I don’t understand why republicans reject social democratic principles like Bernie’s platform

[Ray From Cleveland]

1) People who get an advanced education make more money than blue collar people. Why should blue collar people pay for that? An advanced education is an investment, and taxpayers should not be paying for personal investments of any kind. What the Socialist is suggesting is that I pay for the education for somebody to be a lawyer, and in the future when I need their services, they charge me 200 bucks an hour for it.

2) Yes, the Democrats want to see more people on the dole. Why do you think they have a welcome mat at our southern border. Do you really believe that Hussein created 50 million new government dependents by accident?

Medicare for all would bankrupt this country. It would lead to a reduction of services, and government deciding who should live and who should not.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

There is a difference when people pitch in money to benefit all, and people who are pitching in money to help some.

The Democrats use tax dollars to buy votes, not advance the country entirely. They take from some and give to others. The others are usually people that vote for them, or people they are trying to buy votes from.

We all pay road taxes, whether you drive a personal vehicle, use taxi services, or a bus. But we all benefit from roads whether you drive or not.

We all pay for our police whether you use their services or not. We all benefit from their protection.

But when you tell me I have to pay for college of a person that doesn't benefit me or my family, that's socialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

You know what they call people who won the popular vote but lost the electoral college?

In her case, drunken, corrupt, loser.

Lol no one gives a shit what you think of Hillary.

Or that she won the popular vote......

 

[SAYIT]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

 

[Billy000]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Yes, well we have the Russians helping us out this election, so they don't stand a chance.

Unfortunately that’s probably true. I’m guessing if you came to believe this to be true, you wouldn’t care because your side won.

 

[SAYIT]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

There is a wide gap between Socialism and "promoting the general welfare".

Not to avid socialists like Comrade Billy.

 

[Billy000]

1) People who get an advanced education make more money than blue collar people. Why should blue collar people pay for that? An advanced education is an investment, and taxpayers should not be paying for personal investments of any kind. What the Socialist is suggesting is that I pay for the education for somebody to be a lawyer, and in the future when I need their services, they charge me 200 bucks an hour for it.

2) Yes, the Democrats want to see more people on the dole. Why do you think they have a welcome mat at our southern border. Do you really believe that Hussein created 50 million new government dependents by accident?

Medicare for all would bankrupt this country. It would lead to a reduction of services, and government deciding who should live and who should not.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

There is a difference when people pitch in money to benefit all, and people who are pitching in money to help some.

The Democrats use tax dollars to buy votes, not advance the country entirely. They take from some and give to others. The others are usually people that vote for them, or people they are trying to buy votes from.

We all pay road taxes, whether you drive a personal vehicle, use taxi services, or a bus. But we all benefit from roads whether you drive or not.

We all pay for our police whether you use their services or not. We all benefit from their protection.

But when you tell me I have to pay for college of a person that doesn't benefit me or my family, that's socialism.

Um we’d all benefit from Medicare for all. So what about people who pay taxes but their kids don’t go to public school? Should we let them not pay those taxes? How about those in the military? Should they be expected to pay for their own service? And again, society itself would benefit if more people were to seek higher education. You can ignore that if you want but it’s true.

 

[Dekster]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

You can buy goddam insulin for $25 a vial cash price at Walmart. Insulin isn't what people want. They want its analogues which are a bit more pricey.

 

[Billy000]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

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No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

View attachment 278239

No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

No one on the Left is worth a single goddam, so who cares what they think about what other people think.

 

[Billy000]

1) People who get an advanced education make more money than blue collar people. Why should blue collar people pay for that? An advanced education is an investment, and taxpayers should not be paying for personal investments of any kind. What the Socialist is suggesting is that I pay for the education for somebody to be a lawyer, and in the future when I need their services, they charge me 200 bucks an hour for it.

2) Yes, the Democrats want to see more people on the dole. Why do you think they have a welcome mat at our southern border. Do you really believe that Hussein created 50 million new government dependents by accident?

Medicare for all would bankrupt this country. It would lead to a reduction of services, and government deciding who should live and who should not.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

So how do you justify all of the socialist programs that currently exist that you and every other American takes advantage of?

There is a difference when people pitch in money to benefit all, and people who are pitching in money to help some.

The Democrats use tax dollars to buy votes, not advance the country entirely. They take from some and give to others. The others are usually people that vote for them, or people they are trying to buy votes from.

We all pay road taxes, whether you drive a personal vehicle, use taxi services, or a bus. But we all benefit from roads whether you drive or not.

We all pay for our police whether you use their services or not. We all benefit from their protection.

But when you tell me I have to pay for college of a person that doesn't benefit me or my family, that's socialism.

Also, it doesn’t matter if you or your family doesn’t benefit from programs or not. That’s still socialism either way.

 

[SAYIT]

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

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No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

No one cares about Shrillary at all, Comrade Billy.

 

[Billy000]

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

View attachment 278239

No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

No one cares about Shrillary at all, Comrade Billy.

Yeah exactly. Now you’re catching on lol

 

[Billy000]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Also, why do you buy into the poll of no one electing a socialist but dismiss any poll that doesn’t coddle your worldview?

 

[SAYIT]

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

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No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

No one cares about Shrillary at all, Comrade Billy.

Yeah exactly. Now you’re catching on lol

You brought her up ya fucking MORON.

 

[SAYIT]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Also, why do you buy into the poll of no one electing a socialist but dismiss any poll that doesn’t coddle your worldview?

Yanno, there are rational Dems who have been sounding the alarm about the Democrat Socialist Party's slide into that rabbit hole but you can't hear them because they don't coddle your commie worldview.

 

[Billy000]

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That is a fluke as far as presidential elections go.

Nothing is sweeter than the scent of bitter commie sour grapes, Comrade Billy!!! Thank you.

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No one on the left cares what you think of Hillary. Sorry to break it you lol

No one cares about Shrillary at all, Comrade Billy.

Yeah exactly. Now you’re catching on lol

You brought her up ya fucking MORON.

Uh no moron. That was entirely you who brought her up. Good god.

 

[Billy000]

Bernie’s agenda to them is about “free shit” and while technically it’s true, republicans obviously have no trouble accepting “free shit” that already exists like Medicare/medicaid, public school for kids, emergency services, driving on public roads, letting goddamn snowplows plow those very public roads.

Now granted, you can make the argument that those socialist services are not free because taxes pay for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bernie’a proposed socialist ideas would be funded by tax payer revenue.

Here is a couple of Bernie’s new ideas to a model that’s always existed in the first place:

1) Tuition-free education (this benefits society as a whole mind you because jobs that require higher education help run this country)

2) Medicare for all because most people can’t afford advanced healthcare services like cancer treatment or goddam insulin

Republicans like to pretend that his platform is all about destroying capitalism and have everyone live off the dole even though it clearly isn’t. They just decide this because it fits in with their Fox News/GOP worldview. It makes them feel manly and superior believing that kind of crap. Making college and healthcare free isn’t about taking away personal responsibility. It’s about making services more accessible because right now people can’t afford them.

Of course, beyond just an individual benefit of programs, he believes in common sense government investment like infrastructure and overturning Citizens United.

76% of Americans will not vote for a socialist, Comrade Billy. Perhaps y'all should have considered that before sliding down your rabbit hole.

Poll: Majority of Americans say they would not vote for a 'socialist'

Meanwhile back on the Dem Plantation, DNC Chair Tom Perez has 3 Mexico City fundraisers on his Sept schedule because neither of the rational Dem donors are willing to write big checks in support of the socialist silliness their candidates are peddling. The party is desperate because - as Perez admitted - “Our eventual nominee won't stand a chance against Trump and the GOP's fundraising machine..."

DNC Chief: ‘Our nominee won't stand a chance against Trump’

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Like the polls that had Shrillary crushing Trump?
They can fool silly commies all of the time.

Also, why do you buy into the poll of no one electing a socialist but dismiss any poll that doesn’t coddle your worldview?

Yanno, there are rational Dems who have been sounding the alarm about the Democrat Socialist Party's slide into that rabbit hole but you can't hear them because they don't coddle your commie worldview.

Yeah I get it. You’re too much of a pussy to directly answer my question.

 

[MAGAman]

I don’t understand why republicans reject social democratic principles like Bernie’s platform

Because we're Americans.

 

[Billy000]

I don’t understand why republicans reject social democratic principles like Bernie’s platform

Because we're Americans.

Who already utilize socialist policies.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Lol I love how you ignore all the polls that show Bernie would crush Trump in an election.

Sanders wouldn’t come remotely close to defeating Trump in a general election