How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[westwall]

Then you have no point here!

I have gotten to the point where I recognize that at an intellectual level right vs left is just a disagreement about values and morality. That's why none of us ever really change minds here. We're all just barking at the moon.

Oh? I think it is very clear. You either value the work ethic, and support those who are willing to work to get ahead. Or you don't. I have a kid i was tutoring in geology. He's smart, likes learning, but didn't know what he wanted to do with his life. We talked and I suggested he look into a trade school. He found one in Idaho for a electrical lineman. It cost 17,000 and he didn't have the cash for that, though he could have taken out a loan. I told him I would cover it, and he could pay me back at zero interest when he got a job.

We made a handshake agreement and off he went. He had a job before he graduated, and had me paid back before 6 months had passed. Now, he's moved up to a higher paying job and at the ripe old age of 24 he's pulling down 150,000 per year. When he gets his journeyman certificate, he will up that to over 200,000 per year. I have done that several times over the years, and not once has the agreement been not paid back.

There are nephews and nieces that I won't do that for because I know they are not interested in work. They just want to keep going to school so that they don't have to work. one of them is quite the educated little idiot. He has three bachelors degrees, and mountain of debt he will never pay off, and he works at as a bartender.

 

[jc456]

Wow! Just what kind of government do you subscribe to?

The kind that actually strives to empower Americans.

You're deflecting, you need to be honest.
I'm asking again, what kind of government do you subscribe to?

He can’t answer because he has no ideas

 

[Anomalism]

That’s the funny oxymoron you can’t escape. Hey, where does government get money other than the treasury?

From the people. We can use that money to create opportunities for people that will empower our nation.

 

[bripat9643]

Wow! Just what kind of government do you subscribe to?

The kind that actually strives to empower Americans.

How, by looting them?

 

[bripat9643]

That’s the funny oxymoron you can’t escape. Hey, where does government get money other than the treasury?

From the people. We can use that money to create opportunities for people that will empower our nation.

Use your own money, worm.

 

[progressive hunter]

It doesn't work like that. Higher taxes does not equate to other Americans being elevated.

It can if you do it right. One of my ideas is to create a lot of assistance for degrees that will be useful to our nation going forward. It would get a lot of people focused on good career paths rather than useless degrees. I also think Americans shouldn't be going bankrupt over their health.

spoken like a true communist,,,

 

[SC Patriot]

It doesn't work like that. Higher taxes does not equate to other Americans being elevated.

It can if you do it right. One of my ideas is to create a lot of assistance for degrees that will be useful to our nation going forward. It would get a lot of people focused on good career paths rather than useless degrees. I also think Americans shouldn't be going bankrupt over their health.

Wow! Just what kind of government do you subscribe to?

One that supports the non achieving at the cost of the over ahceivers.

I am not referring to those that cant. We have financial programs for them.

But the non achievers? In my eyes, that's their choice. Like my brother who refuses to wear a suit to an interview even though I bought him 3. His attitude? F them if they wont hire me based on my talent and only cares about what I am wearing. And what is his life about? 55 years old, unemployed and Mommy buying his underwear and socks.

All because he refuses to meet guidelines of respect to a potential employer. Wearing a suit on an interview does not diminish ones talent. Wearing jeans and sneakers on an interview diminishes ones integrity and demonstrates a lack of respect.

 

[Meister]

It doesn't work like that. Higher taxes does not equate to other Americans being elevated.

It can if you do it right. One of my ideas is to create a lot of assistance for degrees that will be useful to our nation going forward. It would get a lot of people focused on good career paths rather than useless degrees. I also think Americans shouldn't be going bankrupt over their health.

spoken like a true communist,,,

Yup, that's what I'm hearing from him. He can't bring himself to admit it it.

 

[Anomalism]

Use your own money, worm.

If you don't want to help then don't ask for any help. Stop using our roads and bridges. Don't call our police.

 

[Anomalism]

spoken like a true communist,,,

You think everything is communism.

 

[progressive hunter]

It doesn't work like that. Higher taxes does not equate to other Americans being elevated.

It can if you do it right. One of my ideas is to create a lot of assistance for degrees that will be useful to our nation going forward. It would get a lot of people focused on good career paths rather than useless degrees. I also think Americans shouldn't be going bankrupt over their health.

Wow! Just what kind of government do you subscribe to?

One that supports the non achieving at the cost of the over ahceivers.

I am not referring to those that cant. We have financial programs for them.

But the non achievers? In my eyes, that's their choice. Like my brother who refuses to wear a suit to an interview even though I bought him 3. His attitude? F them if they wont hire me based on my talent and only cares about what I am wearing. And what is his life about? 55 years old, unemployed and Mommy buying his underwear and socks.

All because he refuses to meet guidelines of respect to a potential employer. Wearing a suit on an interview does not diminish ones talent. Wearing jeans and sneakers on an interview diminishes ones integrity and demonstrates a lack of respect.

I've always worn jeans and tennis shoes and always got the job,,,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What would make you happy? Hanging them from trees?

I have rich people in my family. I'm not Karl Marx.

Karl Marx was wealthy.
He was trying to figure out how to deal with the fact the industrial revolution was destroying cottage industries, that was then causing massive loss of rights and freedom.
It was causing economic slavery.
We had in the US around the turn of the century, company towns.
But anti trust laws and unions proved to be the solutions.

Karl Marx was wealthy.

Link?

{...
His father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education. He became a lawyer with a comfortably upper middle class income and the family owned a number of Moselle vineyards, in addition to his income as an attorney. Prior to his son's birth and after the abrogation of Jewish emancipation in the Rhineland,[25] Herschel converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia, taking on the German forename Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.
Largely non-religious, Heinrich was a man of the Enlightenment, interested in the ideas of the philosophers Immanuel Kant and Voltaire. A classical liberal, he took part in agitation for a constitution and reforms in Prussia, which was then an absolute monarchy.[29] In 1815, Heinrich Marx began working as an attorney and in 1819 moved his family to a ten-room property near the Porta Nigra.[30] His wife, Henriette Pressburg, was a Dutch Jewish woman from a prosperous business family that later founded the company Philips Electronics. Her sister Sophie Pressburg (1797–1854) married Lion Philips (1794–1866) and was the grandmother of both Gerard and Anton Philips and great-grandmother to Frits Philips. Lion Philips was a wealthy Dutch tobacco manufacturer and industrialist, upon whom Karl and Jenny Marx would later often come to rely for loans while they were exiled in London.
...

Marx was privately educated by his father until 1830, when he entered Trier High School (Gymnasium zu Trier [de]), whose headmaster, Hugo Wyttenbach, was a friend of his father. By employing many liberal humanists as teachers, Wyttenbach incurred the anger of the local conservative government. Subsequently, police raided the school in 1832 and discovered that literature espousing political liberalism was being distributed among the students. Considering the distribution of such material a seditious act, the authorities instituted reforms and replaced several staff during Marx's attendance.[35]

In October 1835 at the age of 17, Marx travelled to the University of Bonn wishing to study philosophy and literature, but his father insisted on law as a more practical field.[36] Due to a condition referred to as a "weak chest",[37] Marx was excused from military duty when he turned 18. While at the University at Bonn, Marx joined the Poets' Club, a group containing political radicals that were monitored by the police.[38] Marx also joined the Trier Tavern Club drinking society (German: Landsmannschaft der Treveraner) where many ideas were discussed and at one point he served as the club's co-president.[39][40] Additionally, Marx was involved in certain disputes, some of which became serious: in August 1836 he took part in a duel with a member of the university's Borussian Korps.[41] Although his grades in the first term were good, they soon deteriorated, leading his father to force a transfer to the more serious and academic University of Berlin.
...

Spending summer and autumn 1836 in Trier, Marx became more serious about his studies and his life. He became engaged to Jenny von Westphalen, an educated member of the petty nobility who had known Marx since childhood. As she had broken off her engagement with a young aristocrat to be with Marx, their relationship was socially controversial owing to the differences between their religious and class origins, but Marx befriended her father Ludwig von Westphalen (a liberal aristocrat) and later dedicated his doctoral thesis to him.[43] Seven years after their engagement, on 19 June 1843, they married in a Protestant church in Kreuznach.[44]

In October 1836, Marx arrived in Berlin, matriculating in the university's faculty of law and renting a room in the Mittelstrasse.[45] During the first term, Marx attended lectures of Eduard Gans (who represented the progressive Hegelian standpoint, elaborated on rational development in history by emphasising particularly its libertarian aspects, and the importance of social question) and of Karl von Savigny (who represented the Historical School of Law).[46] Although studying law, he was fascinated by philosophy and looked for a way to combine the two, believing that "without philosophy nothing could be accomplished".[47] Marx became interested in the recently deceased German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, whose ideas were then widely debated among European philosophical circles.[48] During a convalescence in Stralau, he joined the Doctor's Club (Doktorklub), a student group which discussed Hegelian ideas, and through them became involved with a group of radical thinkers known as the Young Hegelians in 1837. They gathered around Ludwig Feuerbach and Bruno Bauer, with Marx developing a particularly close friendship with Adolf Rutenberg. Like Marx, the Young Hegelians were critical of Hegel's metaphysical assumptions, but adopted his dialectical method to criticise established society, politics and religion from a leftist perspective
...
By 1837, Marx was writing both fiction and non-fiction, having completed a short novel, Scorpion and Felix, a drama, Oulanem, as well as a number of love poems dedicated to Jenny von Westphalen, though none of this early work was published during his lifetime.[52] Marx soon abandoned fiction for other pursuits, including the study of both English and Italian, art history and the translation of Latin classics.[53] He began co-operating with Bruno Bauer on editing Hegel's Philosophy of Religion in 1840. Marx was also engaged in writing his doctoral thesis, The Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature,[54] which he completed in 1841. It was described as "a daring and original piece of work in which Marx set out to show that theology must yield to the superior wisdom of philosophy".[55] The essay was controversial, particularly among the conservative professors at the University of Berlin. Marx decided instead to submit his thesis to the more liberal University of Jena, whose faculty awarded him his PhD in April 1841.[56][2] As Marx and Bauer were both atheists,
...}

Karl Marx - Wikipedia

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I would describe that as upper middle class, or lower upper class.
Average people could not afford to get a Phd back then.

Thanks for showing that Heinrich Marx was wealthy.
Were you trying to show that Karl was wealthy?

From your link.... In the early period in London, Marx committed himself almost exclusively to revolutionary activities, such that his family endured extreme poverty.[143][144] His main source of income was Engels, whose own source was his wealthy industrialist father

He started wealthy, and could have maintained that if he had wanted to.
He had the degrees, education, contacts, etc., so he could have maintained wealth.
It was the moral and ethical dilemmas that caused him to prefer poverty.

He started wealthy, and could have maintained that if he had wanted to.

But he decided to be a whiney twat, instead.

wow!

You must be all of...what.....12 years old? Great use of the word. One I haven't used since I was ....well......12.

Then I grew up.

I could have said evil, whiney twat.

Would that make me worse than Marx?

 

[westwall]

That’s the funny oxymoron you can’t escape. Hey, where does government get money other than the treasury?

From the people. We can use that money to create opportunities for people that will empower our nation.

Fine sounding propaganda, but no real ideas. Here's one. Stop government student loans. Stop ALL worthless degrees. The vast majority of college students SHOULDN'T be in college. I do agree that with the amount of wealth we have that health care should be better managed. However, government fucks up everything they touch. The government should have NO say in how health care is managed other than these are the regulations that govern licensure.

 

[progressive hunter]

spoken like a true communist,,,

You think everything is communism.

not at all,,, just what you said,,,

 

[Indeependent]

That's because you are stupid.

Your hostility makes you look ignorant.

You never heard of the terms, " "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" which was popularized by Karl Marx?

I taught government and economics classes for 21 years as a public school teacher. You are definitely ignorant!

Too bad NYS doesn't have those classes.

 

[bripat9643]

Use your own money, worm.

If you don't want to help then don't ask for any help. Stop using our roads and bridges. Don't call our police.

I pay for those roads and bridges, worm. I wasn't asked if I wanted them.

By "our" you mean yours and mine.

 

[progressive hunter]

Use your own money, worm.

If you don't want to help then don't ask for any help. Stop using our roads and bridges. Don't call our police.

we paid for those roads and bridges,,, and the police are us so I never call them anyway,,

 

[jc456]

t. One of my ideas is to create a lot of assistance for degrees that will be useful to our nation going forward

What does that even mean? How does one create assistance?

 

[bripat9643]

spoken like a true communist,,,

You think everything is communism.

Everything you post is communism.

 

[Meister]

spoken like a true communist,,,

You think everything is communism.

Well, you won't answer the question, will you?