How Many Lives Would Have Been Saved Had we Tortured the Captured Paris Terrorist?

[bendog]

But gosh darn it, torture makes us feel like REAL MEN!

Yes, we know about libtards and their sexual fetishes.

That has nothing to do with real life, pig.

Your topic has nothing to do with real life.

So mean to tarnish his fantasy of manliness.

 

[pismoe]

So how many lives could be saved if we made this piece of garbage talk and tell us about these other attacks?

Police Report: 90 More Suicide Bombers Ready to Explode in Europe

The mastermind of the November 2015 Paris attacks told an acquaintance that he was the commander of 90 “kamikazes-in-waiting” who infiltrated Europe to carry out terrorist attacks, according to information contained in a 55-page report compiled by French anti-terrorism officials.
The report was leaked to the New York Times, which published the startling details on Saturday. The report is newly relevant in light of the Islamic State’s Tuesday terror attacks in Brussels that killed at least 31 people and wounded at least 270 others.

The French report included details of a meeting between the Paris mastermind, Abdelhamid Abaaoud; his first cousin, 26-year-old Hasna Aitboulahcen; and a friend of Aitboulahcen’s.

The Times reported:

On Nov. 15, [Aitboulahcen] and a friend drove out to a remote spot along the freeway, where Mr. Abaaoud came out of the bushes and joined them, the report said, quoting the account of the friend.

According to the friend’s account to the police, Mr. Abaaoud regaled them with stories about how he had made it to Europe by inserting himself in the stream of migrants fleeing across the Mediterranean. He explained that he was among 90 terrorists who had made it back and who had gone to ground in the French countryside, the friend told the police.

“Abaaoud clearly presented himself as the commander of these 90 kamikazes-in-waiting, and that he had come directly to France in order to avoid the failures they had experienced in the past,” the police said the friend had told them.

If we wont use 'harsh interrogation' methods on this jack ass to protect our own children, we deserve, in the words of National Review, to 'die off'.

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When it comes to terrorism, we dont know what kind of data we dont know. We dont know what action we lack information on, and any squeezing of the terrorist lemon can produce lemonade, so why not give it a few twists to find out?

Why not get off our lazy squeemish asses and look under the fucking couch?

Well three points

1. You asked how many lives would have been saved- and I pointed out there is no way for any of us to know- your response of course doesn't deal with that.
2. Does torture work? Well certainly it does result in the victims of torture telling the torturer stuff- whatever they think that the torturer wants to hear. This is why many experts do not believe torture is valuable- other methods work better.
   
3. What you cannot say is that torture in this instance would have saved a single life- or whether it might even cost more lives because the information provided sent us down the wrong road.

1. I did address your claim that there is no way to know if the target has intel or not. The explanation, again just for you, as that you dont know untill you start, so you interrogate to find out.

2. Torture done right works. The historical record leaves no doubt about it. You are comfortable leaving terrorists with uncovered data simply because you do not think that your loved ones are at risk. but if your child was at risk, I doubt you would be so self-righteous about not using torture.

3. Again, we dont h ave to know it will work, all we have to know is that it MIGHT work and is therefore worth doing.

Where is your proof it works?

-------------------- foolish question , you do some torture to terrorists and you find out if it works Brian . As already pointed out the concept of torture is rather nebulous . Libs say that simply making a terrorist afraid for his life or playing loud rock music in his cell is torture . You libs are crazy and lack any sense of self preservation Brian !!

 

[Hossfly]

So how many lives could be saved if we made this piece of garbage talk and tell us about these other attacks?

Police Report: 90 More Suicide Bombers Ready to Explode in Europe

The mastermind of the November 2015 Paris attacks told an acquaintance that he was the commander of 90 “kamikazes-in-waiting” who infiltrated Europe to carry out terrorist attacks, according to information contained in a 55-page report compiled by French anti-terrorism officials.
The report was leaked to the New York Times, which published the startling details on Saturday. The report is newly relevant in light of the Islamic State’s Tuesday terror attacks in Brussels that killed at least 31 people and wounded at least 270 others.

The French report included details of a meeting between the Paris mastermind, Abdelhamid Abaaoud; his first cousin, 26-year-old Hasna Aitboulahcen; and a friend of Aitboulahcen’s.

The Times reported:

On Nov. 15, [Aitboulahcen] and a friend drove out to a remote spot along the freeway, where Mr. Abaaoud came out of the bushes and joined them, the report said, quoting the account of the friend.

According to the friend’s account to the police, Mr. Abaaoud regaled them with stories about how he had made it to Europe by inserting himself in the stream of migrants fleeing across the Mediterranean. He explained that he was among 90 terrorists who had made it back and who had gone to ground in the French countryside, the friend told the police.

“Abaaoud clearly presented himself as the commander of these 90 kamikazes-in-waiting, and that he had come directly to France in order to avoid the failures they had experienced in the past,” the police said the friend had told them.

If we wont use 'harsh interrogation' methods on this jack ass to protect our own children, we deserve, in the words of National Review, to 'die off'.

[
When it comes to terrorism, we dont know what kind of data we dont know. We dont know what action we lack information on, and any squeezing of the terrorist lemon can produce lemonade, so why not give it a few twists to find out?

Why not get off our lazy squeemish asses and look under the fucking couch?

Well three points

1. You asked how many lives would have been saved- and I pointed out there is no way for any of us to know- your response of course doesn't deal with that.
2. Does torture work? Well certainly it does result in the victims of torture telling the torturer stuff- whatever they think that the torturer wants to hear. This is why many experts do not believe torture is valuable- other methods work better.
   
3. What you cannot say is that torture in this instance would have saved a single life- or whether it might even cost more lives because the information provided sent us down the wrong road.

1. I did address your claim that there is no way to know if the target has intel or not. The explanation, again just for you, as that you dont know untill you start, so you interrogate to find out.

2. Torture done right works. The historical record leaves no doubt about it. You are comfortable leaving terrorists with uncovered data simply because you do not think that your loved ones are at risk. but if your child was at risk, I doubt you would be so self-righteous about not using torture.

3. Again, we dont h ave to know it will work, all we have to know is that it MIGHT work and is therefore worth doing.

Where is your proof it works?

-------------------- foolish question , you do some torture to terrorists and you find out if it works Brian . As already pointed out the concept of torture is rather nebulous . Libs say that simply making a terrorist afraid for his life or playing loud rock music in his cell is torture . You libs are crazy and lack any sense of self preservation Brian !!

They're justifying terrorism by arguing in their favor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Clinton says torture doesnt work; nonsense, of course it works.

But I also think we could have gotten the information out of the captured terrorist and saved a lot of lives today.

What say the rest of you?

"We" didn't capture him.

 

[Valerie]

that guy never lets facts get in the way...

 

[Hossfly]

Clinton says torture doesnt work; nonsense, of course it works.

But I also think we could have gotten the information out of the captured terrorist and saved a lot of lives today.

What say the rest of you?

"We" didn't capture him.

""WE"" belong to Interpol and NATO, Sammy.

 

[Contumacious]

Clinton says torture doesnt work; nonsense, of course it works.

But I also think we could have gotten the information out of the captured terrorist and saved a lot of lives today.

What say the rest of you?

Remember douche-bag the Judeo-American axis of evil creates new avengers every day.

The motherfuckers in DC simply create more agencies to control WE THE PEOPLE: TSA, NSA, FBI, abolish encryption, "Patriot" Act. ad nauseam


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[Hossfly]

Clinton says torture doesnt work; nonsense, of course it works.

But I also think we could have gotten the information out of the captured terrorist and saved a lot of lives today.

What say the rest of you?

Remember douche-bag the Judeo-American axis of evil creates new avengers every day.

The motherfuckers in DC simply create more agencies to control WE THE PEOPLE: TSA, NSA, FBI, abolish encryption, "Patriot" Act. ad nauseam


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Spoken like a hardcore terrorist supporter.

 

[g5000]

2. Torture done right works.

That's like saying "communism done right works". It's bullshit.

I provided you a link which shows torture notoriously provides unreliable information. Did you bother to read it? Of course not. It doesn't fit your masochistic tendencies.

3. Again, we dont h ave to know it will work, all we have to know is that it MIGHT work and is therefore worth doing.

We most certainly do know its ineffectiveness. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence it is unreliable and that there are better interrogation methods which have better outcomes.

 

[OldLady]

Even if torture works many of these attackers likely have never heard about the next plot. There are thousands of ISIS supporters around the globe with no connection to each other other than devotion to the same cause.

Didn't one of the Brussels guys rent the apartment where they found the Paris bomber last week? I think they were working together, kinda.

 

[Contumacious]

Clinton says torture doesnt work; nonsense, of course it works.

But I also think we could have gotten the information out of the captured terrorist and saved a lot of lives today.

What say the rest of you?

Remember douche-bag the Judeo-American axis of evil creates new avengers every day.

The motherfuckers in DC simply create more agencies to control WE THE PEOPLE: TSA, NSA, FBI, abolish encryption, "Patriot" Act. ad nauseam


.

Spoken like a hardcore terrorist supporter.

Spoken like a hardcore, warmonger, interventionist , likudnick terrorist supporter.

 

[g5000]

Even if torture works many of these attackers likely have never heard about the next plot. There are thousands of ISIS supporters around the globe with no connection to each other other than devotion to the same cause.

Didn't one of the Brussels guys rent the apartment where they found the Paris bomber last week? I think they were working together, kinda.

Link?

 

[guno]

Zero.
Torture, aside from any ethical considerations, does not work. And we've known that for literally centuries.

Sure it does.

Based on what, you feelings?Too funny a poster on the inter webs knows better then science and physiological research

Why torture doesn't work: A definitive guide

 

[guno]

I've been on both ends of waterboarding in training. Don't let anyone tell you that it doesn't work. Just go to Ft Bragg and go to Smoke Bomb Hill and ask SF to let you witness a water boarding. It will convince even Ol' Cankles.

you can make anyone say anything

 

[Contumacious]

I've been on both ends of waterboarding in training. Don't let anyone tell you that it doesn't work. Just go to Ft Bragg and go to Smoke Bomb Hill and ask SF to let you witness a water boarding. It will convince even Ol' Cankles.

you can make anyone say anything

Should the Torture Lobby Be Tortured?


Torture is a crime under both American and international law. The Bush administration repeatedly broke the law from 2002 to 2006 by unleashing a wave of torture, kidnapping, and murder, all under the banner of its faux “war on terror.”

“Terror” is a wonderfully useful propaganda term developed by the Israelis and adopted by the Bush administration to dehumanize and delegitimize America’s violent enemies who were opposing US presence in much of the Muslim world."


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[Brain357]

Funny the anti government crowd is all pro torture. Today just terrorists. Tomorrow maybe cliven bundy cause he's a pain in the ass. You really want to give the government the ok to torture?

 

[Contumacious]

Funny the anti government crowd is all pro torture. Today just terrorists. Tomorrow maybe cliven bundy cause he's a pain in the ass. You really want to give the government the ok to torture?

Most Americans do NOT give a shit so long as they are

fed
clothed
insured
educated
their thirst quenched
secured by the gargantuan bankrupt welfare/warfare police state.


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[Tom Horn]

"Torture" is a nebulous term. We don't know what the Belgian authorities did with the information if any, they got from Salah Abdeslam or how they got it. They did find out he was supposed to be part of Tuesday's attack crew. He was wounded during his capture, so pain from an external source wouldn't have been necessary. They could have simply left his bullet wound untreated or deprived him of painkillers for information.

We know two other things, first of which is the dual attacks came a WEEK after his arrest. Either Najim Laachraoui knew Salah wouldn't talk or didn't believe he'd give Belgian authorities actionable information. Most of these types get some counter-interrogation training. If the cell had believed Belgian authorities would use extreme means on him, they'd have launched their operation the same day or next day.

Further, the Belgians have supposedly had a nationwide "manhunt" underway for the last 24 hours in pursuit of Laachraoui. It turns out he was one of the two suicide bombers. I'd think any law enforcement agency, even the Belgians who were aware of his background in Syria, would have known he was already dead by looking at their own goddamn video stills.

 

[JimBowie1958]

that guy never lets facts get in the way...

And you never let attribution get in your way, roflmao, who the hell are you talking about?

 

[JimBowie1958]

It turns out he was one of the two suicide bombers. I'd think any law enforcement agency, even the Belgians who were aware of his background in Syria, would have known he was already dead by looking at their own goddamn video stills.

But obviously the Belgians did not take the threat seriously or they would have kept tabs on a terrorist from Syria.

As tot he OP, reading Social Marxist nonsens is torture to any rational person.