I may have gotten the impeachment thing all wrong

[RealDave]

The House has the sole power of impeachment.
The Senate has the sole power to try the case.
Nowhere does the judiciary have authority over either.

You should take your own advice, super duper.

The case isn't "tried" in the senate. The trial was in the impeachment process in the house. The impeachment goes to the senate for the senators to act as judges and pass judgment either for or against removal. Go read up on some stuff, please. And it's not a TRIAL, it's an impeachment process with the house and senate having designated roles.

If the president claims executive privilege for subpoenas from the house it goes to the court. We have three branches. Count them. One, two, three. All other presidents have claimed EP in the past (every fucking one of them back to Washington) and it always goes to the court for a decision on whether or not they have to comply.\
w
Fuck, you think we live in a democratic democracy. You have a long way to go. Please start by hitting the books on the federalist papers if you don't want to look foolish.

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

Wow, those evil Dermocrats want all the evidence out in the open.

Why don't Republicans?

 

[The Original Tree]

The Democrats are tying to save an election from going like the 2016 election when a foreign country (Russia) interfered in the election.

You mean, in 2016 when Obama did nothing to stop Putin?

You mean after he and Hillary paid him $12 Million Dollars, and then gave Putin a wink and a smile and said.....

Cut It Out Thilly!

 

[Nostra]

How do you know what the witnesses would say?

If trump was innocent and if they were not complicit, they would have testified to congress.

How are you so fucking stupid ?

If the Klan were in charge, would a black person just walk in there and volunteer information that would absolutely be twisted to fit some fucked up narrative ?

NO.

If the house were really interested in justice, they never would have started this bullshit. There is nothing there.

Russia....

Collusion......

Taxes....

And a host of other attempts to get him...all manufactured by the motherfucking left....who have avowed to get rid of him before he ever stepped into the WH. Your poster girl for stupid, Max Waters....leading the way.

You are a left winger.....I guess that answers my initial question.

Your analogy isn't even close. The klan is not constitutionally bound to question, investigate and impeach blacks if our actions have been shown to be in violation of our code. Think before you post idiot. None of the things trump has been accused of is manufactured. If Don McGaun, Hope Hicks and a few others would have been allowed to testify, trump would have been Impeached earlier. Trump has obstructed justice every step of the way and you just idiot enough to claim this has happened because there is no proof.

You klan members support trump.

^^^^^^Racist^^^^^

 

[The Original Tree]

The case isn't "tried" in the senate. The trial was in the impeachment process in the house. The impeachment goes to the senate for the senators to act as judges and pass judgment either for or against removal. Go read up on some stuff, please. And it's not a TRIAL, it's an impeachment process with the house and senate having designated roles.

If the president claims executive privilege for subpoenas from the house it goes to the court. We have three branches. Count them. One, two, three. All other presidents have claimed EP in the past (every fucking one of them back to Washington) and it always goes to the court for a decision on whether or not they have to comply.\
w
Fuck, you think we live in a democratic democracy. You have a long way to go. Please start by hitting the books on the federalist papers if you don't want to look foolish.

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

Wow, those evil Dermocrats want all the evidence out in the open.

Why don't Republicans?

This isn't about Evidence of even impeachment. Do you think we are stupid?

The Democrats want to divide America, break down the wall of separation of powers for the three co-equal branches of government, destroy the electoral college, undermine the power of The Executive Branch, and usher in Socialism-Globalism, diminish the power of The Constitution, erase the bulwark of National Sovereignty, make null and void our immigration policy, usurp executive authority over foreign policy, and set themselves up as Lords over us as they lay Siege to The White House.

The President and The GOP (most of them) are the only thing stopping The Democrats from outright seizing power for themselves. So we are in a COUP, and Civil War without bullets, but make no mistake, America is under siege by Socialists and Globalists and Usurpers.

The Workers of Iniquity Abound.

 

[Nostra]

The Democrats are tying to save an election from going like the 2016 election when a foreign country (Russia) interfered in the election.

So you are doing a pre-emptive impeachment to prevent the possible corruption of an election? Wow, that is quite a precedent.

You demonstrate just how unhinged Dimwingers have become ever since Trump stomped Cankles in 2016

 

[Nostra]

The US Senate is well within its authority to dismiss this case based on the House's Impeachment, during which they presented no prosecutable crime, presented no evidence, presented no witnesses...those they had testify could not name 1 crime or Impeachable offense committed by the President when asked to do so.

No statutory crime is needed to impeach, Trump chose to not present his case or MATERIAL witnesses in the house, witnesses are not called to tell us their opinions on impeachment or crimes, they are called for evidence gathering purpose.

witnesses are not called to tell us their opinions on impeachment or crimes,

HOLY SHIT! Were you in a coma during the entire impeachment farce in the House? Opinions, hearsay, and feelings is all their witnesses had.

 

[Nostra]

Cool that proves Obama ordered Joe to extort Ukraine for personal gain!

By the time November comes will there be anything left Of The Democrat Party?

Fake News Prove it.

Why did you applaud Obama Bin Lying giving Iran Obama Bucks for Obama Bombs to kill Americans with?

2 seconds on Google and you could verify it instead of sounding like a fool calling it fake news...
Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

And the IMF, EU and all allies of the US wanted Shokin gone. But the impeachment has to do with tramp, and you know that or must.

No one cares about your lies, but God.

And Impeachment has nothing to do with Trump. It is The Left Commies trying to usurp executive privilege, undermine The Electoral College, and Rig the 2020 Elections like they rigged the 2016 Elections and failed. They were able to rig 2018 through the 24-7 waterboarding of The American people via Russia, Russia Russia, but everyone is on to Your Doctrine of Demons now, Beelzebub.

You have the impeachment of tramp all wrong. The only one who is rigging the elections are the republicans. Also I didn't lie.

Please provide your evidence of Republicans "rigging" elections.

 

[Ame®icano]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

No, they were not blocked. They were challenged in the court. They used that challenge to form and file "obstruction of Congress" Article.

Reasonable, says who? You see, when Dems are not in control they're trying to change the rules so nobody is in control. But when they have control, oh boy, they will shove it down your throat and make you suffer.

Did they testify? No
Why?
Because Trump said no.

As he should. He challenged House in the court. That's where you go when there is stand off in between branches.

House could have waited for court decision. Nixon claimed privilege and challenged too, and when court ruled against him, he resigned. But no, House didn't want to wait for court. It would drag "too long" they say. Too long for what? What's the worse thing that could happen if they waited for court?

One of two outcomes, court orders Trump to comply, or court tells House that due to separation of powers they're overreaching theirs. Only reason they didn't want to wait because they knew they're overreaching, and have no case, so court decision will put a stop on their shitshow. That's the last thing they wanna do.

 

[Care4all]

The House has the sole power of impeachment.
The Senate has the sole power to try the case.
Nowhere does the judiciary have authority over either.

You should take your own advice, super duper.

The case isn't "tried" in the senate. The trial was in the impeachment process in the house. The impeachment goes to the senate for the senators to act as judges and pass judgment either for or against removal. Go read up on some stuff, please. And it's not a TRIAL, it's an impeachment process with the house and senate having designated roles.

If the president claims executive privilege for subpoenas from the house it goes to the court. We have three branches. Count them. One, two, three. All other presidents have claimed EP in the past (every fucking one of them back to Washington) and it always goes to the court for a decision on whether or not they have to comply.\
w
Fuck, you think we live in a democratic democracy. You have a long way to go. Please start by hitting the books on the federalist papers if you don't want to look foolish.

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

They have a pretty good idea on what they will say, since a dozen or so people already testified to it....

But, you all made the "there are no first hand witnesses" a talking point, and defense.... So I'll be damn! Guess what? Here are those first hand witnesses you claimed were needed!!! Shut up, or put up, and vote to hear them!!!

 

[martybegan]

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

Trump might allow if he felt the Republicans had his back and thought they could control it.

Screeeeech go the goalposts.

 

[RealDave]

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

Wow, those evil Dermocrats want all the evidence out in the open.

Why don't Republicans?

This isn't about Evidence of even impeachment. Do you think we are stupid?

The Democrats want to divide America, break down the wall of separation of powers for the three co-equal branches of government, destroy the electoral college, undermine the power of The Executive Branch, and usher in Socialism-Globalism, diminish the power of The Constitution, erase the bulwark of National Sovereignty, make null and void our immigration policy, usurp executive authority over foreign policy, and set themselves up as Lords over us as they lay Siege to The White House.

The President and The GOP (most of them) are the only thing stopping The Democrats from outright seizing power for themselves. So we are in a COUP, and Civil War without bullets, but make no mistake, America is under siege by Socialists and Globalists and Usurpers.

The Workers of Iniquity Abound.

The answer to your first question is YES.

Trump divided America with his hate spewing.

Congress passes laws & the executive branch carries them out. Your fat assed orange buddy thinks he can do what he wants & you stupid fucks agree with him.

 

[Nostra]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

Your lazy ass House Clowns refused to go to court and fight to get witnesses to testify, as our system requires.

Why do you hate the American Constitutional system?

 

[Nostra]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

No, they were not blocked. They were challenged in the court. They used that challenge to form and file "obstruction of Congress" Article.

Reasonable, says who? You see, when Dems are not in control they're trying to change the rules so nobody is in control. But when they have control, oh boy, they will shove it down your throat and make you suffer.

Did they testify? No
Why?
Because Trump said no.

Because your House Clowns were in too big of a hurry to go thru the proper channels.

oops!

 

[RealDave]

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

Trump might allow if he felt the Republicans had his back and thought they could control it.

Screeeeech go the goalposts.

Trump said he wanted these people to testify. So call them. What are you afraid of here,. Marty? That Trump is the piece of shit we all know him to be?

 

[Nostra]

The case isn't "tried" in the senate. The trial was in the impeachment process in the house. The impeachment goes to the senate for the senators to act as judges and pass judgment either for or against removal. Go read up on some stuff, please. And it's not a TRIAL, it's an impeachment process with the house and senate having designated roles.

If the president claims executive privilege for subpoenas from the house it goes to the court. We have three branches. Count them. One, two, three. All other presidents have claimed EP in the past (every fucking one of them back to Washington) and it always goes to the court for a decision on whether or not they have to comply.\
w
Fuck, you think we live in a democratic democracy. You have a long way to go. Please start by hitting the books on the federalist papers if you don't want to look foolish.

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

Wow, those evil Dermocrats want all the evidence out in the open.

Why don't Republicans?

Republicans have not blocked any evidence. The House Clowns are free to present all the evidence they have, which is squat.

That's why they have Pencil Neck up there for 6 hours saying the same bullshit over and over and over.

Your House Clowns refused to follow the rules to get witnesses and evidence. That's on them. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

 

[RealDave]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

Your lazy ass House Clowns refused to go to court and fight to get witnesses to testify, as our system requires.

Why do you hate the American Constitutional system?

The system does not require every subpoena go before the courts. You are full opf shkit.

Afraid of calling witnesses is is sure sign you don't want their voices heard.

Brting in Truimp & swear him in. Let's find the truth.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

I'm sorry that 3 years of false accusations by Democrats refuted by 6 inquiries that the Democrats billed American taxpayers and voters for, failed to get your attention, Mr. or Ms. Slade.

Stick to the subject please I’m not taking about any of that noise, I’m talking about how this impeachment is being handled.

Senate is handling trials in the same fashion they handled Clinton's impeachment trial. If rules were good back then, and supported by all 100 Senators, there is no reason to cry "cover-up" if the same rules are used today.

You seem to be forgetting how House handled Impeachment inquiry just two months ago. Have they followed the rules from previous impeachment of Clinton? No, they set the rules to completely shut House Republicans. They ignored the House rules that allows minority hearing day, they held depositions in House basement, they leaked selective info to the press, etc.

I say, Dems in Senate are treated way better than they treated Reps in the House, and they're still complaining.

That’s a fair argument you make. I don’t think the Dems fairly treated the Republicans in the house. I will say that both sides in the house were performing partisan gamesmanship more than conducting a fair inquiry.... however I don’t excuse bad behavior from bad behavior.

McConnell is following a similar process to Clinton’s trial. There are a few differences so we shall see how it plays out. It appears to me like they are setting up to not allow the Dems to get the documents and witnesses they are asking for... if that’s how it ends up I think the majority of Americans are going to see this as a cover up. There is valid reason to explore that material as it directly relates to the charges at hand.

 

[Care4all]

trump has been impeached. There was no attempt to overthrow or reverse. We the real people, want trump to stop blocking witnesses.

Tell your House Clowns they should have gone to court to get a ruling to make them testify.

Why do you hate the American Constitutional system?

they didn't have the leisure of a year or two to fight the Trump stonewalling thru tying it up in the courts.

 

[martybegan]

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

Trump might allow if he felt the Republicans had his back and thought they could control it.

Screeeeech go the goalposts.

Trump said he wanted these people to testify. So call them. What are you afraid of here,. Marty? That Trump is the piece of shit we all know him to be?

So he wanted them to testify but stopped them? Please try to stick to one story.

 

[RealDave]

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

The Senate is holding no material evidence back.

we'll see.... McConnell's rules state they have to vote on it all, one by one...

They will vote on a fishing expedition. The House Clowns want to go fishing for whatever they can find because they failed to do their job before the trial. They have no clue what any witness would say, or what evidence is in the documents. They should have gone after all that prior to the trial.

Wow, those evil Dermocrats want all the evidence out in the open.

Why don't Republicans?

Republicans have not blocked any evidence. The House Clowns are free to present all the evidence they have, which is squat.

That's why they have Pencil Neck up there for 6 hours saying the same bullshit over and over and over.

Your House Clowns refused to follow the rules to get witnesses and evidence. That's on them. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

Trump has all the evidence - he said it yesterday.. Blocks his people from testifying.

Why is that?