How Evil is Libertarianism anyway?

[Centinel]

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

I obviously don't know what anyone on this thread has done.

I am, of course, referring to those who advocate the initiation of aggression, either by themselves or by others in their stead.

 

[dblack]

But what do you mean by 'initiating aggression'? Is more of your 'War of Northern Aggression' nonsense? Or something new?

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

Who is the 'they' in your 'why can't they just admit that they're the ones who are committing unethical acts by initiating aggression'?

"They" is those who advocate the initiation of aggression against their fellow man.

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

The point is that many of the laws people here advocate aren't protecting anyone's rights. They're simply naked mandates and backed by coercion. Which is aggressive.

 

[Skylar]

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

I obviously don't know what anyone on this thread has done.

I am, of course, referring to those who advocate the initiation of aggression, either by themselves or by others in their stead.

So a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to this conversation then.

As no one has argued for 'robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.'

 

[Skylar]

But what do you mean by 'initiating aggression'? Is more of your 'War of Northern Aggression' nonsense? Or something new?

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

Who is the 'they' in your 'why can't they just admit that they're the ones who are committing unethical acts by initiating aggression'?

"They" is those who advocate the initiation of aggression against their fellow man.

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

The point is that many of the laws people here advocate aren't protecting anyone's rights. They're simply naked mandates and backed by coercion. Which is aggressive.

Now we're getting somewhere. So any mandate backed by coercion that isn't protecting rights.....is aggression.

Would starvation be coercion?

 

[Centinel]

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

Advocated for the initiation of aggression against their fellow man? Well, yeah. Some advocate the initiation of aggression against those who decline doing business with others. There are those who advocate initiating aggression against those who ignore their tax requests. And there are those who advocate initiating aggression against those who don't pay the approved wage.

Lots of advocacy for initiation of aggression, as I've seen so far.

 

[Skylar]

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

Advocated for the initiation of aggression against their fellow man? Well, yeah. Some advocate the initiation of aggression against those who decline doing business with others.

So a fine for the violation of public accommodation laws would be an act of aggression. Why?

Its thoroughly constitutional, especially at the State level.

There are those who advocate initiating aggression against those who ignore their tax requests.

Tax 'requests'? What are those?

And if you mean tax *requirements*, then would you label Washington and the Founding fathers 'aggressive' for their mandatory taxation?

If not, why not?

 

[Centinel]

So a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to this conversation then.

Hypothetical? Not really? I'm talking about those who advocate initiating aggression against others for their own purpose.

For example, initiating aggression against a person for not baking a cake for someone else. One example among many.

 

[Centinel]

So a fine for the violation of public accommodation laws would be an act of aggression. Why?

It would be an INITIATION of aggression, because it would be the first aggressive act committed. Not doing business with someone is not an act of aggression. It is an act of ignoring.

 

[dblack]

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

Who is the 'they' in your 'why can't they just admit that they're the ones who are committing unethical acts by initiating aggression'?

"They" is those who advocate the initiation of aggression against their fellow man.

Has anyone in this thread done any such thing? Or is this a uselessly hypothetical 'they' with no connection to the board, this thread, or any conversation within it?

The point is that many of the laws people here advocate aren't protecting anyone's rights. They're simply naked mandates and backed by coercion. Which is aggressive.

Now we're getting somewhere. So any mandate backed by coercion that isn't protecting rights.....is aggression.

Would starvation be coercion?

If it were mandated by law, yep.

 

[bripat9643]

Initiation of aggression

Such a drama queen

Are you intimating that you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

They sure as hell are aggression. How does government collect taxes without aggressing against people who are minding their own business?

By the rule of law you moron.

So if the rule of law says push the Jews into the gas ovens, that's not aggression?

"The rule of law" isn't a magic incantation that turns an immoral act into a moral one. Neither is "majority rule."

 

[bripat9643]

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

But you agree that it's unethical for one person to initiate aggression against another's person or property? Or do you think we each have the right to do so?

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

 

[bripat9643]

Initiation of aggression

Such a drama queen

Are you intimating that you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

That's not how I read it.

That's exactly what he's implying.

 

[bripat9643]

They still haven't established why respecting the person and property of one's fellow man is evil?

because they want it

So why can't they just admit that they're the ones who are committing unethical acts by initiating aggression? It seems a serious projection problem.

Because the want to loot and rob their fellow citizens while posing as "compassionate" and peaceful.

 

[bripat9643]

Initiation of aggression

Such a drama queen

Are you intimating that you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

That's not how I read it.

So do you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

Can you be a little more specific. 'Initiate aggression' is about as vague as as is possible in the English language.

No, it's actually very precise. The more correct term would be "initiate the use of force." Using a gun to defend yourself against a rapist is using force, but you wouldn't be initiating it. Robbing a liquor store using a gun would be initiating force. Taxation is also initiating force.

 

[bripat9643]

Can you be a little more specific. 'Initiate aggression' is about as vague as as is possible in the English language.

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

What you mean is "initiation of force." By definition, "aggression" implies initiation of force.

 

[bripat9643]

But what do you mean by 'initiating aggression'? Is more of your 'War of Northern Aggression' nonsense? Or something new?

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

Who is the 'they' in your 'why can't they just admit that they're the ones who are committing unethical acts by initiating aggression'?

You.

 

[Wry Catcher]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

 

[Wry Catcher]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

Exactly, he's referring to the tyranny of the majority. The left only support the minority when it rationalizes the tyranny of the majority

Another moron, but who's counting. In our democratic republic, We the People elect representatives to make laws.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Initiation of aggression

Such a drama queen

Are you intimating that you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

They sure as hell are aggression. How does government collect taxes without aggressing against people who are minding their own business?

By the rule of law you moron.

So if the rule of law says push the Jews into the gas ovens, that's not aggression?

"The rule of law" isn't a magic incantation that turns an immoral act into a moral one. Neither is "majority rule."

You're not only a moron, I suspect you are nuts too.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

But you agree that it's unethical for one person to initiate aggression against another's person or property? Or do you think we each have the right to do so?

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

Again, further evidence that for most on the right, ignorance and stupidity are prerequisites for being conservative.