If The Senate shuts this down....

[jc456]

The only one we know for sure is guilty as sin is Joe Biden because he admitted to his crime on videotape in front of the CFR.

Great. Where’s the charges?

He is not in office, therefore not subject to impeachment, dumbass! If he wins and the House goes Republican, just stand-by. The impeachment vote will be taken a few minutes after he gets sworn in.

I thought you said he committed a crime. Where are the criminal charges?

it's under investigation, espionage. ever hear of that?
New Book Details How Five Members of Joe Biden's Family Cashed in on His Political Connections

The book, titled Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite, lays out how Biden’s veep status helped “the Biden Five”—his reprobate son Hunter Biden, brothers James Biden and Frank Biden, son-in-law Howard Krein, and sister Valerie Biden Owens—cash in.

You just invented the existence of an investigation.

Stop making things up.

Lindsey Graham Gives Trump the Biden Investigation He's Been Begging for

 

[colfax_m]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

 

[jc456]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

ever hear of executive privilege? That's within his constitutional powers. so still trying to figure out how he's done either. Waiting on you. name it.

 

[colfax_m]

Great. Where’s the charges?

He is not in office, therefore not subject to impeachment, dumbass! If he wins and the House goes Republican, just stand-by. The impeachment vote will be taken a few minutes after he gets sworn in.

I thought you said he committed a crime. Where are the criminal charges?

it's under investigation, espionage. ever hear of that?
New Book Details How Five Members of Joe Biden's Family Cashed in on His Political Connections

The book, titled Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite, lays out how Biden’s veep status helped “the Biden Five”—his reprobate son Hunter Biden, brothers James Biden and Frank Biden, son-in-law Howard Krein, and sister Valerie Biden Owens—cash in.

You just invented the existence of an investigation.

Stop making things up.

Lindsey Graham Gives Trump the Biden Investigation He's Been Begging for

Cute. Lindsey is such a weasel. I thought you were talking about a criminal investigation, not a partisan shot show.

 

[jc456]

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

that's why we have courts. the demofks next move must have been taking it to a judge. they didn't. that's not on trump. still batting .000

 

[colfax_m]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

ever hear of executive privilege? That's within his constitutional powers. so still trying to figure out how he's done either. Waiting on you. name it.

Executive privilege isn’t in the constitution. He hasn’t claimed executive privilege.

 

[jc456]

The only one we know for sure is guilty as sin is Joe Biden because he admitted to his crime on videotape in front of the CFR.

Great. Where’s the charges?

He is not in office, therefore not subject to impeachment, dumbass! If he wins and the House goes Republican, just stand-by. The impeachment vote will be taken a few minutes after he gets sworn in.

I thought you said he committed a crime. Where are the criminal charges?

it's under investigation, espionage. ever hear of that?
New Book Details How Five Members of Joe Biden's Family Cashed in on His Political Connections

The book, titled Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite, lays out how Biden’s veep status helped “the Biden Five”—his reprobate son Hunter Biden, brothers James Biden and Frank Biden, son-in-law Howard Krein, and sister Valerie Biden Owens—cash in.

You just invented the existence of an investigation.

Stop making things up.

how did that book get written then?

 

[colfax_m]

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

that's why we have courts. the demofks next move must have been taking it to a judge. they didn't. that's not on trump. still batting .000

Where is that written as a rule?

 

[jc456]

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

ever hear of executive privilege? That's within his constitutional powers. so still trying to figure out how he's done either. Waiting on you. name it.

Executive privilege isn’t in the constitution. He hasn’t claimed executive privilege.

have you looked it up? come on dude, look something up before you post.

President Trump Invoked Executive Privilege. Here's the History of That Presidential Power

The term “executive privilege” is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it’s considered an implied power based on the separation of powers laid out in Article II, which is meant to make sure one branch of government doesn’t become all-powerful; executive privilege is one way the legislative branch’s power over the executive is limited. For example, when Congress investigated George W. Bush’s firing of eight U.S. Attorneys in 2006

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

No, he doesn't, only when it goes to court.

 

[colfax_m]

Great. Where’s the charges?

He is not in office, therefore not subject to impeachment, dumbass! If he wins and the House goes Republican, just stand-by. The impeachment vote will be taken a few minutes after he gets sworn in.

I thought you said he committed a crime. Where are the criminal charges?

it's under investigation, espionage. ever hear of that?
New Book Details How Five Members of Joe Biden's Family Cashed in on His Political Connections

The book, titled Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite, lays out how Biden’s veep status helped “the Biden Five”—his reprobate son Hunter Biden, brothers James Biden and Frank Biden, son-in-law Howard Krein, and sister Valerie Biden Owens—cash in.

You just invented the existence of an investigation.

Stop making things up.

how did that book get written then?

Exaggeration. Taking things out of context. Lying. Same story as every other Republican smear job.

 

[colfax_m]

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

ever hear of executive privilege? That's within his constitutional powers. so still trying to figure out how he's done either. Waiting on you. name it.

Executive privilege isn’t in the constitution. He hasn’t claimed executive privilege.

have you looked it up? come on dude, look something up before you post.

President Trump Invoked Executive Privilege. Here's the History of That Presidential Power

The term “executive privilege” is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it’s considered an implied power based on the separation of powers laid out in Article II, which is meant to make sure one branch of government doesn’t become all-powerful; executive privilege is one way the legislative branch’s power over the executive is limited. For example, when Congress investigated George W. Bush’s firing of eight U.S. Attorneys in2006

We are talking about the Ukraine aid investigation, not the Census. Your link is irrelevant.

 

[colfax_m]

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

No, he doesn't, only when it goes to court.

If he wants to claim executive privilege, that’s how it’s done. He isn’t. Because he knows he’ll lose.

 

[jc456]

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

that's why we have courts. the demofks next move must have been taking it to a judge. they didn't. that's not on trump. still batting .000

Where is that written as a rule?

How To Vanish

How To Get Out Of A Subpoena - What to do if you get a subpoena.
Step 1.
Take the paper and close your door or walk away. Don't say anything to the person giving it to you, don't invite them in, don't read it in front of them, don't buy them a beer. Just take it and get to a phone.

Step 2.
Call your lawyer. You can challenge a subpoena in court before you have to produce anything. If its too broad or burdensome to comply with or if it seeks privileged material then you may be able to limit the scope of what you have to produce and you may even be able to quash it completely.

You can even challenge a subpoena received by a third party if any of your own records would be disclose and, assuming you know about the subpoena in time to challenge it. A lawyer can also help make sure you limit the documents you produce to the bare essentials.

 

[jc456]

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

ever hear of executive privilege? That's within his constitutional powers. so still trying to figure out how he's done either. Waiting on you. name it.

Executive privilege isn’t in the constitution. He hasn’t claimed executive privilege.

have you looked it up? come on dude, look something up before you post.

President Trump Invoked Executive Privilege. Here's the History of That Presidential Power

The term “executive privilege” is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it’s considered an implied power based on the separation of powers laid out in Article II, which is meant to make sure one branch of government doesn’t become all-powerful; executive privilege is one way the legislative branch’s power over the executive is limited. For example, when Congress investigated George W. Bush’s firing of eight U.S. Attorneys in2006

We are talking about the Ukraine aid investigation, not the Census. Your link is irrelevant.

no, we were talking about executive privilege, thanks for showing how ignorant you remain.

 

[jc456]

He is not in office, therefore not subject to impeachment, dumbass! If he wins and the House goes Republican, just stand-by. The impeachment vote will be taken a few minutes after he gets sworn in.

I thought you said he committed a crime. Where are the criminal charges?

it's under investigation, espionage. ever hear of that?
New Book Details How Five Members of Joe Biden's Family Cashed in on His Political Connections

The book, titled Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite, lays out how Biden’s veep status helped “the Biden Five”—his reprobate son Hunter Biden, brothers James Biden and Frank Biden, son-in-law Howard Krein, and sister Valerie Biden Owens—cash in.

You just invented the existence of an investigation.

Stop making things up.

how did that book get written then?

Exaggeration. Taking things out of context. Lying. Same story as every other Republican smear job.

that isn't in the articles. you have to have an 'other', to high crimes and misdemeanors. Abuse of power is not a crime. just isn't. post the statute of the law then.

 

[jc456]

yep, and the next move was to go to the courts and challenge it. Why didn't they? hmmmmmmm

It’s a good question. The next move would have been for Trump’s lawyers to give reason they’re ignoring Congress. They didn’t. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

A President doesn't have to give a reason why he''s using executive privilege. It wouldn't make a difference to the commies anyhow. The only people the President has to give reasons to are the court when challenged.

Incorrect. Claims ofexecutive privilege are accompanied by opinions from the OLC stating their justification for refusal to comply.

No, he doesn't, only when it goes to court.

If he wants to claim executive privilege, that’s how it’s done. He isn’t. Because he knows he’ll lose.

correct, they challenged the subpoenas. and I gave you that rule as well. They had to go to court to get them to comply. that was it. they didn't. they can't then claim obstruction of congress for failing a challenged subpoena which is allowed by our law.

 

[Rye Catcher]

So far no convincing post has been presented by the supporters of trump. I suppose the theory of their defense is that everyone but they and trump are liars. The irony which they will never admit, and likely can't even comprehend, is that lying to mislead the public is daily ritual coming from the White House and the words of The President at rallies, pressers and in tweets.

see my last post #272.

???

 

[Rye Catcher]

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

Link?

LINK? Try reality!

 

[jc456]

They did call these people who refused to testify. Probably because Trump is guilty as sin.

Link?

LINK? Try reality!

so no link. they were subpoenaed and were challenged. get the story straight at least. Bolten never was.