at every turn, to the point that this has been the most do-nothing Congress since they've been keeping track of their approval rate, with percentages as low as 9% approval.

It's gotten to the point that it doesn't matter what the issue is, everything is seen through purely partisan political lenses, where "your guy" is the devil incarnate, and "my guy" can simply do no wrong. Leaving the American People suffering as the result.

So how do you propose we get rid of partisan politics and get down to the business of The People?

Anyone?

Well, you could start by not writing idiotic partisan bigoted crap like this. But to do that, you would have to ... think

"Bigoted?"

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[Mac1958]

Partisans gonna partisan.

The more they're culturally marginalized, the better for the country.

 

[MarcATL]

I'm referring to the most current and/or most glaring case of it.

We all know both sides do it too.

Obama's policies were a bridge to far for most Republicans ,not his color,was it good for the tax payer not at all.
Both parties are guilty,whos worse depends on the day.Obama wasn't the most humble winner didn't get things off on
a good note.
Trump is a result of Republicans cluster same with Sanders.

What policies exactly? Specifically BEFORE he actually took office.

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i dont think he was talking before he took office Marc,more like after in was in and started saying what he wanted to accomplish.....

My entire point was that Republicans were practicing partisanship against Obama before he even took office though.

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Obama said a lot of stupid shit. His drug habit, his fear of people with different skin pigmentation etc. Lots of video. His spiritual counselor was thrown overboard like his grandmother for political expectancy.

You're clearly parsing the facts through partisan lenses. What's the point?

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