I was reminded of this poll.....and its "scary"

[healthmyths]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

Does the "1991 Cease Fire" mean anything to you?

 

[healthmyths]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

Does the "1991 Cease Fire" mean anything to you?

 

[healthmyths]

1. 
   A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to human-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
   Weapon of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free ...
   Weapon of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=1

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.
Jarrod L. Taylor, a former Army sergeant on hand for the destruction of mustard shells that burned two soldiers in his infantry company, joked of “wounds that never happened” from “that stuff that didn’t exist.” The public, he said, was misled for a decade. “I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” he said. “There were plenty.”

Please explain.....

 

[healthmyths]

These Democrats were like many of us voters ...
Reasons for War: Things you might have forgotten about Iraq.

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998.

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

 

[ogibillm]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

Does the "1991 Cease Fire" mean anything to you?

Does rhe 1991 cease fire magically put in a wmd program that we found? No?
Then the 1991 cease fire has fuck-all to do with republicans and fox news viewers still believing saddam had wmd programs

 

[nat4900]

This past fall TheNew York Timesbegan publishing a powerful, ongoing series revealing the U.S. military’s mistreatment of soldiers who were exposed to decades-old chemical weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to TheTimes, between 2004 and 2011 U.S. troops stumbled across about 5,000 Iraqi chemical munitions of various types, and at least 17 American personnel, mostly bomb disposal experts, were wounded by them. All of the ordnance was manufactured by Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War, during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s

well, here we have probably one of those respondents to the survey....

OK, dimwit, had Cheney stated that the so-called "mushroom cloud" could soon be over Manhattan because of "decades-old chemical weapons"........Would congress have allowed the invasion and occupation to rid the world of these imminent threat?

I mean, SURE, our troops probably also found bottles of Clorox under every sink in Saddam's palaces.

(BTW......Remember the axis of evil speech??? I'd bet that North Korea has some NOT decades-old arsenal.....but YES, they don't have oil fields like Iraq)

 

[HappyJoy]

True. one of the several reasons why I'm not a Hillary fan......HOWEVER, here's my question:

If someone tells you a LIE, and you repeat it thinking it to be TRUTH, ultimately, WHO is the liar?

Can't you just admit it was the Clinton administration who started the movement to oust Saddam and advanced the notion that he had weapons of mass destruction? Come on, man, be honest.

But he didn't start a war with Iraq.

He tried to but he failed to get support from his own constituents. That's the only reason. I see you can't admit it either.

Have a link?

I already gave you one but if you need more...

Fail, there is nothing in that video about Bill Clinton pushing for an invasion of Iraq. No doubt, Clinton has attacked Iraq, he never invaded it. Big difference.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Recently, a friend reminded me of a poll taken last January, where more than HALF of republicans actually "think" that the war ON Iraq actually yielded the finding of caches of Weapons of Mass Destruction.....

In a Public Mind poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University released [in mid-January, 2015], more than half of Republicans — 51 percent — and half of those who watch Fox News — 52 percent — say that they believe it to be “definitely true” or “probably true” that American forces found an active weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/poll-republicans-wmds-iraq-114016#ixzz3omZWIa8l

What scares me, is that many of these respondents will actually show up to vote next November, 2016....and take their darn stupidity with them to actually cast a ballot.

Well, you can also look at the bright side, 49% don't believe it. Which is actually quite high, I thought it was only 10% or so.

 

[Wyatt earp]

This past fall TheNew York Timesbegan publishing a powerful, ongoing series revealing the U.S. military’s mistreatment of soldiers who were exposed to decades-old chemical weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to TheTimes, between 2004 and 2011 U.S. troops stumbled across about 5,000 Iraqi chemical munitions of various types, and at least 17 American personnel, mostly bomb disposal experts, were wounded by them. All of the ordnance was manufactured by Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War, during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s

well, here we have probably one of those respondents to the survey....

OK, dimwit, had Cheney stated that the so-called "mushroom cloud" could soon be over Manhattan because of "decades-old chemical weapons"........Would congress have allowed the invasion and occupation to rid the world of these imminent threat?

I mean, SURE, our troops probably also found bottles of Clorox under every sink in Saddam's palaces.

(BTW......Remember the axis of evil speech??? I'd bet that North Korea has some NOT decades-old arsenal.....but YES, they don't have oil fields like Iraq)

We are not talking about that and don't try to change the goal post.

WMDs were found in Iraq=Fact

Sadam was not making new ones as Bush Jr, Dick and Powell claims= Fact

Those are the FACTS , not my fault you are ignorant in News and Politics.

 

[ogibillm]

This past fall TheNew York Timesbegan publishing a powerful, ongoing series revealing the U.S. military’s mistreatment of soldiers who were exposed to decades-old chemical weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to TheTimes, between 2004 and 2011 U.S. troops stumbled across about 5,000 Iraqi chemical munitions of various types, and at least 17 American personnel, mostly bomb disposal experts, were wounded by them. All of the ordnance was manufactured by Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War, during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s

well, here we have probably one of those respondents to the survey....

OK, dimwit, had Cheney stated that the so-called "mushroom cloud" could soon be over Manhattan because of "decades-old chemical weapons"........Would congress have allowed the invasion and occupation to rid the world of these imminent threat?

I mean, SURE, our troops probably also found bottles of Clorox under every sink in Saddam's palaces.

(BTW......Remember the axis of evil speech??? I'd bet that North Korea has some NOT decades-old arsenal.....but YES, they don't have oil fields like Iraq)

We are not talking about that and don't try to change the goal post.

WMDs were found in Iraq=Fact

Sadam was not making new ones as Bush Jr, Dick and Powell claims= Fact

Those are the FACTS , not my fault you are ignorant in News and Politics.

I'd say the finding of wmds is debatable. Remnants of wmds seems more accurate

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

 

[Wyatt earp]

This past fall TheNew York Timesbegan publishing a powerful, ongoing series revealing the U.S. military’s mistreatment of soldiers who were exposed to decades-old chemical weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to TheTimes, between 2004 and 2011 U.S. troops stumbled across about 5,000 Iraqi chemical munitions of various types, and at least 17 American personnel, mostly bomb disposal experts, were wounded by them. All of the ordnance was manufactured by Iraq prior to the 1991 Gulf War, during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s

well, here we have probably one of those respondents to the survey....

OK, dimwit, had Cheney stated that the so-called "mushroom cloud" could soon be over Manhattan because of "decades-old chemical weapons"........Would congress have allowed the invasion and occupation to rid the world of these imminent threat?

I mean, SURE, our troops probably also found bottles of Clorox under every sink in Saddam's palaces.

(BTW......Remember the axis of evil speech??? I'd bet that North Korea has some NOT decades-old arsenal.....but YES, they don't have oil fields like Iraq)

We are not talking about that and don't try to change the goal post.

WMDs were found in Iraq=Fact

Sadam was not making new ones as Bush Jr, Dick and Powell claims= Fact

Those are the FACTS , not my fault you are ignorant in News and Politics.

I'd say the finding of wmds is debatable. Remnants of wmds seems more accurate

True, it just wasn't what the hard liner RWs thought and what the Ultra left didn't want to hear.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's hysterical to see the whole "Faux News"/"Fox Noise" blather.

3,000,000 people watch fox.

100,000,000 vote.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

Ya know I always thought we gave those chemical weapons to Sadam , I never knew Sadam was making his own during his war with Iran.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

Ya know I always thought we gave those chemical weapons to Sadam , I never knew Sadam was making his own during his war with Iran.

I still think he either buried em in the desert or hauled them to Syria.

 

[healthmyths]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

Ya know I always thought we gave those chemical weapons to Sadam , I never knew Sadam was making his own during his war with Iran.

From PBS... Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

The IAEA inspections revealed seven nuclear-related sites in Iraq. [2] The IAEA reports that all sensitive nuclear materials were removed, and that facilities and equipment were dismantled or destroyed. Activities uncovered and destroyed included:

• an industrial scale complex for Electromagnetic Isotope Separation (EMIS), a process for producing enriched uranium. The complex was designed for the installation of 90 separators; before the Gulf War, eight were functional. If all separators had been installed, the plant could have produced 15 kg of highly enriched uranium per year, possibly enough for one nuclear weapon.
  
  
• a large scale manufacturing and testing facility--the Al Furat Project--designed for the production of centrifuges, used in another method of uranium enrichment.
  
  
• facilities and equipment for the production of weapons components.
  
  
• computer simulations of nuclear weapons detonations
  
  
• storage of large quantities of HMX high explosive used in nuclear weapons.
  

According to former U.N. inspector David Kay, Iraq spent over $10 billion during the 1980s in an attempt to enrich uranium and build a nuclear weapon. However, the Agency concludes that as of December, 1998, "There were no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons," or "that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapons-usable nuclear material of any practical significance." However, the IAEA did find that "Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the production of [highly enriched uranium] ... and the fabrication of the explosive package for a nuclear weapon." Despite the fact that the facilities and nuclear material had been destroyed or removed, as early as 1996 the IAEA concluded that "the know-how and expertise acquired by Iraqi scientists and engineers could provide an adequate base for reconstituting a nuclear-weapons-oriented program."

 

[ogibillm]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

When did that happen? After our invasion? No? Then it has nothing to do with anything

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

When did that happen? After our invasion? No? Then it has nothing to do with anything

LOL...So you're okay with assuming he used it all on the Kurds?

 

[ogibillm]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

Ya know I always thought we gave those chemical weapons to Sadam , I never knew Sadam was making his own during his war with Iran.

From PBS... Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

The IAEA inspections revealed seven nuclear-related sites in Iraq. [2] The IAEA reports that all sensitive nuclear materials were removed, and that facilities and equipment were dismantled or destroyed. Activities uncovered and destroyed included:

• an industrial scale complex for Electromagnetic Isotope Separation (EMIS), a process for producing enriched uranium. The complex was designed for the installation of 90 separators; before the Gulf War, eight were functional. If all separators had been installed, the plant could have produced 15 kg of highly enriched uranium per year, possibly enough for one nuclear weapon.
  
  
• a large scale manufacturing and testing facility--the Al Furat Project--designed for the production of centrifuges, used in another method of uranium enrichment.
  
  
• facilities and equipment for the production of weapons components.
  
  
• computer simulations of nuclear weapons detonations
  
  
• storage of large quantities of HMX high explosive used in nuclear weapons.

According to former U.N. inspector David Kay, Iraq spent over $10 billion during the 1980s in an attempt to enrich uranium and build a nuclear weapon. However, the Agency concludes that as of December, 1998, "There were no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons," or "that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapons-usable nuclear material of any practical significance." However, the IAEA did find that "Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the production of [highly enriched uranium] ... and the fabrication of the explosive package for a nuclear weapon." Despite the fact that the facilities and nuclear material had been destroyed or removed, as early as 1996 the IAEA concluded that "the know-how and expertise acquired by Iraqi scientists and engineers could provide an adequate base for reconstituting a nuclear-weapons-oriented program."

And yet there were no active programs when we invaded.
So are you part of the 51%?

 

[ogibillm]

What do the actions of either Clinton or Bush have to do with the current erroneous belief by more than half of republicans and fox news viewers that we found wmd programs in iraq?

So what did saddam gas the Kurds with?
Lysol?

When did that happen? After our invasion? No? Then it has nothing to do with anything

LOL...So you're okay with assuming he used it all on the Kurds?

Did we find active wmd programs?