I Can't Imagine a God...

I see God in the vastness of the cosmos. He isn't restricted to a book, he is the master of this universe. Oh ye of little faith!
Bruno Giordano tried to tell the church this and they burned him alive.

I agree if there is a god he didn't come visit moses 7000 years ago or 2015 years ago.

There was a time we believed we were alone in the universe. Now most likely we are not. To still follow a 2015 year old story that doesnt make sense makes no sense.

We are still in the process of establishing peace and justice collectively for humanity's sake.
The story and process are ongoing.
Sorry you do not see this connection but seem to interpret the Bible very literally and limited.
No wonder you do not see any universal meaning or application in it.
You are like missing the point and spirit of the Bible, so of course it's rubbish to you.
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
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:dunno: Who needs a god?
who said this isn't what God refers to?
Life, creation all things in the world.

A wise pastor once explained that to have the same conversations with Atheists
just substitute the word LIFE for GOD and you can compare how you see LIFE.
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
People who believe these ancient religions are stuck in the stone ages as far as the enlightenment of man goes. We may have always debated if a creator exists and we may always because its an unknowable question that even fascinates us athiests who don't believe there is.

But these religions have an expiration date. That may not seem possible to people now but think about how much smarter we are than our grandparents. In 500 years people will be too smart to believe impossible stories.

But it will be a long time because we have Muslims Mormons and bible belt people who aren't going to evolve any time soon.

Sorry sealybobo if you don't even understand these religions enough to know and appreciate what people see in them, how can you be the judge of them?

How do you know what you are missing if you are too busy dissing them from the outside?

Very strange how you think you can be an expert on things you REFUSE to learn about.

You remind me of people who think Spanish is a dumb language because they don't want to learn it.
The people who know how to correct bad Spanish and speak correct Spanish actually learn Spanish
and understand the art and science of it. I would listen to them before I listen to a critic who doesn't even like it.
I was a christian for 30 years.

You were a fake Christian those 30 years. Real Christians are Christians forever.
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
People who believe these ancient religions are stuck in the stone ages as far as the enlightenment of man goes. We may have always debated if a creator exists and we may always because its an unknowable question that even fascinates us athiests who don't believe there is.

But these religions have an expiration date. That may not seem possible to people now but think about how much smarter we are than our grandparents. In 500 years people will be too smart to believe impossible stories.

But it will be a long time because we have Muslims Mormons and bible belt people who aren't going to evolve any time soon.

Sorry sealybobo if you don't even understand these religions enough to know and appreciate what people see in them, how can you be the judge of them?

How do you know what you are missing if you are too busy dissing them from the outside?

Very strange how you think you can be an expert on things you REFUSE to learn about.

You remind me of people who think Spanish is a dumb language because they don't want to learn it.
The people who know how to correct bad Spanish and speak correct Spanish actually learn Spanish
and understand the art and science of it. I would listen to them before I listen to a critic who doesn't even like it.
I was a christian for 30 years.

And do you understand the message in Christianity yet?
or do you have to step outside and learn in broader perspective with everything else
before you get what it means and see which truths are universal and inherent in human nature to follow?
Still trying to understand what you're saying. Please don't try to explain.
 
Emily, what compels you to bloviate? It dilutes your message. It makes you seem like you're mostly confused about the subject.
A fucking men!

sealybobo MaxGrit

ask me anything then. if there is any confusion, we can straighten it out.

sealybobo did you get that point that the language in the Bible is an EXPRESSION
and means of communicating and reaching agreement on PRINCIPLES and points.
But these principles/points are universal concepts and can be expressed using other Languages for the Laws.

the meanings and concepts are UNIVERSAL and describe humanity's history and relations in general.
The language is relative, so the gentiles use secular terms for natural laws
and others use the scriptures and church authority to establish truth.

These are NOT in conflict. Do you get this yet? Or are YOU the one who is confused?
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
People who believe these ancient religions are stuck in the stone ages as far as the enlightenment of man goes. We may have always debated if a creator exists and we may always because its an unknowable question that even fascinates us athiests who don't believe there is.

But these religions have an expiration date. That may not seem possible to people now but think about how much smarter we are than our grandparents. In 500 years people will be too smart to believe impossible stories.

But it will be a long time because we have Muslims Mormons and bible belt people who aren't going to evolve any time soon.

Sorry sealybobo if you don't even understand these religions enough to know and appreciate what people see in them, how can you be the judge of them?

How do you know what you are missing if you are too busy dissing them from the outside?

Very strange how you think you can be an expert on things you REFUSE to learn about.

You remind me of people who think Spanish is a dumb language because they don't want to learn it.
The people who know how to correct bad Spanish and speak correct Spanish actually learn Spanish
and understand the art and science of it. I would listen to them before I listen to a critic who doesn't even like it.
I was a christian for 30 years.

You were a fake Christian those 30 years. Real Christians are Christians forever.

You can wake up from the mind fuck youre in I swear.
 
Emily, what compels you to bloviate? It dilutes your message. It makes you seem like you're mostly confused about the subject.
A fucking men!

sealybobo MaxGrit

ask me anything then. if there is any confusion, we can straighten it out.

sealybobo did you get that point that the language in the Bible is an EXPRESSION
and means of communicating and reaching agreement on PRINCIPLES and points.
But these principles/points are universal concepts and can be expressed using other Languages for the Laws.

the meanings and concepts are UNIVERSAL and describe humanity's history and relations in general.
The language is relative, so the gentiles use secular terms for natural laws
and others use the scriptures and church authority to establish truth.

These are NOT in conflict. Do you get this yet? Or are YOU the one who is confused?
Boring!
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
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The-Ebb-of-Life-Lower-Antelope-Canyon-Page-Arizona.jpg


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:dunno: Who needs a god?
who said this isn't what God refers to?
Life, creation all things in the world.

Who needs a god?

You need Jesus.

Can you please help explain the meaning and significance of Jesus
in terms that even DISIR and Sealybobo can understand?

I explain that Jesus is the spirit of Justice universal to all humanity.
So the process we're all going through is establishing Truth by agreement on Justice.
Or going through Jesus to get to God.
 
I see God in every dog's smile.

Big, right?

How can the ancient stories possibly be the last Word on God?

AVG-JOE
Who said they had to be?
Where did YOU get this idea that God had to fit in the Bible.

What about all the natural laws, what about the laws of governance.
Those aren't even IN the Bible yet they come from the same God as described in the Bible.

What is contradictory about that?

The books themselves say that they are the last word on God, and I've met plenty of people who filter their entire lives through one or two of those ancient tales.

The news from The Middle East is a species-wide embarrassment.

Assuming God is, real natural laws, like gravity, are tools, and we seem to agree - there is a LOT about God that simply isn't in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran.

I too find them lacking. Informative, but lacking.​
 
Emily, I'm on your side. I want you to think about your writing and how you can make it succinct. You tend to bloviate in your posts. That habit make it appears as if you're confused about what you're trying to say.
 
I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
antelope-canyon-arizona-hd-wallpaper.jpg


The-Ebb-of-Life-Lower-Antelope-Canyon-Page-Arizona.jpg


230593_c3822f973dc173f26ec348941e2ca612_large.jpg


:dunno: Who needs a god?
who said this isn't what God refers to?
Life, creation all things in the world.

Who needs a god?

You need Jesus.

Can you please help explain the meaning and significance of Jesus
in terms that even DISIR and Sealybobo can understand?

I explain that Jesus is the spirit of Justice universal to all humanity.
So the process we're all going through is establishing Truth by agreement on Justice.
Or going through Jesus to get to God.

Westminster Confession of Faith. You need to read it Emily. It's summarizes Biblical theology.
 
Emily, what compels you to bloviate? It dilutes your message. It makes you seem like you're mostly confused about the subject.
A fucking men!

sealybobo MaxGrit

ask me anything then. if there is any confusion, we can straighten it out.

sealybobo did you get that point that the language in the Bible is an EXPRESSION
and means of communicating and reaching agreement on PRINCIPLES and points.
But these principles/points are universal concepts and can be expressed using other Languages for the Laws.

the meanings and concepts are UNIVERSAL and describe humanity's history and relations in general.
The language is relative, so the gentiles use secular terms for natural laws
and others use the scriptures and church authority to establish truth.

These are NOT in conflict. Do you get this yet? Or are YOU the one who is confused?
Boring!

Ok so if being boring is enough to count things as having any content of value,
then I guess if math or science is "boring" to people they have no value either,
and are not worth the trouble to study and understand.

Gotcha! So go watch TV shows or games or videos online that stimulate your brain
and throw the works of Shakespeare and Einstein in the trash which are "boring."
 
P.S. Thanks MaxGrit I will look that up, too. What did you think of M.D. Rawlings
and trying to prove God by agreeing on key points?

You need Jesus.

Can you please help explain the meaning and significance of Jesus
in terms that even DISIR and Sealybobo can understand?

I explain that Jesus is the spirit of Justice universal to all humanity.
So the process we're all going through is establishing Truth by agreement on Justice.
Or going through Jesus to get to God.

Westminster Confession of Faith. You need to read it Emily. It's summarizes Biblical theology.

You didn't like my 250 word summary?
How to explain the Bible without reading it - Worth1000 Contests

To explain the story of humanity summarized in the Bible, it helps to distinguish the difference between the Old and New Testaments, which determines if the rest will make sense at all, or even needs to be read.

In short, the Old Testament records the tragic history of living by the "letter of the law" and retributive justice, causing death and genocidal destruction by greed, while the New Testament paints a positive future for humanity, with renewed love of life and relationships by restorative justice, living by the "spirit of the law" for lasting peace.

The key difference between these paths is divine forgiveness, which breaks the cycle of retribution inherited from previous generations. Without forgiveness, suffering repeats, projected forward. However, by receiving forgiveness and correction, where Jesus represents the spiritual process of embracing equal justice, humanity finds liberation from past strife by establishing universal truth, justice, and peace on earth. Thus, human nature is destined to reach maturity in mind, body, and spirit, collectively symbolized by the Holy Trinity.

Salvation in Jesus represents restorative justice with mercy, bringing healing grace to end conflicts. Reconciling local laws among individuals with universal laws on a global scale fulfills both in perfect harmony or marriage between people, as the bride or church, united with the authority of law or state.

The story of sacrifice and redemption represents the spiritual process each individual experiences to grow in life -- through trials, failures, and recovery -- which drives humanity to reach spiritual understanding, wholeness, and peace.
 
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I can't imagine a God so small that He could be contained in The Torah, The New Testament AND The Koran as the last Word on God, let alone any one of the three as a stand alone.

I must be a Monkey ahead of my Time.
:smoke:
People who believe these ancient religions are stuck in the stone ages as far as the enlightenment of man goes. We may have always debated if a creator exists and we may always because its an unknowable question that even fascinates us athiests who don't believe there is.

But these religions have an expiration date. That may not seem possible to people now but think about how much smarter we are than our grandparents. In 500 years people will be too smart to believe impossible stories.

But it will be a long time because we have Muslims Mormons and bible belt people who aren't going to evolve any time soon.

Sorry sealybobo if you don't even understand these religions enough to know and appreciate what people see in them, how can you be the judge of them?

How do you know what you are missing if you are too busy dissing them from the outside?

Very strange how you think you can be an expert on things you REFUSE to learn about.

You remind me of people who think Spanish is a dumb language because they don't want to learn it.
The people who know how to correct bad Spanish and speak correct Spanish actually learn Spanish
and understand the art and science of it. I would listen to them before I listen to a critic who doesn't even like it.
I was a christian for 30 years.

You were a fake Christian those 30 years. Real Christians are Christians forever.

You can wake up from the mind fuck youre in I swear.

You're the one that's insane. Wake up to reality sealy.
 
Another silly thread from someone who doesn't believe in a God that he's obsessed talking about.

Nobody says that God is "fully contained" in the Bible. He simply reveals what His creation NEEDS to know about Him. We don't have to know everything about Him to believe in Him; trust in Him; communicate with Him; and know Him.

Where do I say that I don't believe God is possible?

I'm simply stating that limiting one's concept of God to The God of Abraham, As defined in The Torah, The New Testament and The Qur'an seems short-sighted, and, considering the role played by those three ancient Arab tales in Monkey History, I think God would agree with me.
 
Emily, I'm on your side. I want you to think about your writing and how you can make it succinct. You tend to bloviate in your posts. That habit make it appears as if you're confused about what you're trying to say.

Each person is different and responds differently.
So as they respond and EXPLAIN what issues they have,
then the conversation can narrow down to those points.

At first, it is broad and holistic because there are too many people
with multiple issues. So it has to be narrowed down first, which depends on the responders to pinpoint where.
 

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