If only Abraham Lincoln had understood and obeyed the Constitution

[gipper]

You see. Once the Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution is what made the secession illegal, the 10th amendment no longer mattered. Because that ONLY comes into play if the Constitution doesn't answer the question if slavery is legal or not.

It did. According to the Supreme Court, which the Constitution says is the law of the land. So unless you revoke the Supreme Courts power (by destroying the Constitution) you are stuck with that.

Look up the definition of treason in the constitution. You will find Lincoln there.

 

[MaryL]

"There would have been no war, no bloodshed, no sacking of towns and cities, no desolation, no billions of treasure expended, on either side, and no millions of lives sacrificed in the unnatural and fratricidal strife; there would have none of the present troubles about restoration, or reconstruction; but, instead of these lamentable scenes, a new spectacle of wonder would have been presented for the guide and instruction of the astonished Nations of the earth, greater than that exhibited after the Nullification pacification, of the matchless workings of our American Institutions of Self-government by the people!"
Alexander Hamilton Stephens, 1868

I can hear the demented, the liberals, and the politically correct progressives lamenting already.....(but we had to free the slaves) forgetting if they ever knew what that yankee --White Sumpremacist Lincoln said regarding that... ... "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

The majority of people back then believed and the more astute and intelligent today, still believe and (those who are knowledegable regarding genetics) understand that Negroes were designed by Nature(Creator) to be slaves; that they were part of a 'degraded caste' meant to serve the rest of humanity...and of course any advanced civilization must have servants(at least until robots are able to assume that role)....a glaring hypocrisy in America today is that we are perfectly o.k. with illegal mexican immigrants being our servants...but our historical servants are too entitled by their supposed victimhood to serve in such roles any longer....mostly democrats that think like that..... also believing in the concept of 'the democrat plantation' as in keep the Negroes on the dole so they will always vote for the democrat.

Most Southerners based the legitamacy of slavery (it had been legal for thousands of years) on the Bible....which from Genesis to Revelation sanctions slavery.

Lincoln's disdain for Negroes was based on his own deep seated dislike of all non-white peoples, whom he typically referred to as 'inferior races'. Lincoln publically and quite often called blacks '*******' aka the infamous n woid(of which only negroes are allowed to use today) and mexicans 'mongrels'. Besides, Lincoln could not use the Bible to justify his beliefs: he was a self-proclaimed atheist and anti-Christian.

Mr. Lincoln's religious views.................
by William Herndon---Mr. Lincoln's best and lifelong friend.
The following letter appeared, in 1870, in the Index, a journal published in Toledo, Ohio.
:

Abraham Lincoln's Religious Views

What If There Was No Civil War?

"The past is never dead. It's not even past." ... Faulkner.

The south were traitors. They were rebels. The very thing America was founded on. Accept they were about protecting slavery, that's the issue that tears at our souls even now. Lincoln didn't like blacks, I think he knew that was a flaw as well as the rest of us. Too bad the secessionists didn't grasp that basic fact.

Slavery was wrong and terrible.

Funny... but nearly every nation abolished it without bloodshed but one. You can thank Dishonest Abe for that.

850k dead Americans, half the nation in ruins, and lead to decades of racial strife. Was it worth it when you consider the federal government could have ended slavery for much less peacefully?

Slavery is not the great evil that liberals would have us believe...other wise the Holy Scriptures would have condemned it.

Every advanced civilization must have 'servants' which is how Southerners referred to their Negroes....The Federal Government in stages took away the nations traditional servant class....the Negroes....and then hypocritically replaced them with illegal mexicans...who come up here(who can begrudge them) to work in conditions of servitude...with no rights...even working for less than the minimum wage...the old system of servitude was better for the Negroes--there were many jobs back then for them ......but now they have an outrageous level of unemployment...especially the younger ones who usually have rap sheets longer than their arms by the time they are passed through High School. That is the kind of results liberal do gooders produce.

Excuse me? I am thinking we have illegal aliens from Mexico rich whites use and excuse, but that's another issue. Or is it? We need to stop excusing exploiting people. Slavery or neoslavery. But if people can get away with anything, that excuses them . Seems to be the common consensus.

 

[gipper]

"There would have been no war, no bloodshed, no sacking of towns and cities, no desolation, no billions of treasure expended, on either side, and no millions of lives sacrificed in the unnatural and fratricidal strife; there would have none of the present troubles about restoration, or reconstruction; but, instead of these lamentable scenes, a new spectacle of wonder would have been presented for the guide and instruction of the astonished Nations of the earth, greater than that exhibited after the Nullification pacification, of the matchless workings of our American Institutions of Self-government by the people!"
Alexander Hamilton Stephens, 1868

I can hear the demented, the liberals, and the politically correct progressives lamenting already.....(but we had to free the slaves) forgetting if they ever knew what that yankee --White Sumpremacist Lincoln said regarding that... ... "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

The majority of people back then believed and the more astute and intelligent today, still believe and (those who are knowledegable regarding genetics) understand that Negroes were designed by Nature(Creator) to be slaves; that they were part of a 'degraded caste' meant to serve the rest of humanity...and of course any advanced civilization must have servants(at least until robots are able to assume that role)....a glaring hypocrisy in America today is that we are perfectly o.k. with illegal mexican immigrants being our servants...but our historical servants are too entitled by their supposed victimhood to serve in such roles any longer....mostly democrats that think like that..... also believing in the concept of 'the democrat plantation' as in keep the Negroes on the dole so they will always vote for the democrat.

Most Southerners based the legitamacy of slavery (it had been legal for thousands of years) on the Bible....which from Genesis to Revelation sanctions slavery.

Lincoln's disdain for Negroes was based on his own deep seated dislike of all non-white peoples, whom he typically referred to as 'inferior races'. Lincoln publically and quite often called blacks '*******' aka the infamous n woid(of which only negroes are allowed to use today) and mexicans 'mongrels'. Besides, Lincoln could not use the Bible to justify his beliefs: he was a self-proclaimed atheist and anti-Christian.

Mr. Lincoln's religious views.................
by William Herndon---Mr. Lincoln's best and lifelong friend.
The following letter appeared, in 1870, in the Index, a journal published in Toledo, Ohio.
:

Abraham Lincoln's Religious Views

What If There Was No Civil War?

"The past is never dead. It's not even past." ... Faulkner.

The south were traitors. They were rebels. The very thing America was founded on. Accept they were about protecting slavery, that's the issue that tears at our souls even now. Lincoln didn't like blacks, I think he knew that was a flaw as well as the rest of us. Too bad the secessionists didn't grasp that basic fact.

Slavery was wrong and terrible.

Funny... but nearly every nation abolished it without bloodshed but one. You can thank Dishonest Abe for that.

850k dead Americans, half the nation in ruins, and lead to decades of racial strife. Was it worth it when you consider the federal government could have ended slavery for much less peacefully?

Slavery is not the great evil that liberals would have us believe...other wise the Holy Scriptures would have condemned it.

Every advanced civilization must have 'servants' which is how Southerners referred to their Negroes....The Federal Government in stages took away the nations traditional servant class....the Negroes....and then hypocritically replaced them with illegal mexicans...who come up here(who can begrudge them) to work in conditions of servitude...with no rights...even working for less than the minimum wage...the old system of servitude was better for the Negroes--there were many jobs back then for them ......but now they have an outrageous level of unemployment...especially the younger ones who usually have rap sheets longer than their arms by the time they are passed through High School. That is the kind of results liberal do gooders produce.

Excuse me? I am thinking we have illegal aliens from Mexico rich whites use and excuse, but that's another issue. Or is it? We need to stop excusing exploiting people. Slavery or neoslavery.

No one excuses slavery.

 

[Slash]

Look up the definition of treason in the constitution. You will find Lincoln there.

There he was actually. When General Lee, a US Citizen in rebellion marched his army on Washington DC and told the president of the USA to surrender himself.

That's treason. Thanks for playing!

 

[Slash]

No one excuses slavery.

There's the occasional scumbat that thinks that slavery is not the great evil that liberals would have us believe

 

[Sundance508]

No one excuses slavery.

There's a lot of people that think that "Slavery is not the great evil that liberals would have us believe"

Certainly not and I presented the evidence that for the most part it was a very humane life for the Negro Servants down South....when they arrived in America(they were truly fortunate)the were little more than savages from the jungles of Africa...certainly not civilized....Plantation life civilized them...taught them to wear clothes etc.etc. and many of them became good Christians under the tutelage of their Mastah............it was quite an idyllic life...especially compared to the horrors of Africa of which they were mercifully spared. Riving to ripe old ages...had excellent food, good clothes and shelter....the mastah took very good care of his servants..because they were exceedingly valuable...it was a peaceful symbiotic relationship...each dependent on the other. That is why so many former slaves spoke of that bygone era with much nostalgia.

 

[gipper]

Look up the definition of treason in the constitution. You will find Lincoln there.

There he was actually. When General Lee, a US Citizen in rebellion marched his army on Washington DC and told the president of the USA to surrender himself.

That's treason. Thanks for playing!

Funny but that never happened.

 

[Slash]

Excuse me? I am thinking we have illegal aliens from Mexico rich whites use and excuse, but that's another issue. Or is it? We need to stop excusing exploiting people. Slavery or neoslavery. But if people can get away with anything, that excuses them . Seems to be the common consensus.

Yeah theres a BIG difference between illegals wanting to come work in the US, and slaves who were property. Those that try to muddle that image... who can't see that owning someone in perpetuity is one of the worst things that can be done to a person are just wrong.

Remind me what happens if an illegal working in the US wants to go home to his family in Mexico. Do we try to catch and mutilate him for that? publicly beat him in front of the others so they can see what happens? Maybe take his children and sell them to another farmer across the state as punishment? nope. He's FREE to leave. That's the difference. If you have that FREEDOM, you can't be a slave.

Next think we will be saying our soldiers are slaves. I mean once signed up they can't leave for years. Their pay is below minimum wage at the start.

 

[MaryL]

Excuse me? I am thinking we have illegal aliens from Mexico rich whites use and excuse, but that's another issue. Or is it? We need to stop excusing exploiting people. Slavery or neoslavery. But if people can get away with anything, that excuses them . Seems to be the common consensus.

Yeah theres a BIG difference between illegals wanting to come work in the US, and slaves who were property. Those that try to muddle that image... who can't see that owning someone in perpetuity is one of the worst things that can be done to a person are just wrong.

Remind me what happens if an illegal working in the US wants to go home to his family in Mexico. Do we try to catch and mutilate him for that? publicly beat him in front of the others so they can see what happens? Maybe take his children and sell them to another farmer across the state as punishment? nope. He's FREE to leave. That's the difference. If you have that FREEDOM, you can't be a slave.

Next think we will be saying our soldiers are slaves. I mean once signed up they can't leave for years. Their pay is below minimum wage at the start.

I am not so sure, Illegals willingly violate immigration laws and people that exploit them use that to lord over them for profit at the expense of local workers. And they cynically pretend this is a humanitarian issue. And this corrupts local communities for the benefit of rich employers that live far away from any of this. That has got to stop.

 

[Sundance508]

Look up the definition of treason in the constitution. You will find Lincoln there.

There he was actually. When General Lee, a US Citizen in rebellion marched his army on Washington DC and told the president of the USA to surrender himself.

That's treason. Thanks for playing!

Funny but that never happened.

The negro servants down south had a very happy life until the yankee do gooders came meddling and all that was then gone with the wind....so sad.

 

[Slash]

Funny but that never happened.

Yup, lets burn that history too huh? Remind me what General Jubal said he told the Union. Hand him over and we won't attack... Of course the USA wasn't going to. But I believe that war that Lee's armies waged against the US came so close to killing our President that a guy standing next to him was hit.

 

[Slash]

I am not so sure, Illegals willingly violate immigration laws and people that exploit them use that to lord over them for profit at the expense of local workers. And they cynically pretend this is a humanitarian issue. And this corrupts local communities for the benefit of rich employers that live far away from any of this. That has got to stop.

I fully agree they aren't treated the best. Better than in their own country, but not great. But to say that that in ANY way is similar to slavery is just a joke.

 

[Slash]

The negro servants down south had a very happy life until the yankee do gooders came meddling and all that was then gone with the wind....so sad.

Wow you are a special kind of broken. Go castrate yourself and let me know what that "very happy life" feels like ok?

Give up on your "it was unconstitutional" revision to history yet?

 

[Sundance508]

Typical Servant quarters down South before the Civil War...........compare that to sleeping under a tree or in a grass hut in Africa.

 

[MaryL]

I am not so sure, Illegals willingly violate immigration laws and people that exploit them use that to lord over them for profit at the expense of local workers. And they cynically pretend this is a humanitarian issue. And this corrupts local communities for the benefit of rich employers that live far away from any of this. That has got to stop.

I fully agree they aren't treated the best. Better than in their own country, but not great. But to say that that in ANY way is similar to slavery is just a joke.

Well, it's the best rationale these rich elitists can do under the circumstances. Please, don't be naive. Why do you think defending open immigration and sanctuary cities has become a "thing"? human rights/ or a cynical ploy to exploit a situation for profit?

 

[Slash]

Typical Servant quarters down South before the Civil War...........compare that to sleeping under a tree or in a grass hut in Africa.

What happened if you left there and walked away? What happened if they sold your wife to someone else and you left to meet her?

Dude. Slavery is evil. get that through your white supremacist brain.

That's why NO ONE is lining up to be a slave. How about this. I've got a really nice guest room. Care to be a slave in perpetuity? Oh wait... nah its kinda shitty.

 

[Slash]

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Well, it's the best rationale these rich elitists can do under the circumstances. Please, don't be naive. Why do you think defending open immigration and sanctuary cities has become a "thing"? human rights/ or a cynical ploy to exploit a situation for profit?

Of course it's for a profit. Everyone gets paid less than what they are worth but enough to keep them coming back. For some that number is less than others.

The funny thing is that the best way to end it would be to put up massive fines on those who hire illegals. But the issue is that Democrats don't want to kick them out, and Republicans don't want to target their voters (the farmers).

But comparing illegal immigration vs. chattell slavery in perpetuity is not anywhere close.

 

[Sundance508]

Typical Servant quarters down South before the Civil War...........compare that to sleeping under a tree or in a grass hut in Africa.

What happened if you left there and walked away? What happened if they sold your wife to someone else and you left to meet her?

Dude. Slavery is evil. get that through your white supremacist brain.

That's why NO ONE is lining up to be a slave. How about this. I've got a really nice guest room. Care to be a slave in perpetuity? Oh wait... nah its kinda shitty.

You have watched too many hollywood movies.....now for a dose of reality.........

"A Very Valuable Man"


Former slave from coastal Georgia making a fishing net, early twentieth century
(Collection of the Georgia Historical Society)





My father was a carpenter and old massa let him have lumber and he made he own furniture out of dressed lumber and make a box to put clothes in. And he used to make spinning wheels and parts of looms. He was a very valuable man.

-- Carey Davenport, former slave from Walker County, Texas
Slaves had many noteworthy skills and talents which made plantations economically self-sufficient. The services of slave blacksmiths, carpenters, coopers, shoemakers, tanners, spinners, weavers and other artisans were all used to keep plantations running smoothly, efficiently, and with little added expense to the owners. These same abilities were also used to improve conditions in the quarters so that slaves developed not only a spirit of self-reliance but experienced a measure of autonomy. These skills, when added to other talents for cooking, quilting, weaving, medicine, music, song, dance, and storytelling, instilled in slaves the sense that, as a group, they were not only competent but gifted. They saw themselves as strong, valuable people that the mastah depended on and indeed he did and it makes no sense to think he would mistreat such valuable property.

Indeed, the Negroes found through their artistry much happiness, particularly by telling tales which portrayed work in humorous terms or when singing songs and dancing at wedding...quite festive on the Plantation when a loyal servant got married.

 

[MaryL]

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Well, it's the best rationale these rich elitists can do under the circumstances. Please, don't be naive. Why do you think defending open immigration and sanctuary cities has become a "thing"? human rights/ or a cynical ploy to exploit a situation for profit?

Of course it's for a profit. Everyone gets paid less than what they are worth but enough to keep them coming back. For some that number is less than others.

The funny thing is that the best way to end it would be to put up massive fines on those who hire illegals. But the issue is that Democrats don't want to kick them out, and Republicans don't want to target their voters (the farmers).

But comparing illegal immigration vs. chattell slavery in perpetuity is not anywhere close.

I agree that we need to scrutinize the roots of our cheap labor, not excuse them . Minimize them or overlook them. As far as chattel goes, isn't that what this all about? We can't have slaves, so we exploit illegals instead because it's all so humanitarian. What would Lincoln say about THAT? Slavery by another name is just as vile.

 

[Slash]

Remind me. How many people in the US are asking to be slaves? 0 you say? Yeah sounds like it was just great.

Oooh Carey Davenport. His stories are written down in the book "Dem Days was Hell".

he said in there "I'd say old master treated us slaves bad"

"I seen 'em beat—O, Lawd, yes. I seen 'em make a man put his head through the crack of the rail fence and then they beat him till he was bloody. They give some of 'em 300 or 400 licks.

"My father told us when freedom come. He'd been a free man, 'cause he was bodyguard to the old, old master and when he died he give my father he freedom. That was over in Richmond, Virginia. But young master steal him into slavery again. So he was glad when freedom come and he was free again. "

Yeah, this is the guy you are quoting for how good slavery was. SMH