If The Legal System Fails Us and Trump Goes To Prison

[Marener]

That is utter B.S we want actual votes to count!

What you consider an "actual vote" depends a lot on who they voted for.

 

[schmidlap]

He won't go to jail. All this silly crap gets thrown out on the junk heap where it belongs

With all the Republicans eager to testify against Trump, and the mountain of evidence against him, I am confident that disinterested juries of his peers will deliver justice.

I hope they and their families are protected against the threats that governors, secretaries of state, attorney generals, judges, special counsels, law enforce agents, poll workers, and other decent Americans have been subjected to for their fairness and impartiality that did not comport with the Loser's agenda.

 

[Frankenstein]

Who are you talking about?

Judges, especially SCOTUS

 

[Marener]

Judges, especially SCOTUS

They don't have the ability to do anything of the sort.

 

[Frankenstein]

What you consider an "actual vote" depends a lot on who they voted for.

Nope not at all! Mail in unverified signature ballots should have never been counted ans they were fake

 

[Marener]

Nope not at all! Mail in unverified signature ballots should have never been counted ans they were fake

They were verified.

 

[Frankenstein]

They don't have the ability to do anything of the sort.

The case was never heard.

They were verified.

The signatures were not.

 

[Marener]

The case was never heard.

What case?

The signatures were not.

They were and it failed to show any fraud.

Audit of Georgia absentee ballot signatures finds no fraud, secretary of state reports

Investigators who audited the signatures on more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in one Georgia county found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” according to the audit report. Secre…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[Frankenstein]

What case?

They were and it failed to show any fraud.

Audit of Georgia absentee ballot signatures finds no fraud, secretary of state reports

Investigators who audited the signatures on more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in one Georgia county found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” according to the audit report. Secre…

www.chicagotribune.com

Thee were no witness verifications on them

 

[Marener]

Thee were no witness verifications on them

There’s no witness verification in a lot of states like Florida.

This is only an issue because Dems won with mail in ballots. That’s why I’m right when I say your opinion on what’s valid has a lot to do with who they vote for.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If you don't realize that our republic is a democratic one, you require a spot of remedial tutelage, Old Cock.

Orphans Choosing Who Will Adopt Them Is Not an Adult Democracy

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What you consider an "actual vote" depends a lot on who they voted for.

The Electorate Itself Is the Fraud

The citizens of a free country should determine through referendums who else can vote and which foreigners can come here and become voters. The Sick Sixties' Civil Rights for the Uncivilized and the "Come One, Come All" Immigration Act were passed against the will of the majority at the time, which treason by the self-appointed rulers can only happen in a republic. Elected representation is not a form of democracy.

The wannabe House of Lords that imposed the elitist Constitution on us took away our self-determination. The vultures have come home to roost.

 

[schmidlap]

The Electorate Itself Is the Fraud

The citizens of a free country should determine through referendums who else can vote and which foreigners can come here and become voters. The Sick Sixties' Civil Rights for the Uncivilized and the "Come One, Come All" Immigration Act were passed against the will of the majority at the time, which treason by the self-appointed rulers can only happen in a republic. Elected representation is not a form of democracy.

The wannabe House of Lords that imposed the elitist Constitution on us took away our self-determination. The vultures have come home to roost.

If you are alienated from America's representative democracy, you have many alternative systems of governance from which to choose.

 

[Frankenstein]

There’s no witness verification in a lot of states like Florida.

This is only an issue because Dems won with mail in ballots. That’s why I’m right when I say your opinion on what’s valid has a lot to do with who they vote for.

Mail in ballots with no witness verification, you guys screwed the pooch when youi gave him 81 million votes nobody believes he got that many

 

[Marener]

Mail in ballots with no witness verification, you guys screwed the pooch when youi gave him 81 million votes nobody believes he got that many

Do you think what you believe is evidence of fraud?

What you believe has a lot to do with what you want to be true. Not very much to do with what actually happened.

 

[OldFlame]

Well, I really can’t help that. It is, I admit, not only because I think Trump and Trumpism are now genuine threats to our democratic culture, our republic and the rule of law.

I am a “social democrat” and an “internationalist,” yet an American born patriot. I try to think how men like Thomas Paine or George Orwell would react if they lived in our our day, and act accordingly.

I was in my younger years an idealist “revolutionary,” a socialist, an anti-imperialist who opposed the Vietnam War and the Hubert Humphreys and LBJs who supported it and many similar U.S. foreign policy blunders. I even earned a fat COINTELPRO file from the FBI for my activism.

I became a blue collar worker active in a thoroughly integrated union. I worked with people of many backgrounds, and after retirement made an effort to travel widely abroad. I’m nevertheless traditional and conservative about many things, and am still open to change.

So I was in a broad sense “a man of the left.” Voting for Conservative Republicans in my youth never really appealed to me because back then they seemed to be a party of the wealthy and the worst warmongers too. I’ve changed quite a bit since then. Today I certainly respect honest Republicans who show personal integrity, and have a few friends, good guys, who almost always vote Republican and voted twice for Trump too. One has had it with Trump, or so he says.

I find much of American “identity politics” wrongheaded, though racial and ethnic forms of it have always been present and powerful in our country. Some of the new faddish gender-bending politics I find ridiculous. But I am for integration and tolerance, and I despise crude racists and bigots.

I don’t feel it necessary to apologize for Democrats because I’m not one of them. I used to criticize them severely, and very rarely voted for their national candidates. For example, I didn’t vote for Hillary even in then-contested Florida, even though I already knew all about (and despised) Trump, since I grew up in NYC and am close to him in age. Locally I now just look for qualified candidates of either party, and would support a Republican if they seemed the most competent … and were not “Trump Party” assholes.

Explain why you think that, and what the path would be to overturn our almost 250 year COTUS. You apparently don't understand that most of the people who are Trump supporters are tired of the corruption and want the COTUS to be protected and maintained, not destroyed?

 

[OldFlame]

Old Flame needs to calm down

Hit a nerve, did I? So how do you corrupt all of your prior beliefs to become an authoritarian?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Explain why you think that, and what the path would be to overturn our almost 250 year COTUS. You apparently don't understand that most of the people who are Trump supporters are tired of the corruption and want the COTUS to be protected and maintained, not destroyed?

In all our history, only the lame duck demagogue President Donald Trump dared to suggest “the termination of all rules ... even those found in the Constitution” to keep himself in power and overturn the results of an election. He also has consistently shown he and his cult followers remain a serious authoritarian danger to this 250+ year old Republic.

I am tired of “corruption” too, but electing Trump or bringing about chaos and a Constitutional crisis or coup so Trump and his lackeys can seize power … will only guarantee that corruption spreads and even rule of law is destroyed or further undermined.

If you want to know more about my views, just skim through my many comments on these and related questions.

 

[OldFlame]

In all our history, only the lame duck demagogue President Donald Trump dared to suggest “the termination of all rules ... even those found in the Constitution” to keep himself in power and overturn the results of an election. He also has consistently shown he and his cult followers remain a serious authoritarian danger to this 250+ year old Republic.

I am tired of “corruption” too, but electing Trump or bringing about chaos and a Constitutional crisis or coup so Trump and his lackeys can seize power … will only guarantee that corruption spreads and even rule of law is destroyed or further undermined.

If you want to know more about my views, just skim through my many comments on these and related questions.

He said that in regard to massive voter fraud, which if found to be true should negate electoral votes in those areas and a revote of some kind, not that they don't get counted. If you seriously think that anyone would get away with just throwing out an election because of massive fraud and claiming that they'll just continue to hold office, well that's just laughable on its face. It would never happen. And most of the people that support Trump would never back that to begin with. That has a far more likely chance of happening with a dem in office since they control the 'media' that you apparently consume every day. You clearly have bought the media hype about Trump supporters hook, line, and sinker, especially given that you call them a 'cult'. And how are they a 'threat'? That they expect our government to be for the people, not a corrupt bunch of elitist assholes acquiring wealth through their office and selling our country to the highest bidder? The fact that you're more concerned about an imaginary cult, and not the corruption that is taking place right before your eyes just illustrates how truly blinded you are. If it were the Trump admin/DOJ leveling charges against their chief opponent in the 2024 election, you'd be screaming election interference and accusing him of being an 'authoritarian danger to our republic', but when Biden and his DOJ does it, it's just fine, no threat at all to the rule of law and our tradition of free and fair elections. When you stop turning a blind eye to the corruption in the D party and the very real threats they impose on our country, then you might have an opinion worth reading.