I don’t understand why republicans reject social democratic principles like Bernie’s platform

[Ame®icano]

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

You mean the same polls that gave 98% chance of winning to Hillary?

 

[Ame®icano]

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

No justification, they should be dismantled completely.

 

[Thinker101]

1) People who get an advanced education make more money than blue collar people. Why should blue collar people pay for that? An advanced education is an investment, and taxpayers should not be paying for personal investments of any kind. What the Socialist is suggesting is that I pay for the education for somebody to be a lawyer, and in the future when I need their services, they charge me 200 bucks an hour for it.

2) Yes, the Democrats want to see more people on the dole. Why do you think they have a welcome mat at our southern border. Do you really believe that Hussein created 50 million new government dependents by accident?

Medicare for all would bankrupt this country. It would lead to a reduction of services, and government deciding who should live and who should not.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, thaYot grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

You mean all the programs that are going broke? Dumbass.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

No justification, they should be dismantled completely.

Like which one?

 

[dblack]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

From a libertarian perspective, actually respect this position. Government shouldn't be handing out favors to special interests. But ...

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

Republicans aren't libertarians. They want control of your health care just as much as the Democrats do.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

From a libertarian perspective, actually respect this position. Government shouldn't be handing out favors to special interests. But ...

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

Republicans aren't libertarians. They want control of your health care just as much as the Democrats do.

Libertarianism is about as sensible as calling yourself a Jedi.....fun to pretend, but tends to fall apart when introduced to reality.....

This is why there are 60584848 different kinds of libertarianism....a new strand is made up every time reality destroys one of their delusions...

 

[Dana7360]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

The gop has always been against the public benefitting from tax dollars. When Social Security was passed the republicans at the time called it communism and the same things they call it today. They went as far as taking it to the Supreme Court. Which they lost the case. Same with medicare.

The things that Sanders is talking about is what built this nation into a superpower. The republicans always love to say how wonderful the 50s was etc but they reject the very economic policies that created the superpower we became.

I grew up in the economic benefits of the changes FDR and Eisenhower made. There was good jobs, good pay, good benefits. Public Education good infrastructure etc.

The greatest generation left us an economic policy that while wasn't perfect, did work very well.

What the republicans don't like is paying taxes. That's it. In the 50s until 1964 the top tax rate was 90% on the highest salaries and wages. LBJ lowered it to 70%. The tax rate on unearned income was higher than earned income with a rate much higher than it is today. Thus inflation was kept in check. Our jobs stayed in America. Wages and benefits kept up with inflation. Companies had the money to invest in R&D and expansion. Along with a very long list of benefits that come from high taxes on high wages that keep greed in check.

All that started being reversed in the reagan years. The rates have been slashed every time a republican gets into office. When we get a democratic president, we get the rates increased but not anywhere back to what it was that created the superpower we became.

When you have a population that is properly educated and doesn't have to go bankrupt when they get sick then kicked off their health care, you have a population that is more productive and upwardly mobile. You have less people needing public assistance, business doesn't have to go looking overseas for highly trained people like they do now. We would have enough doctors and nurses for the population including in rural areas.

Citizens united and infrastructure will never be fixed unless we get business out of government. For way too long we've had people in government who come from the industries government is supposed to regulate and oversee. As a result, we have things like opioid epidemics and massive oil spills such as the BP oil spill in the Gulf. Same with stopping the bribery of our politicians. All those industries had to do was bribe politicians along with putting their people in our government.

That has to stop. I don't know what the solutions are but if we can't find a way to unite as a nation again to address those problems and climate change, we will continue to the roller coaster of bubble and bursts while the rich get much richer and everyone else gets the shaft.

The ONLY reason why we "don't have the money" for things like higher education and health care is because we've cut taxes way too much and allowed wages for everyone other than those at the very top to stagnate. Our priorities are all messed up. What we do collect in taxes is spent very irresponsibly. We don't need to waste nearly 800 billion on military.

 

[sartre play]

Bernie needs to stay in his own state, he is a large part of the mess with the last election, we don't need another arm waving old man running things. time to turn the crazy down from both sides if the isle.

 

[Ame®icano]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

Free shit?
Medicare isn't free shit you dumb ass I pay into it.
Emergency services aren't free shit dumb ass if I use it I'm sent a bill for the ride
Public roads aren't free shit because I pay for them

He doesn't know that, because he doesn't pay into it.

 

[BS Filter]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

All the polls showed Hillary beating Trump.

 

[Markle]

The gop has always been against the public benefitting from tax dollars. When Social Security was passed the republicans at the time called it communism and the same things they call it today. They went as far as taking it to the Supreme Court. Which they lost the case. Same with medicare.

Social Security began as a small benefit paid when someone was in the last year of their life expectancy. Now it is supposed to be your retirement plan for a decade or two. It started out paying for itself and like all Progressive schemes, it has become a Ponzi Scheme that makes Bernie Madoff look like a rank amateur.

 

[Ame®icano]

The gop has always been against the public benefitting from tax dollars. When Social Security was passed the republicans at the time called it communism and the same things they call it today. They went as far as taking it to the Supreme Court. Which they lost the case. Same with medicare.

What a load of crap in just first few sentences.

GOP vote did not have an effect on Social Security Act of 1935 vote, since both, House and Senate were heavily Democratic.

From SSA.gov website.

They couldn't block it even if they wanted to. The challenge was to SCOTUS on expansion of Federal government that started with AAA bill and continued with New Deal. IMO, both were unconstitutional.

The rest of your post is just more crap. It's amazing how you can say something so stupid and be alive...

 

[dblack]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

From a libertarian perspective, actually respect this position. Government shouldn't be handing out favors to special interests. But ...

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

Republicans aren't libertarians. They want control of your health care just as much as the Democrats do.

Libertarianism is about as sensible as calling yourself a Jedi.....fun to pretend, but tends to fall apart when introduced to reality.....

This is why there are 60584848 different kinds of libertarianism....a new strand is made up every time reality destroys one of their delusions...

Nothing?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

The gop has always been against the public benefitting from tax dollars. When Social Security was passed the republicans at the time called it communism and the same things they call it today. They went as far as taking it to the Supreme Court. Which they lost the case. Same with medicare.

The things that Sanders is talking about is what built this nation into a superpower. The republicans always love to say how wonderful the 50s was etc but they reject the very economic policies that created the superpower we became.

I grew up in the economic benefits of the changes FDR and Eisenhower made. There was good jobs, good pay, good benefits. Public Education good infrastructure etc.

The greatest generation left us an economic policy that while wasn't perfect, did work very well.

What the republicans don't like is paying taxes. That's it. In the 50s until 1964 the top tax rate was 90% on the highest salaries and wages. LBJ lowered it to 70%. The tax rate on unearned income was higher than earned income with a rate much higher than it is today. Thus inflation was kept in check. Our jobs stayed in America. Wages and benefits kept up with inflation. Companies had the money to invest in R&D and expansion. Along with a very long list of benefits that come from high taxes on high wages that keep greed in check.

All that started being reversed in the reagan years. The rates have been slashed every time a republican gets into office. When we get a democratic president, we get the rates increased but not anywhere back to what it was that created the superpower we became.

When you have a population that is properly educated and doesn't have to go bankrupt when they get sick then kicked off their health care, you have a population that is more productive and upwardly mobile. You have less people needing public assistance, business doesn't have to go looking overseas for highly trained people like they do now. We would have enough doctors and nurses for the population including in rural areas.

Citizens united and infrastructure will never be fixed unless we get business out of government. For way too long we've had people in government who come from the industries government is supposed to regulate and oversee. As a result, we have things like opioid epidemics and massive oil spills such as the BP oil spill in the Gulf. Same with stopping the bribery of our politicians. All those industries had to do was bribe politicians along with putting their people in our government.

That has to stop. I don't know what the solutions are but if we can't find a way to unite as a nation again to address those problems and climate change, we will continue to the roller coaster of bubble and bursts while the rich get much richer and everyone else gets the shaft.

The ONLY reason why we "don't have the money" for things like higher education and health care is because we've cut taxes way too much and allowed wages for everyone other than those at the very top to stagnate. Our priorities are all messed up. What we do collect in taxes is spent very irresponsibly. We don't need to waste nearly 800 billion on military.

The only solution is...

World War III

 

[Third Party]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

Not Republican, Independent. I paid into SS for 50 years. My wife's father had a hand disabled, and she collected at 16 until 18-why?. I had two handicapped sisters, my parents never got a dime-maybe I would not have had to work full time to go a state school if there was some money for helping with braces and such-but gee, people CAN"T afford college now? BS. They don't WANT to work while going. My taxes paid for those schools, teachers, plowing, EMT's and medicaid, so no, there was no free shit. Bernie's stuff will appeal to many because they won't have to work for anything and that's why people of ALL persuasions get upset because we did have to work for it.

 

[Third Party]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Great! Run him-I want to see the great influx of money for everything-including paid healthcare for illegals.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

From a libertarian perspective, actually respect this position. Government shouldn't be handing out favors to special interests. But ...

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

Republicans aren't libertarians. They want control of your health care just as much as the Democrats do.

Libertarianism is about as sensible as calling yourself a Jedi.....fun to pretend, but tends to fall apart when introduced to reality.....

This is why there are 60584848 different kinds of libertarianism....a new strand is made up every time reality destroys one of their delusions...

Nothing?

Name me a libertarian country........

I'll wait

 

[dblack]

I notice on posts like these, I don't see many republicans presenting any "conservative" policy solutions that improves anything for the so-called working class people they claim to care about so much....

From a libertarian perspective, actually respect this position. Government shouldn't be handing out favors to special interests. But ...

All that talk about repealing Obamacare and how Trumpcare would be great....now you don't hear ANY REPUBLICAN talking about Trumpcare or any other policy solutions....too busy fearmongering about brown people, where trannies use the bathroom and 40 other things they are scared of

Republicans aren't libertarians. They want control of your health care just as much as the Democrats do.

Libertarianism is about as sensible as calling yourself a Jedi.....fun to pretend, but tends to fall apart when introduced to reality.....

This is why there are 60584848 different kinds of libertarianism....a new strand is made up every time reality destroys one of their delusions...

Nothing?

Name me a libertarian country........

I'll wait

Still nothing?

 

[Andylusion]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

There is reason that the vast majority of the highest quality schools exist in the US, as opposed to the socialized schools around the world.

There is a reason why private schools in the K-12 range, drastically out perform government run schools. By the way, this is true around the world as well.

My problem with your complain about tuition-free education, is that I know about dozen people who went to school on a free ride. I now many more than that, who were able to go to school very inexpensively.

It is a matter of choice, rather than ability. You can go to Columbus State for example, for barely $400 a month. That is entirely affordable to any student willing to work.

And then you look at wealthy parents who are scamming the system, to have the government pay for their kids.
Wealthy parents giving up guardianship of their kids to get financial aid, report says

The only difference between those people who are completely able to pay for education, but simply don't want to, and your system where every wealthy parent would get the tax payers to pay for their kids.... is that one is considered bad, and the other is considered humane by the left. But both are functionally equal.

And let's be honest.... free education would go to the wealthy, more than the poor... but the poor would be the ones paying for it.

A poor person who is super smart, and able to get into higher education, is going to be able to both get a job to help pay for, and succeed in school... and is going to easily be able to qualify, because of how smart they are, for grants and scholarships.

The vast majority of those who don't go to college, would either fail out if it were free. Make education free, doesn't magically make you able to pass the test, or in many cases simply willing to do the work.

So the people who are going to benefit the most from free education, are going to be the wealthy. The people who will pay the price for free education, will be the poor.

because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Nah, bull. That's a lie. I know people who had nothing... as in absolutely nothing... and they got cancer treatment. You people are just making up crap.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Novolin-...uzaua4XqPRoKNdayx0hPbp5eUt6ZuyuBoCf90QAvD_BwE

I get it that paying for drugs is difficult... but don't play off like there are hundreds of people, just rolling around in the gutters dying every other day, because they can't get insulin. Bull crap. List off the names. Name each person that has died because they are just rolling around in the gutter without insulin, in the last year. You should have a massive list of names. Thousands of names of specific individuals who all died from lack of insulin. Where are these mythical people? Where are their graves? Show them to me, or shut up.