If No One Today Owned Slaves...

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are presenting a strawman. There was clearly a cultural shift from white southern conservatives supporting Democrats to them now supporting Republicans and Black Americans supporting Republicans to being the representatives of Democrats in the South.

There was clearly a cultural shift from white southern conservatives supporting Democrats to them now supporting Republicans

Of course, once the Dems all became big spending commie lovers.

 

[Curried Goats]

The old Dixiecrats didn't become Republicans.
The young Republicans were never Dixiecrats.

I'm sorry that you can't accept that young Trent Lott was a dixiecrat aide, but he was.

The old racist Democrats died off, the young conservative Republicans grew up.

Yes. The ancestors of southern Republicans today were those slaver Democrats they like to talk shit about until we start naming names. That's why Republicans communities cry we threaten to tear down Confederate statues and tell us clearly that we're trying to destroy their heritage.

 

[Curried Goats]

/——/ As the Dixiecrats died off so did their representatives. Young people like me became Republicans when we registered to vote.

Exactly. Thanks for admitting your forefathers were the Dixiecrats.

 

[Curried Goats]

There was clearly a cultural shift from white southern conservatives supporting Democrats to them now supporting Republicans

Of course, once the Dems all became big spending commie lovers.

Now that you clowns are admitting it can we stop with the silly cosplay arguments?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Exactly. Thanks for admitting your forefathers were the Dixiecrats.

/——/ My family were sold Republicans. You’re grasping at straws and twisting in the wind. Pathetic

 

[Curried Goats]

/——/ My family were sold Republicans. You’re grasping at straws and twisting in the wind. Pathetic

Maybe your family but I guarantee you if you start shitting on the memory of Robert E Lee it's a southern Republican you're going to offend, not a Democrat.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Now that you clowns are admitting it can we stop with the silly cosplay arguments?

/——/ No one admitted anything except that you’re shooting blanks with stupid arguments.

 

[Kondor3]

See. There it is. When you clowns try to talk tough against slavery it all breaks down when we start naming actual democratic slavers.

Not really.

Robert E. Lee was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

George Washington was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

Thomas Jefferson was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

All slave-owners... but exceptional and highly-respected and beloved American leaders, nevertheless, and despite all that.

Ditto for numerous others not named here but there were plenty of slaveowners who held the same bragging rights.

Slavery was wrong, and it was perceived as wrong in many quarters.

Both in our own times measured by our present standards and even to some extent by the standards of their own times.

Perhaps Black slave-catchers and Muslim-Arab slave-wholesalers should not have been selling to White Folk back then, eh?

But - in the whole, and by-and-large, Democrats tried to hold onto slavery, and disenfranchised Blacks again after 1865.

And Democrats continued to operate in that vein until the 1930s and 1940s when it dawned on them Blacks could be useful.

At which time they began to siphon-away the Black Vote from the Republican Party, where it has since remained entrenched.

But White Democrats, collectively, have never thought much of Blacks, nor even of Hispanics or Asians nor AmerInddians.

Granted, they've done a marvelous job of hoodwinking Blacks, et al, and renew that hoodwinking, every four years or so.

Until they disappear again once the election du jour is over and things go back to the same-old-$hit status as before.

Slowly but surely Blacks - and even more vigorously and quickly, Hispanics - are beginning to break free of (D) control.

But it will take a couple of generations, and Republicans haven't got the brains to figure that out and adapt accordingly.

 

[2aguy]

Republicans were complicit in slavery and Jim Crow. It was a Democrat that ended Jim Crow and the very same year Johnson signed our second Emancipation Proclamation, Republicans nominated a presidential candidate that opposed the Civil Rights Act. Now is the time for you Republicans to STFU with your lies.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist who voted against every Civil Rights act when he was in congress, including the anti-lynching law, and only signed on to the last one at the end because he knew the democrats couldn't keep blacks from voting, no matter how many blacks the democrat party kkk murdered....so they had to give in and sign on to the last Civil Rights act or lose national elections forever...

 

[Curried Goats]

/——/ No one admitted anything except that you’re shooting blanks with stupid arguments.

I'm not. When Republican legislators go out if their way to protect Confederate idolatry it really gives the game away.




West Virginia Republicans seek to criminalize removal of Confederate statues


Republican lawmakers push forward bill to protect Confederate, other monuments

List of House Republicans Who Voted Against Removing Confederate Statues

 

[2aguy]

Republicans were complicit in slavery and Jim Crow. It was a Democrat that ended Jim Crow and the very same year Johnson signed our second Emancipation Proclamation, Republicans nominated a presidential candidate that opposed the Civil Rights Act. Now is the time for you Republicans to STFU with your lies.

Why you are a shill for the racist democrat party is beyond me..........you are either immensely stupid, or immensly evil...

The Truth about Johnson and Goldwater...

Johnson was a racist and an opportunist.....while Goldwater was an actual, Civil Rights hero........

LBJ’s Democratic Plantation › American Greatness
https://amgreatness.com/2018/09/02/lbjs-democratic-plantation/
there is a man who, according to a memo filed by FBI agent William Branigan, seems to have been in the Ku Klux Klan. This memo was only revealed in recent months, with the release of the JFK Files.


Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker

"He had been a congressman, beginning in 1937, for eleven years, and for eleven years he had voted against every civil rights bill –

against not only legislation aimed at ending the poll tax and segregation in the armed services but even against legislation aimed at ending lynching: a one hundred percent record," Caro wrote.


"Running for the Senate in 1948, he had assailed President" Harry "Truman’s entire civil rights program (‘an effort to set up a police state’)…Until 1957, in the Senate, as in the House, his record – by that time a twenty-year record – against civil rights had been consistent," Caro wrote.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300432/party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

The Party of Civil Rights

The depth of Johnson’s prior opposition to civil-rights reform must be digested in some detail to be properly appreciated.

In the House, he did not represent a particularly segregationist constituency (it “made up for being less intensely segregationist than the rest of the South by being more intensely anti-Communist,” as the New York Times put it), but Johnson was practically antebellum in his views.

Never mind civil rights or voting rights: In Congress, Johnson had consistently and repeatedly voted against legislation to protect black Americans from lynching.


As a leader in the Senate, Johnson did his best to cripple the Civil Rights Act of 1957; not having votes sufficient to stop it, he managed to reduce it to an act of mere symbolism by excising the enforcement provisions before sending it to the desk of President Eisenhower.


Johnson’s Democratic colleague Strom Thurmond nonetheless went to the trouble of staging the longest filibuster in history up to that point, speaking for 24 hours in a futile attempt to block the bill. The reformers came back in 1960 with an act to remedy the deficiencies of the 1957 act, and Johnson’s Senate Democrats again staged a record-setting filibuster.

In both cases, the “master of the Senate” petitioned the northeastern Kennedy liberals to credit him for having seen to the law’s passage while at the same time boasting to southern Democrats that he had taken the teeth out of the legislation.



Johnson would later explain his thinking thus: “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days, and that’s a problem for us, since they’ve got something now they never had before: the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this — we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”

Read more at: The Party of Civil Rights
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Goldwater.....

Barry M. Goldwater: The Most Consequential Loser in American Politics

Goldwater treated all people the same. As a private citizen, he flew mercy missions to Navaho reservations, never asking for recognition or accepting payment. He felt that “the red man seemed as much—if not more—a part of Arizona and America as any white or black person.”[20] Moreover, a few weeks after Goldwater was discharged from the Army in November 1945, Democratic Arizona Governor Sidney Preston Osborn asked him to organize the Arizona Air National Guard. One of Goldwater’s first recommendations, soon approved, was to desegregate the unit. Goldwater’s integration of the state’s Air National Guard took place more than two years before President Harry Truman integrated the U.S. armed forces.

Goldwater was an early member of the Arizona chapters of both the NAACP and the National Urban League, even making up the latter’s operating deficit when it was getting started. Later as a Senator, he desegregated the Senate cafeteria in 1953, demanding that his black legislative assistant, Kathrine Maxwell, be served along with every other Senate employee after learning she had been denied service.

In the mid-1970s, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, investigating improper operations of the intelligence community in the United States, proposed that transcripts of the FBI tapes about Martin Luther King Jr.’s alleged indiscretions be published. An outraged Goldwater declared he would not be a party to destroying King’s reputation and strode out of the committee room. A fellow Senator recalled that Goldwater’s protest “injected some common sense into the proceedings,” and the electronic surveillance transcripts were not released.[21]

That his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was based on constitutional grounds and not political considerations was underscored in the final week of the fall campaign.

Speaking in Columbia, South Carolina, Goldwater condemned segregation and declared that government must treat “all men as equal in the arena of law and civil order.”[22] He pledged if elected President to implement all provisions of the act. His forthright pro-civil rights speech was televised on 87 stations throughout the South.

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http://www.newsmax.com/John-Gizzi/B...ights-Act-San-Francisco/2014/07/18/id/583541/

As for the Republican nominee's position on the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater had said he would vote for passage if Section II on public accommodations and Section VII on equal employment opportunity were removed. With his view reinforced by a detailed memorandum from Phoenix lawyer and future Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Goldwater felt these sections were unconstitutional, were unenforceable without a federal police force, and would lead to the creation of racial quotas and affirmative action.

"He was absolutely right about [the two sections of the Civil Rights Act] and they did lead to precisely what Goldwater and most conservatives were afraid of," said Tom Winter, then executive editor of Human Events, who would join Ryskind as its co-owner a year later. As for the "extremism in the defense of liberty" speech, Winter recalled watching it from a San Francisco restaurant "and cheering it because it was clearly about freedom and fighting communism. I certainly didn't think it had anything to do with race."

https://freedomsjournalinstitute.org/uncategorized/urban-legend-goldwater-against-civil-rights/

More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National guard and Phoenix public schools.[4] Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.[5]
His personal feelings about discrimination are enshrined in the congressional record where he states, “I am unalterably opposed to discrimination or segregation on the basis of race, color, or creed or on any other basis; not only my words, but more importantly my actions through years have repeatedly demonstrated the sincerity of my feeling in this regard…”[6]. And, he would continued to holdfast to his strongly felt convictions that constitutionally the federal government was limited in what it could do, believing that the amoral actions of those perpetuating discrimination and segregation would have to be judged by those in that community. Eventually, the states government and local communities would come to pressure people to change their minds. Goldwater’s view was that the civil disobedience by private citizens against those business establishments was more preferable than intervention by the feds. He, optimistically, believed that racial intolerance would soon buckle under the economic and societal pressure.

 

[2aguy]

I understand that the Alabama GOP is today trying to disenfranchise black voters with its corrupt gerrymandering exercise.

This in direct opposition to the Supreme court.

In Georgia Gov Kemp passed racist legisation to enable him tp remove recently elected DAs.

They are using this to persecute Fani Willis..

Of course I know very little about US racist politics.

Perhaps posters have other examples ?

You know so little about so much, and you know it with such passion.......

The democrats gerrymander when they have the power...it is a legitimate function of winning majorities....

Those DAs are the ones not prosecuting criminals...the very criminals murdering people in the streets.

Fani willis is abusing her power and our justice system to persecute the political enemies of the democrat party..

 

[LuckyDuck]

Then why do Republicans keep trying to talk about today's Democrats and slavery?

There is a lot modern republicans choose not to tell young blacks as they try luring blacks into supporting a move back into Jim Crow. First, not all Republicans were for racial equality. The Party had several factions in the beginning. One was the Radical Republicans. The Radical Republicans were for the eradication of slavery. They were not conservatives. Frederick Douglass was a Radical Republican. Lincoln was moderate politically. He opposed the expansion of slavery but did not believe in racial equality.

As the country began splitting up, a great panic started consuming the outgoing Buchanan administration and members of congress. They wanted to keep the union together. They did not want the south to leave. They did not want war. President Buchanan declared secession was a constitutional crisis and then asked Congress to develop a plan to keep the south in the union.4 He wanted Congress to assure the southern states that slavery would be protected once Lincoln took office. Congress offered over fifty different proposals trying to keep the union together. In the end, congress settled for a proposal by Republican Thomas Corwin. It is called the Corwin Amendment, or more accurately, the slavery amendment.

The Corwin Amendment is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that has never been adopted, but owing to the absence of a ratification deadline, could still be adopted by the state legislatures. It would shield slavery within the states from the federal constitutional amendment process and from abolition or interference by Congress. Although the Corwin Amendment does not explicitly use the word slavery, it was designed specifically to protect slavery from federal power. The out-going 36th United States Congress proposed the Corwin Amendment on March 2, 1861, shortly before the outbreak of the American Civil War, with the intent of preventing that war and preserving the Union. It passed Congress but was not ratified by the requisite number of state legislatures.

Several Southern states attempted to secede after the 1860 presidential election, eventually forming the Confederate States of America. Several federal legislative measures, including the Corwin Amendment, were proposed during this period in the hope of either reconciling the sections of the United States or avoiding the secession of the border states. Senator William H. Seward and Representative Thomas Corwin, Republicans and allies of President-elect Abraham Lincoln, introduced the Corwin Amendment, which was endorsed by the outgoing president, James Buchanan. Because it was only ratified in a handful of Northern states and Kentucky, the amendment failed to achieve its goal of preventing civil war and preserving the Union. Ultimately, it fell out of favor during the Civil War.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was proposed by 2 republicans, it's documented fact and it's time republicans stopped posting disingenuous junk. Blacks know the history and the more you think we are stupid enough to fall for your tale and keep trying to tell it, the more we will refuse to become Republicans.

Because the Democrats keep claiming that blacks have always been and still are, victims of racism. Blacks fought hard to end "separate but equal," yet here they are, now wanting separation as in separate classes, graduations and other events. Martin Luther King would shake his head at the nonsense going on.
As to the problems going on in black communities, who's running most of the major cities from Mayors to City Councils? Democrats. As long as you keep voting for the same party and expecting different results, you are considered insane. The Republican Party isn't about racism, but rather, pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, rather than handouts.

 

[Curried Goats]

Not really.

Robert E. Lee was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

Respected and loved by you, not me. Speak for yourself. I don't respect that piece of human shit. So far though you're doing a really good job making my point for me.

George Washington was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

Nope. He was a piece of shit slaver too. I have no respect for him. You love your some slavers though don't you? Do you vote Democrat or Republican by chance?

Thomas Jefferson was an exceptional and highly respected and beloved American leader.

Thomas Jefferson has the honor of being a slaver and a child rapist. As a 40 plus year old man he started raping his teenage slave Sally Hemmings. Suffice it to say I have no respect for him as well.

All slave-owners... but exceptional and highly-respected and beloved American leaders, nevertheless, and despite all that.

To you, a solid Democrat supporter according to the Republican posters here.

Ditto for numerous others not named here but there were plenty of slaveowners who held the same bragging rights.

Slavery was wrong, and it was perceived as wrong in many quarters.

Both in our own times measured by our present standards and even to some extent by the standards of their own times.

Perhaps Black slave-catchers and Muslim-Arab slave-wholesalers should not have been selling to White Folk back then, eh?

But - in the whole, and by-and-large, Democrats tried to hold onto slavery, and disenfranchised Blacks again after 1865.

I'm confused with all your purported love of slavers I can't tell if you were in support of this or against it.....

And Democrats continued to operate in that vein until the 1930s and 1940s when it dawned on them Blacks could be useful.

At which time they began to siphon-away the Black Vote from the Republican Party, where it has since remained entrenched.

But White Democrats, collectively, have never thought much of Blacks, nor even of Hispanics or Asians nor AmerInddians.

Granted, they've done a marvelous job of hoodwinking Blacks, et al, and renew that hoodwinking, every four years or so.

Until they disappear again once the election du jour is over and things go back to the same-old-$hit status as before.

Slowly but surely Blacks - and even more vigorously and quickly, Hispanics - are beginning to break free of (D) control.

But it will take a couple of generations, and Republicans haven't got the brains to figure that out and adapt accordingly.

You don't think much of Black voters. After all you're the won who thinks 90% are hoodwinked and can't think for themselves. This projection coupled with a total lack of awareness is quite something to behold.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm sorry that you can't accept that young Trent Lott was a dixiecrat aide, but he was.

Yes. The ancestors of southern Republicans today were those slaver Democrats they like to talk shit about until we start naming names. That's why Republicans communities cry we threaten to tear down Confederate statues and tell us clearly that we're trying to destroy their heritage.

He worked for a Dixiecrat. A Dixiecrat who never became a Republican.
After the Dems became big spending commies, the south turned Republican.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Now that you clowns are admitting it can we stop with the silly cosplay arguments?

I've never denied that Dems are big spending commie lovers.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'm not. When Republican legislators go out if their way to protect Confederate idolatry it really gives the game away.




West Virginia Republicans seek to criminalize removal of Confederate statues


Republican lawmakers push forward bill to protect Confederate, other monuments

List of House Republicans Who Voted Against Removing Confederate Statues

/—-/ So? What does that prove? Preserving history is bad?

 

[Curried Goats]

He worked for a Dixiecrat. A Dixiecrat who never became a Republican.
After the Dems became big spending commies, the south turned Republican.

I don't care what their purported reason for voting Republican now is the fact of the matter is that the biological, ideological and cultural children of the Confederates and Dixiecrats are now Republican voters.

 

[Curried Goats]

/—-/ So? What does that prove? Preserving history is bad?

We don't have to fly swastikas and erect statues of Hitler to remember history, do we?

 

[2aguy]

I don't care what their purported reason for voting Republican now is the fact of the matter is that the biological, ideological and cultural children of the Confederates and Dixiecrats are now Republican voters.

No...they are not.......racists stayed in the democrat party....they never left....they just allowed racists of other skin colors, like obama to join the party.....

Louis Farakhan, al sharpton and jeremiah wright are david duke times 3 and they are all democrats, in good standing with the democrat party.....

Louis farakhan is the grand dragon of the black kkk.....and obama and the congressional black caucus honored him with a dinner...

Obama and the congressional black caucus had racist and anti-semite luis farakhan as an honored guest, had al sharpton, racist and anti-semite, to the White House over and over again......and obama attended the church of racist and anti-semite jeremiah wright for 20 years, had that david duke asshole marry him and michelle and baptize their children......

You support an actual racist and anti-semite......your party supports the racists and anti-semites of these 3 david dukes, as well as AOC, Ihan omar and the rest of the squad..