If Jesus couldn't keep HIMSELF out of trouble...

[AllieBaba]

And her point of view never has anything to do with reality. That's the problem.

 

[AmericanFirst]

...how do you expect him to save you?

This seems like a fatal theological flaw if ever there was one.

Something is flawed alright. And it's your brain!

Please refrain from speaking on things you know nothing about.

Can't argue the point, so you attack? Join the club; it's big around here.

What is your point? State an example where Jesus couldn't keep himself out of trouble? You know what, you can't. So your post is stupid. Get a life.

 

[AmericanFirst]

...how do you expect him to save you?

This seems like a fatal theological flaw if ever there was one.

lets see

Was he trying to keep out of trouble? ...no i dont think so
Did he TRY to save himself? no i dont think so
Did he ask to be saved? no i dont think so.


you do have a weak understanding of things dont you?

Actually he did pray to his Father to lift the burden of death from him in the garden. But he also knew that he had to die for our sins.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I'm not a christian, but according to the Bible it seems like he wanted to get in trouble (crucifixion) to absolve people of their sins.

According to the Bible, he had no interest in getting into THAT kind of trouble.

That's why he said "My Lord, my Lord, why have you abandoned me?" when he was on the cross.

If you understood the Bible you know that is not the case. Try again false prophet.

 

[daveman]

Why don't you read (and try to COMPREHEND) about Yeshua? Then you would know for yourself. If you don't want to do the whole Bible, read Genesis (it is important to understand why the muslims are sooooo, angry), then Jerimiah (compare to Middle ages Europe), then Ezekiel (to see what really makes the Lord, angry), and then the Gospels. Take your time. Say a small prayer for comprehension before you start reading each time, and learn! You may even find some things that are happening, currently.

He's got his mind made up. He's not interested in anything that contradicts it.

And you're different how? You've made your mind up about me and you're not interested in hearing anything that contradicts that.

My opinion of you is based on your words alone. You have proven yourself to be a liar and less than intelligent.

You don't like it? Stop being a stupid liar.

Wonky asked a question, irreverent as it was. Who's actually answered it?

I have. Others have, too.

 

[daveman]

Goodbye dave. Have fun talking to people who agree with you.

I have fun talking to people who disagree with me, too.

But I don't have fun talking to people who lie and distort my views.

Let's examine that. You caught me making a broadbush statement. I admitted it.

I've misunderstood your position. I interpreted some of what you said incorrectly. You're calling that deliberate distortion and lies.

I'm relieved that you aren't talking to me anymore.

Bye.

No, what I'm calling your deliberate distortions and lies are your deliberate distortions and lies.

 

[daveman]

Was wondering when you'd tumble....

I "asked" for proof of what you said for a simple reason: to show that it was IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove any of it on an anonymous forum like this one.

Starting to get it now?

Interesting backpedal. Not convincing, but interesting.

And it's incorrect. I could post my performance reports and decoration citations to prove everything I've said. Butthurt sissy bedwetters would still claim it's all faked, though.

Look, I know you're probably bitter that you haven't really accomplished anything. But you only have yourself to blame.

The fact that you even CARE whether I've accomplished anything is, by itself, ample proof that you don't want debate.

Absolutely wrong. I want evidence that your views are based on something concrete.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Something is flawed alright. And it's your brain!

Please refrain from speaking on things you know nothing about.

Can't argue the point, so you attack? Join the club; it's big around here.

What is your point? State an example where Jesus couldn't keep himself out of trouble? You know what, you can't. So your post is stupid. Get a life.

Of course I can: even the trolls on this thread know what the reference is to.

Crucifixion is trouble, unless you're a suicidal masochist.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Interesting backpedal. Not convincing, but interesting.

And it's incorrect. I could post my performance reports and decoration citations to prove everything I've said. Butthurt sissy bedwetters would still claim it's all faked, though.

Look, I know you're probably bitter that you haven't really accomplished anything. But you only have yourself to blame.

The fact that you even CARE whether I've accomplished anything is, by itself, ample proof that you don't want debate.

Absolutely wrong. I want evidence that your views are based on something concrete.

Fail.

The only thing that anyone here can base their views on is outside evidence. Not their self-proclaimed accomplishments, which can't be verified. You rarely point to outside evidence, which is why you're so looked down on.

 

[daveman]

The fact that you even CARE whether I've accomplished anything is, by itself, ample proof that you don't want debate.

Absolutely wrong. I want evidence that your views are based on something concrete.

Fail.

Yes, I expect that's what comprises the bulk of your resume.

The only thing that anyone here can base their views on is outside evidence. Not their self-proclaimed accomplishments, which can't be verified. You rarely point to outside evidence...

Incorrect.

...which is why you're so looked down on.

And now you feel qualified to speak for others?

My, what an arrogant asshole.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

The only thing that anyone here can base their views on is outside evidence. Not their self-proclaimed accomplishments, which can't be verified. You rarely point to outside evidence...

Incorrect.

You couldn't cite so much as one example. I rest my case.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Why don't you read (and try to COMPREHEND) about Yeshua? Then you would know for yourself. If you don't want to do the whole Bible, read Genesis (it is important to understand why the muslims are sooooo, angry), then Jerimiah (compare to Middle ages Europe), then Ezekiel (to see what really makes the Lord, angry), and then the Gospels. Take your time. Say a small prayer for comprehension before you start reading each time, and learn! You may even find some things that are happening, currently.

Here is what I don't understand. Wonky isn't a Christian. Why should he pray to your God, the one he doesn't believe in, or read the Bible?

It doesn't make sense. Are you trying to convert him? Is your goal that he value the Bible the way you do?

He asked a question. His question was disrespectful and mocking. I suggested he go to the source. I even suggested an abbreviated path so he could have a clue about the Lord. I did not suggest that he should "believe". I suggested that he should comprehend. If you want to have a conversation, it is easier if you understand what the other person is trying to say. His question suggested that he did not understand anything of Yeshua.
If he reads that, I believe that question will change. Since he would then have some comprehension of the subject, his question(s) would make more sense to those of us that try to comprehend the Bible.

I have no interest in "converting" him. I gave him a choice. The Lord gave him the ability to reason. We will see if he chooses to use it.

I have read about your faith from time to time. I am aware that I do not understand it fully. If I meet someone that I respect in that faith, I will ask them questions and try to understand why they made that choice. It does not mean that I am interested in converting.

Do you really expect an atheist to respect religion? I agree that the OP was making fun of Jesus at Christians expense. As for him being disrespectful and mocking, that seems to be an equal opportunity posting experience here. I read plenty of posts by Christians who are disrespectful and mocking of non-christians.

If the bible isn't your spiritual book, why bother reading it?

I've read the bible from cover to cover. What interests me in the bible, no christian here is interested in talking about.

I'm interested in mysticism. Folks here, a bunch of them, seem to take the bible literally.

I think the bible is full of allegory and metaphor.

 

[AllieBaba]

The only thing that anyone here can base their views on is outside evidence. Not their self-proclaimed accomplishments, which can't be verified. You rarely point to outside evidence...

Incorrect.

You couldn't cite so much as one example. I rest my case.

That's because you're statement is so idiotic it doesn't bear disproving.

Of course anyone can base their views on anything they want. I can base my views on the color of my boogers, if I choose. What a moronic thing for you to say.

 

[AllieBaba]

Here is what I don't understand. Wonky isn't a Christian. Why should he pray to your God, the one he doesn't believe in, or read the Bible?

It doesn't make sense. Are you trying to convert him? Is your goal that he value the Bible the way you do?

He asked a question. His question was disrespectful and mocking. I suggested he go to the source. I even suggested an abbreviated path so he could have a clue about the Lord. I did not suggest that he should "believe". I suggested that he should comprehend. If you want to have a conversation, it is easier if you understand what the other person is trying to say. His question suggested that he did not understand anything of Yeshua.
If he reads that, I believe that question will change. Since he would then have some comprehension of the subject, his question(s) would make more sense to those of us that try to comprehend the Bible.

I have no interest in "converting" him. I gave him a choice. The Lord gave him the ability to reason. We will see if he chooses to use it.

I have read about your faith from time to time. I am aware that I do not understand it fully. If I meet someone that I respect in that faith, I will ask them questions and try to understand why they made that choice. It does not mean that I am interested in converting.

Do you really expect an atheist to respect religion? I agree that the OP was making fun of Jesus at Christians expense. As for him being disrespectful and mocking, that seems to be an equal opportunity posting experience here. I read plenty of posts by Christians who are disrespectful and mocking of non-christians.

If the bible isn't your spiritual book, why bother reading it?

I've read the bible from cover to cover. What interests me in the bible, no christian here is interested in talking about.

I'm interested in mysticism. Folks here, a bunch of them, seem to take the bible literally.

I think the bible is full of allegory and metaphor.

Good for you.

And so?

 

[Sky Dancer]

He asked a question. His question was disrespectful and mocking. I suggested he go to the source. I even suggested an abbreviated path so he could have a clue about the Lord. I did not suggest that he should "believe". I suggested that he should comprehend. If you want to have a conversation, it is easier if you understand what the other person is trying to say. His question suggested that he did not understand anything of Yeshua.
If he reads that, I believe that question will change. Since he would then have some comprehension of the subject, his question(s) would make more sense to those of us that try to comprehend the Bible.

I have no interest in "converting" him. I gave him a choice. The Lord gave him the ability to reason. We will see if he chooses to use it.

I have read about your faith from time to time. I am aware that I do not understand it fully. If I meet someone that I respect in that faith, I will ask them questions and try to understand why they made that choice. It does not mean that I am interested in converting.

Do you really expect an atheist to respect religion? I agree that the OP was making fun of Jesus at Christians expense. As for him being disrespectful and mocking, that seems to be an equal opportunity posting experience here. I read plenty of posts by Christians who are disrespectful and mocking of non-christians.

If the bible isn't your spiritual book, why bother reading it?

I've read the bible from cover to cover. What interests me in the bible, no christian here is interested in talking about.

I'm interested in mysticism. Folks here, a bunch of them, seem to take the bible literally.

I think the bible is full of allegory and metaphor.

Good for you.

And so?

Clearly, discussing my understanding of the mystical meaning of the bible isn't the topic here.

 

[AllieBaba]

So I wonder why you brought it up.

Oh wait, it's Sky, the professional "let's talk about something that has nothing to do with anything that's actually being discussed" pontificator.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I brought it up because the discussion is about bible teachings and the meaning of Jesus. I have my own opinions about that.

It seems that unless a poster is a practicing Christian, some of you Christian folks would rather we didn't post anything about Jesus.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Incorrect.

You couldn't cite so much as one example. I rest my case.

That's because you're statement is so idiotic it doesn't bear disproving.

Of course anyone can base their views on anything they want. I can base my views on the color of my boogers, if I choose. What a moronic thing for you to say.

If I had a dollar for every idiotic statement you made, I could pay off the national debt today.

 

[daveman]

The only thing that anyone here can base their views on is outside evidence. Not their self-proclaimed accomplishments, which can't be verified. You rarely point to outside evidence...

Incorrect.

You couldn't cite so much as one example. I rest my case.

Really? Are you claiming I've never offered links to back up my claims?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/169159-the-philosophy-of-death-american-liberalism.html

Reality says you're wrong. But you never let that get in your way before, have you?

 

[logical4u]

...how do you expect him to save you?

This seems like a fatal theological flaw if ever there was one.

Why don't you read (and try to COMPREHEND) about Yeshua? Then you would know for yourself. If you don't want to do the whole Bible, read Genesis (it is important to understand why the muslims are sooooo, angry), then Jerimiah (compare to Middle ages Europe), then Ezekiel (to see what really makes the Lord, angry), and then the Gospels. Take your time. Say a small prayer for comprehension before you start reading each time, and learn! You may even find some things that are happening, currently.

If you're as logical as your screen name, surely you can explain it to me.

If you are as intelligent as your avitar looks, you will do your research.