How Long To Jail Democrats on Russian Collusion ?

Should Hillary, Obama, Clapper and Brennan be prohibited from leaving the US.

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had his investigation into Obama produced any merit, it certainly would have led to Obama’s removal from office.

Lock him up! That’s now treason according to the president of the United States.

It it had merit, then that would have been a great service to our nation, but it didn't. Nor did Trump ever initiate prosecution. And therein lies the key difference. The accusation was not made legally manifest, nor should it have been, because it was pure bullshit.
There was no prosecution levied against trump. And had Mueller’s investigation found evidence that Trump conspired with Russian hackers, that too would have been a great service to the nation.

So no, no difference.

Lock him up!
But there was prosecution initiated against people in Trump's inner circle, in an attempt to fallaciously indict Trump himself.

Don't forget Mccabe's testimony.


Also, don't forget Mccabe/Rosenstien and the 25th Amendment.

Senate panel will probe McCabe’s claim that Rosenstein raised possibility of ousting Trump through 25th Amendment, Graham says
 
Although the death sentence would be proper justice for these traitors, there are times when we must recognize that proper justice can result in disastrous consequences.

Bullshit. WTF is the word treason FOR? If you wanna play softball go over there in the corner with your wool and hang with the other sheep. If America is strong enough to survive, find and name the criminals that perpetrated this attempted coup, America can certainly survive hangings in Gitmo that would not be seen by the public. In fact, the tree of liberty needs watering about now. Watered with the blood of traitors and commies to set an example for the next 300 years. Otherwise we go like the Romans. A fall from within.

I guarantee that taking punitive action will result in a hostile communist revolution, aided by foreign governments.

Do not proceed.
 
I guarantee that taking punitive action will result in a hostile communist revolution, aided by foreign governments.


So you are afraid of threats from wannabe bullies? Sheese, I'm glad your not in charge. Turn your yellow streak so the bully can see it today, tomorrow you'll be waking up in the hospital. You never had a fight in your life did you? Did you always run from trouble?
 
I guarantee that taking punitive action will result in a hostile communist revolution, aided by foreign governments.


So you are afraid of threats from wannabe bullies? Sheese, I'm glad your not in charge. Turn your yellow streak so the bully can see it today, tomorrow you'll be waking up in the hospital. You never had a fight in your life did you? Did you always run from trouble?

Actually I did four years in prison on a drug (cocaine) sale charge.

Try Again.

If there's one thing prison teaches you, are the realistic limits of retribution, whether or not the cause of such retribution are or aren't just.

Go around jail and punch anyone who even slightly disrespects you and see how long you last.

If someone steals your shit (commissary), you fuck em up.

If someone says "suck my dick"... you fuck em up.

If someone says "I don't want to talk to you because you're white..." you DO NOT fuck them up, unless you every non white motherfucker punching you day and night afterwards. And therein lies the analogy. There are realistic limits on retribution.

Go spend a month in jail and get back to me.

To sum it up: All actions, even just actions, have consequences, either good or bad.

You want to take a just (and patriotic) action that will result in a terrible consequence...a communist takeover (the polar opposite of patriotic).

I commend your enthusiasm, but it cannot be done for the very safety of our Republic and Constitution.

These aren't "empty threats" from "wannabe bullies."

These are Deep State agents and provocateurs capable of rallying an armed domestic and foreign insurrection.

The best result (even though tragic) would be a domestic civil war only, the worst (and most likely) scenario are foreign powers assisting in such a matter.
 
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The only Fake News was the Russia-Gate Hoax, an attempted coup against the United States. An illegal a treasonous takeover, as Donald Trump himself says at time = 20:30 in this video:


LOLOL

Well if Lyin’ Donald says it, it must be true then.


I'll take Trump's words as fact unless proven otherwise. He and his family, and many others and their families, have been through a terrible ordeal because of you commiecrats.


His words have been shown to be lies over 9,000 times. And his family hasn't been put through anything. You're talking crazy since we have not seen the Mueller report.

I do not know if he lied or lied that much. But there are lies and there are lies.......Obamacare.....you can keep...

I kept....

Sucker like me paid. I would watch them melt your family down and turned into currency to be given back to the ones who were ripped off. You still do not know why Trump was elected. You steal from those who struggle and actually are proud of it.
 
The Kavanaugh hearings was not a judicial proceeding so he is not entitled to due process. A number of people contradicted what Kavanaugh said raising the possibility he lied to Congress. For a sitting judge, that is a serious offense. The new President in 2020 should open up a criminal investigation of Kavanaugh.
Fool.That matters not. I said Democrats PROCLAIMED that due process did not matter. FACT, not opinion. Get it ?

As for the proven liars who PRETENDED to contradict Kavanaugh, they are lucky to not be in prison right now

In 2020, there will not be any "new president" HA HA . Trump will be re-elected in a landslide. The voters got scammed in 2018, by the Russian collusion con artists. They won't let that happen again. The Democrat candidate will be about as popular as CNN and MSNBC, whose ratings are in free fall right now, after the revelation of the collusion hoax.

Trump Mocks MSNBC, CNN Ratings Drops After Mueller Probe: ‘Fake News Never Wins!’

Rachel Maddow's ratings collapse after Mueller probe closes — and she's not the only one

The Kavanaugh hearings were not a judicial process so they were RIGHT to say that due process does not matter. Republicans didn't care about Merrick Garland's due process as they refused to vote on his nomination. FACT.

Dr Ford is not a proven liar. She knew that Kavanaugh was with Judge that day without looking at Kavanaugh's calendar. Several people CONTRADICTED what Kavanaugh said at the hearings.

Suburban women in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania buried Republicans in 2018 and will do so in 2020. Healthcare will bury Trump in 2020. Then you have his attempts to cut welfare and increase defense spending. Cut special Oltympics. That is going to play well in 2020.


Republicans didn't care about Merrick Garland's due process as they refused to vote on his nomination.




Several people CONTRADICTED what Kavanaugh said at the hearings.

and several people, including her own friends, contradicted Ford.
 
Bullshit. More than half of the country thinks there was. See you in November next, tardo.

More than half the country wants to see the actual Mueller report. Only you 30 percent trump cult members think that tardo.
 
Now that the Mueller report is out and Dems, lefty loons and liberals are screaming bloody murder.

Of course they all just "knew" Mueller's report would hang Trump and when it didn't they doubled down on stupidity.

Graham is working to get another special prosecutor to look into the whole thing.

I'd be willing to bet that will be one very, very interesting report.

Wonder just who will need to duck, cover or run like hell??
 
Russia-Gate hoax was a hoax.

You're the only ones that lied and attempted a coup against the Government of the United States.

Also, capitalize Trump, as you would capitalize any other name. Do not dishonor or disrespect him in such a petty manner.
I am?

What did I say about trump’s participation in collusion with Russians,

As far as capitalizing his name, that would require me to respect him. A lying dildo like him deserves no respect.

Then you should have no respect for the entirety of the Democrats of Congress and CNN and MSNBC, for barraging you with lies about Russian collusion.
If they told lies, it’s only because they believed what Republicans were telling them.

Spin it how you want, doesn't matter if someone is a Democrat, Republican, Thorn or a Rose. They lied, knowingly, in an attempt to usurp United States President Donald Trump.
Well, no, it does matter because you keep blaming Democrats and the media when it was actually Republicans who are responsible for Mueller’s investigation.
FFS. How many times do you have to tell these POTUS apologists this? Their brains have turned into Hannity oatmeal.
 
....The Trump campaign did collude with the Russians...

Right, and the Mueller inquisition will prove it any day now...
That is why there were all these lies surrounding Russia.

Eh, who lied about what exactly?

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I’ll tell ya, I always knew that American RW nutbags had no real desire for most of the things they said they wanted.

Fiscal conservatism...moral leadership...government accountability...law and order.

But I never thought they’d throw the veneer away for the likes of a hapless con man like Trump.

This has been and will continue to be an excruciating time for you morons. You have chosen the worst possible person to be your top guy.
 
No, the Republicans and the Trump campaign did not carry on any collusion with the Russians. But the Democrats sure did. Not only that, but the Obama executive branch actively took steps to thwart the Trump campaign.

Is this the biggest political scandal in US history ? It might be. It's only been deflected from the public, due to media partisanship, if not complicity, by all the concentration on the FALSELY charged Russian collusion hoax, ascribed to the Trump campaign.

As often is the case, the truth rises to the surface. That's what's happening now. All the shady dealings of Obama, Hillary, DNC, Lorretta Lynch, et al are about to be investigated, and Democrats will under a very hot light for the next year or more. I just wonder how long it will be before they do jail time, as the crowd at last night's Trump rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan , were chanting "Lock them up, lock them up."

Sure, but how long will it take ?
You know, years ago we used to chuckle over the fickleness of Banana Republics, and now we have folks like you advocating for becoming like them. A nation where the winner gets to jail or 'sanction' the loser. All in the name of the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. And your god was NEVER charged. Also, if you watched Trump's Grand Rapids speech you'd know it is the usual dog whistle stab at the MSM that had the crowd shouting "Lock them up". If it weren't so disasterous, I'd wish you get everything you ask for...a compliant press, a President that supersedes that Constitution you claim to admire and jails by whim for daring to oppose him or try to check his excesses. Who will feed you lies daily like a mama bird feeds her constantly needy brood. And a President that admires and covers for tyrants that murder Americans up close and personal, as in Kashoggi and Warmbier.
 
Of course they all just "knew" Mueller's report would hang Trump and when it didn't they doubled down on stupidity.

Not stupidity. You have to know how communists work, they all have handlers, they do what they are told by the handlers. The rest of us sane people confuse this with "sticking together", when it's just an inability to think for themselves. Our education system did this to the country. To be stupid is a mental deficiency, and for that it takes a brain. Most tards do not have working brains.
 
No, the Republicans and the Trump campaign did not carry on any collusion with the Russians. But the Democrats sure did. Not only that, but the Obama executive branch actively took steps to thwart the Trump campaign.

Is this the biggest political scandal in US history ? It might be. It's only been deflected from the public, due to media partisanship, if not complicity, by all the concentration on the FALSELY charged Russian collusion hoax, ascribed to the Trump campaign.

As often is the case, the truth rises to the surface. That's what's happening now. All the shady dealings of Obama, Hillary, DNC, Lorretta Lynch, et al are about to be investigated, and Democrats will under a very hot light for the next year or more. I just wonder how long it will be before they do jail time, as the crowd at last night's Trump rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan , were chanting "Lock them up, lock them up."

Sure, but how long will it take ?

You will be in your grave and you will still be waiting. The Trump campaign did collude with the Russians. They knew the Russians were trying to help Trump so they decided to accept that help. That is why Manafort gave campaign documents and polling data to a business associate with ties to Russian intelligence. So the Russians would be able to target social media ads to battleground states. Roger Stone had a backdoor to WikiLeaks and knew the Russian hacked e-mails from Podesta would be on WikiLeaks BEFORE they were put up. The Trump campaign again proved their willingness to collude by agreeing to meet a Russian national to get dirt on Clinton. That is why there were all these lies surrounding Russia.
So you will keep watching all of the progressive socialist TV programs to make you feel good.

I am tired of right wing extremism and the first thing to do is take out Trump. He is a symptom of it and the message needs to be sent we are tired of it.
Jimmy Kimmel has taught you well.
 
This is crazy. Trump won't do jack.

Many people are definitely going to be indicted for this Russia-Gate hoax. That is certain.

Can we just point out the only thing we know is the guy Trump appointed says there is nothing wrong in a 4 page memo...

The report is actually 300 pages long and has yet to be released... Bit early for a victory lap..
 
This thread should be under the COMEDY category.
It is so stupid that no one with half a brain can take the OP seriously!

Are you saying those who perpetrated the Russia hoax for the past two years should walk away unscathed?
The top USA Intelligence and Security executives agreed that Russia hacked USA during 2016 election process. No hoax!
Why did Trump disagree with his own experts?
Why did obama tell his intelligence services to stand down thats the real question
 
I fear that Obama, Hillary, Clapper and Brennan and many many other hostile Deep State agents will attempt to flee the United States before they can be arrested, arraigned and indicted for Espionage, Sedition, Insurrection and High Treason. They must be placed in some sort of custody...NOW.

Trump already announced in his Hannity interview a couple of days ago that "serious consequences must follow so no future President, now, 50 years or even 100 years from now, ever has to endure such a travesty ever again....If Republicans did this to a Democrat President, hundreds of people would be in prison for High Treason."

These people are gonna go on the lam and flee the United States before they can be brought to justice, I have not a doubt in my mind.

Fact: Obama approved Russian agents to engage in espionage against the United States:

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump’s inner circle was initially cleared into the United States by the Justice Department under “extraordinary circumstances” before she embarked on a lobbying campaign last year that ensnared the president’s eldest son, members of Congress, journalists and State Department officials, according to court and Justice Department documents and interviews.

This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

....

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has demanded the U.S. government provide him all records on how Veselnitskaya entered and traveled in the U.S., a request that could shed additional light on her activities.
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During a court hearing in early January 2016, as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

“In October the government bypassed 
the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary 
permission to enter the country called immigration parole,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing on Jan. 6, 2016.

“That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the attorney general to do in extraordinary circumstances.

Furthermore we have Hillary Clinton and the DNC conspiring with foreign agents (such as the retired MI6 British agent) to procure and engineer propoganda (Dossier), along with Fusion GPS, to subvert and undermine the legitimacy of the United States President, Donald Trump.

I predict shortly that indictments and convictions of espionage, insurrection and High Treason (as defined explicitly in the US Constitution, Article III) shall ensue against the DNC, hostile agents within the FBI, hostile agents within other US intelligence organizations and US mainstream media organizations for conspiring with foreign governments and agents to usurp the President of the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Judicial Watch Sues for Records of Communication Between James Clapper, John Brennan and CNN - Judicial Watch

Judicial Watch isseeking records of communications between Clapper and Obama CIA Director John Brennan regarding the dossier , which was authored by former British spy and FBI payee Christopher Steele.

The four CNN reporters ....for their coverage of the dossier story.

Brennan, in an interview with NBC News on February 4, 2018 insisted that the Steele dossier “did not play any role whatsoever” in early intelligence assessments on alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Several subsequent reports strongly contradict Brennan’s claim.

18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers,departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or
person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any personnot entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer oremployee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a Stateof the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.

United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.
Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

This would make certain individuals in CNN MSNBC, etc, culpable, for pushing this hoax to usurp Trump (to usurp the authority).

18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

From another USMB poster
They sent another bitch at the NRA, Obama sent a Russian ambassador to Sessions, and arranged a phone call with a Russian ambassador with General Flynn. They used extortion to force Flynn to plea to a petty process crime after Mueller financially ruined him and then started threatening his son.

Nothing Illegal was done, during any of these Obama generated meetings with Russians sent by Obama himself to The Trump Campaign but since Obama had set up a smear campaign long before the election was over, they were already trying to entrap people. Obama remeber contributed $1 Million to The Dossier. He knew exactly what was going on

They tried to get Papadoupolis to
Wear a wire. He was set up too by a close Clinton associate who offered him dirt on Clinton. Dirt he never got, and that wasn’t a crime to have.

Rosenstein offered himself to wear a wire and if they got desperate, they wanted to use the 25th amendment in a way it was never intended to be used and wanted to
weaponize it against Trump.

Makes one wonder who the two traitors were in the Trump Administration, since they actually counted up votes of who they thought would help them abuse the 25th amendment, and they thought just two Judas could be had.

They illegally wiretapped Trump Tower. They even went so far as to plant a fake beacon ping in a Trump Tower Server that talked to another fake beacon ping in a Russian Bank. Russian Alpha Bank. Who has that kind of capabilities? Ask Clapper and Brennan.

Russia was so spooked by that hacking that for the first time in their history, they let The FBI examine their servers at Alpha Bank, unlike the criminal DNC and Clinton who stonewalled weak overtures to look at their servers. In fact, The FBI DOJ and CIA, and NSA were completely uninterested in looking at Clinton’s server until after she was given time to bleach bit it and they had No Interest at all in looking at The DNC server.

The Bible even tells you that you need two independent witnesses to convict a man of a serious crime. What you got instead was a singular paid for consultant paid for by the DNC to tell our so called intelligence agencies that they thought “maybe” Russia hacked The DNC server. They never even mentioned the possibility of Pakistani Criminal Hackers on the premises with Adminsitrative Credentials.

Btw Trump was exonerated by three different investigations for reference.

They knowingly filed false Affidavits in FISA Court, planted news stories, and leaked classified intel, and illegally unmasked people.

They also set up Carter Page. Carter Pages victimization followed the exact same pattern as Papadoupoulis.

They were trying to create the appearance of impropriety at first, but when they lost their only option was try to get Trump impeached so that no one would uncover the treason and election tampering they engaged in.

They really should have just walked away, but they couldn’t. They were in too deep. They were Globalists and Socialists who thought they were saving the planet at the expense of Democracy.

And Democracy and fair elections are disposable inconveniences for such people.

Even looking at Manafort, that whole deal was suspicious. Manafort was working for Clinton and Obama In The Ukraine through The Posesta Group who’s Exec Board is made up of Russians. Joe Biden was involved in the Ukraine at the same time, and he & his son were taking bribes there and they were trying to rig Ukrainian elections like they tried in Israel.

Podesta got immunity and was allowed to retroactively register Manafort as a Foreign Agent. Weird huh, since Mueller went after him for not being properly registered.

The whole thing stinks. These were people that paid Terrorists to assassinate heads of state like Qaddafi and overthrow Governments and we are supposed to believe they would draw some moral red line in the sand and not tamper in elections here in the US where they had far more to gain?

Crossfire Hurricane? More Like Crossfire Treason. They came at Trump
And his Family from multiple angles and plotted a political slaughter upon them.

Last two questions: Why does the media ignore Steele’s Partner, Ex Russian Agent Skirpal who had an attempt on his life and his daughter’s life right when it was revealed Steele was involved in the Dossier and Clinton and Obama Paid for it?

Skirpal is treated as if he is dead. He’s not.

Assange is treated as if dead too. Why wasn’t Assange part of the Investigation?

They will write Novels about this. Novels about how the myth of The Deep State became a Dark Reality and how we Almost lost America and our Democracy but for The Electoral College and a few people that refused to be bullied in to submission.

unless they are charged with a crime officially no. we can't/shouldn't take away people's freedoms cause we "suspect" they may have done something. i also don't want to hear WELL THEY DID IT cause i'm not 4 years old and i don't care. we need to seriously get over the whole "they did it first" and "payback" mantra.

*if* they are charged with something and the normal procedure is to ban travel then yes. but i would not be in favor of doing it "just because".
 

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