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What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Shitbag....this past Saturday to deflect blame for the mass killings in Iraq, Obama blamed Bush and Iraq for not getting a deal for US troops to stay in Iraq....which was a fucking lie because he admitted he never wanted to keep troops in Iraq during a debate with Romney.
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Shitbag....this past Saturday to deflect blame for the mass killings in Iraq, Obama blamed Bush and Iraq for not getting a deal for US troops to stay in Iraq....which was a fucking lie because he admitted he never wanted to keep troops in Iraq during a debate with Romney.
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
"Debate with Romney"? Holy shit, Obama receives updated intelligence reports on a daily basis. Things change. Shit happens.
You stupid fuck pile of shit......Romney knew pulling all troops out of Iraq was a fucking mistake during the election campaign.
Obama still doesn't think it was a mistake even with ISIS overrunning the country.
FYI.....I read the intel and Obama is a fucking liar about no terrorist threat in Iraq when he decided to leave Iraq.
Shitbag....this past Saturday to deflect blame for the mass killings in Iraq, Obama blamed Bush and Iraq for not getting a deal for US troops to stay in Iraq....which was a fucking lie because he admitted he never wanted to keep troops in Iraq during a debate with Romney.
"Debate with Romney"? Holy shit, Obama receives updated intelligence reports on a daily basis. Things change. Shit happens.
Duh, no shit, Dick Tracy. ISIS/ISIL has morphed, but I'm not under any delusion as to how it started. However, Maliki's cronyism and brutality were major catalysts - which preceded ISIS/ISIL terrorizing Iraq.
The group, in its original form, was composed of and supported by a variety of Sunni insurgent groups, including its predecessor organizations, Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) (2003–2006), Mujahideen Shura Council (2006–2006) and the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) (2006–2013), other insurgent groups such as Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba and Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah, and a number of Iraqi tribes that profess Sunni Islam.
ISIS grew significantly as an organization owing to its participation in the Syrian Civil War and the strength of its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Economic and political discrimination against Iraqi Sunnis since the fall of Saddam Hussein also helped it to gain support. At the height of the 2003-2011 Iraq War, its forerunners enjoyed a significant presence in the Iraqi governorates of Al Anbar, Nineveh, Kirkuk, most of Salah ad Din, parts of Babil, Diyala and Baghdad, and claimed Baqubah as a capital city.[67][68][69][70] In the ongoing Syrian Civil War, ISIS has a large presence in the Syrian governorates of Ar-Raqqah, Idlib and Aleppo.[71][72]
ISIS is known for its harsh interpretation of the Islamic faith and sharia law[73] and has a record of brutal violence,[64][73] which is directed at Shia Muslims and Christians in particular.[74] It has at least 4,000 fighters in its ranks in Iraq[75] who, in addition to attacks on government and military targets, have claimed responsibility for attacks that have killed thousands of civilians.[76] ISIS had close links with al-Qaeda until 2014, but in February of that year, after an eight-month power struggle, al-Qaeda cut all ties with the group, reportedly for its brutality and "notorious intractability".[77][78]
ISIS’s original aim was to establish a caliphate in the Sunni-majority regions of Iraq. Following its involvement in the Syrian Civil War, this expanded to include controlling Sunni-majority areas of Syria.[79] A caliphate was proclaimed on 29 June 2014, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi—now known as Amir al-Mu'minin Caliph Ibrahim—was named as its caliph, and the group was renamed the Islamic State.[4][5][6]
Much More: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ISIS invaded Iraq from Syria. It was in Syria where ISIS and Levant gained their power and their wealth.
Pre Syria they were just your average two bit Mohammed six pack of terrorists who really didn't do jack shit. Just your joe blow suicide bombers and the like.
So how on earth did Bush magically arm ISIS and Levant in Syria? Or Maliki? How did these two men that you blame the conflict in Iraq on in your OP give these jihadists their weapons and their power so that they were able to seize one third of the territory of the nation of Syria?
A better question. When did President Bush and Maliki seek to undermine the rule of President Assad and seek to depose him and replace Assad with a government of their choice?
Because of the turmoil in Syria with a weakened Assad under assault from Western leaders ISIS was able to become the monster it is today.
I just can't seem to find Bush and Maliki in this timeline. Maybe you can help me. As to the weaponry gained in Iraq during the invasion in June, yes those were American left over weapons from the Bush war.
But do tell. To invade Iraq they had to do so with weapons they got in Syria. Where and how did they get them?
Bush and Maliki? I think not.
Do a little credible research. Much of their heavy weaponry came from the retreating Iraqi military, weapons that America left in Iraq when we pulled out. Plus, ISIS has a big war chest.
ISIL Moving Seized U.S. Tanks, Humvees to Syria | Washington Free Beacon
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Iraqi Prime Minister Says U.S. Forces Must Leave On Time - WSJ
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic[/QUOT
Iraq never told us to get out. I showed video of Obama saying a residual force would bogg us down. Show us the video of Iraq telling Obama to get out.
The international community has learned that all they have to say is ...BOO... and Obama will run away and campaign for a while and play golf until the crisis is over.
Obama authorized air strikes on ISIS in Iraq in the morning and ran off to Martha's Vineyard where he squeezed in two rounds of golf and a fund raiser in the next two days.
Unlike Bush, Obama can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's called multitasking.
Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq
Mushroom clouds, duct tape, Judy Miller, Curveball. Recalling how Americans were sold a bogus case for invasion.
AT A CONGRESSIONAL hearing examining the march to war in Iraq, Republican congressman Walter Jones posed "a very simple question" about the administration's manipulation of intelligence: "How could the professionals see what was happening and nobody speak out?"
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, responded with an equally simple answer: "The vice president."
But the blame for Iraq does not end with Cheney, Bush, or Rumsfeld. Nor is it limited to the intelligence operatives who sat silent as the administration cherry-picked its case for war, or with those, like Colin Powell or Hans Blix, who, in the name of loyalty or statesmanship, did not give full throat to their misgivings. It is also shared by far too many in the Fourth Estate, most notably the New York Times' Judith Miller. But let us not forget that it lies, inescapably, with we the American people, who, in our fear and rage over the catastrophic events of September 11, 2001, allowed ourselves to be suckered into the most audacious bait and switch of all time.
Much More: Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq
Americans were blinded by fear and patriotism - and we got suckered.
This was what Bush was handed by Clinton.
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
The bill was sponsored by Representative Benjamin A. Gilman (Republican, NY-20) and co-sponsored by Representative Christopher Cox (Republican, CA-47). The bill was introduced as H.R. 4655 on September 29, 1998. The House of Representatives passed the bill 360 - 38 on October 5, and the Senate passed it with unanimous consent two days later. President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31,1998.
Actually, it's what Bush was handed by Daddy Bush. Bush used conjured-up fabricated evidence and shifting rationales as justification for invading Iraq - a 2nd time. Also, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 was solely an act passed by the United States and addressed regime change. It was not an act of war. The United Nations did NOT support Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq.
This was what Bush was handed by Clinton.
Actually, it's what Bush was handed by Daddy Bush. Bush used conjured-up fabricated evidence and shifting rationales as justification for invading Iraq - a 2nd time. Also, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 was solely an act passed by the United States and addressed regime change. It was not an act of war. The United Nations did NOT support Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq.
What did either Bush have to do with these statements from VP Al Gore and top Democrats in the Congress?
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
Well, dumbass, I think they started as mostly Sunni - but morphed into something else.
Yet you challenged me when I said the problem in Iraq is not Sunnis fighting Shiites. Nice to see you admit I was actually right about that.
well its part of the problem since you know they went after the Sunni's.
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Iraqi Prime Minister Says U.S. Forces Must Leave On Time - WSJ
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Iraqi Prime Minister Says U.S. Forces Must Leave On Time - WSJ
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic
I remember when you were loading praise on Obama for getting us out of Iraq, and even insisted that he was right when he said it was his idea. Now you are claiming he had no choice. One of those has to be a lie, which is it?
What's your point? Iraq told us to get out. Period.
Iraqi Prime Minister Says U.S. Forces Must Leave On Time - WSJ
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic
I remember when you were loading praise on Obama for getting us out of Iraq, and even insisted that he was right when he said it was his idea. Now you are claiming he had no choice. One of those has to be a lie, which is it?
Windbag, are you on drugs or just naturally fucked up in your head? Prove that I said any of that shit. You may hallucinate, but you don't remember shit. Your reading comprehension is really fucked up, because often your responses are out of context with the posts you're responding to. It's pretty weird.
I remember when you were loading praise on Obama for getting us out of Iraq, and even insisted that he was right when he said it was his idea. Now you are claiming he had no choice. One of those has to be a lie, which is it?
Windbag, are you on drugs or just naturally fucked up in your head? Prove that I said any of that shit. You may hallucinate, but you don't remember shit. Your reading comprehension is really fucked up, because often your responses are out of context with the posts you're responding to. It's pretty weird.
Out of context? How. Every single fucking Obamabot that gave Obama credit for ending the war is now saying he had nothing to do with it. How is me calling you out on it out of fucking context?
Liekhota and Obama can't get their stories straight.
You and windbag can't prove your lies.
Since the end of 2012, many peaceful protests have been organized throughout Iraq against the sectarian policy and continuing human rights violations committed by Malikis forces, whose crackdowns against protests became increasingly draconian over the time. Mass campaigns of arbitrary arrests became the rule rather than the exception, execution rates rose to record levels, next to an alarmingly increasing number of target killings of opposition leaders. The official justification by the government for its excessive use of force was always national security, however very soon it became clear, that the governments proclaimed fight against terrorism was mainly aimed against al Malikis opponents.
The opposition to the human rights violations committed by the al-Maliki Regimes was especially strong in the Anbar province. In order to have an official justification to act against the uprisings al-Maliki thus declared protest camps as infiltrated by terrorists even if such claims never proved to be true. Despite the obvious groundlessness of the allegations the government continued to accuse those who criticise the regime of being terrorists. In December 2013, apparently as a show-off of power in view of his decreasing popularity ahead of the upcoming elections in April, Prime Minister Maliki then increased the already high level of pressure on the protestors.
During all the Iraqi PM al-Maliki publicly vowed to eliminate "all terrorist groups" and called to fight with all means. Several times he came out on TV inciting his followers with sectarian language to support him at all means in his fight against the inhabitants of the al-Anbar province. In view of the in discriminatory attacks by the al-Maliki forces and their well known brutality the residents of the city then founded a Council and decided that the city would defend itself against a possible attack. It is therefore important to understand that those residents who are presented as terrorists are defending themselves out of fear against Malikis forces and that they are ordinary citizens, in no way affiliated to any terrorist group.
Al Malikis official portrayal of terrorists brought him the immediate support from the USA as well as from Iran and Russia. Other voices however, such as a the senior EU lawmaker Struan Stevenson, a member of the European parliament who chairs the European Parliaments Delegation for Relations with Iraq warned that Iraq is plummeting rapidly towards civil war and genocide. According to his estimation an onslaught against supposed Al Qaeda terrorists in 6 Iraqi Provinces is no more than a cover for the annihilation of those parties opposed to the increasingly sectarian policies of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Stevensons further warned that claims by al-Maliki were "utter nonsense". Still, he had convinced his allies that he is fighting a war on terror and they are pouring in rockets, drones and other military hardware which Maliki is using to bomb and kill civilian targets".
More: Stop al-Maliki brutality against civilians
While the worlds attention has been fixated on the rapid advance and conquering of territory by ISIS/ISIL in Iraq, a clear shift has taken place in the rhetoric against, and analysis of, Prime Minster Nouri al-Maliki and his government. Though he was praised up and down by Washington while US troops remained on Iraqi soil, in the nearly three years since their exit he has transmogrified into a brutal sectarian autocrat evoking the worst aspects of both Saddams regime and that of his Shia neighbors and allies in Iran. What could possibly account for such a dramatic about-face?
Today Iraq is at war, and in danger of breaking apart. With Islamist militants and Sunni insurgents fighting a war against the government in Baghdad, the country is headed for total collapse and partition. But this war did not start with ISIS conquering Mosul. It did not start with Maliki consolidating power. It began before the last US troops ever left Iraq. It began when Maliki decided that he would not be cowed by US threats and diktats. It began the second Iraq tried to assert itself independently. And for this, Iraq is paying the ultimate price.
More: The Strange Case of Nouri al-Maliki | New Eastern Outlook
This was easily foreseeable as Maliki (Shiite) and his cronies continued to brutally consolidate their sectarian power in government and military to the exclusion of other sects.
Liekhota and Obama can't get their stories straight.
You and windbag can't prove your lies.
