If we are in the middle of a pandemic, why are hospitals laying off

Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
Thank God.
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again
Same here. We have two hospitals in our county. The one that didn't opt to join a consortium of healthcare providers is now in bankruptcy proceedings and they just announced lay offs, as well. They already closed their OBG unit last year. I don't understand what is really going on, but it's truly serious. We have a county larger than Rhode Island.

There is nothing "fake" about what has happened to the hospitals in the past two months. They spent gazillions preparing for an overload of patients, made more ICU beds, bought respirators, extra PPE. And they cancelled all their elective procedures and anything that could wait. People helped that along by staying away from doctors' offices, afraid they'd catch the Virus. The only good news is that the Governor is allowing elective procedures in the hospitals starting May 1. That MAY help a little, but if I were holding off on elective surgery, I'd think twice about rushing in to have it performed now. Might still wait a bit.
Now what do you do in a real emergency?

Die perhaps

No one cares
 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me where I'm wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
God was not involved trillions of stock dollars changed hands
 

What do you know about what measures the people of Tokyo have or haven't taken?

I'm gonna guess.............nothing.

Read first. Then tweet.


 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?

I now have to "show you wrong"?

Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit.
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

I'm confused why you called this fake news. What is fake about it?

So there are a bunch of different reasons that are likely the cause of this.

First, as others pointed out, not every nurse and doctor, are interchangeable. The simplest of examples, would be a nurse and doctor in the plastic surgery ward, is not likely going to be useful to help a Covid patient.

The like needing an engineer to design some software, and having a structural engineer show up. Engineers are not interchangeable. You need a software engineer, not just any engineer, to design software.

Second, you need to grasp that socialism sucks. One of the ways that socialism sucks is that hospitals are broke, because they are dependent on government, and government is broke. This is why Medicare for all is so laughable, when Medicare is one of the damaging aspects to hospitals.

Now the reason hospitals have not all gone bankrupt under government run health care, is because of electives. Electives paid for by patients, keeps hospitals from going under because of Medicare.

The problem here is, government shut down electives. Denying that critical source of revenue, has results in hospitals with only government-patients, to be in dire financial problems.
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
God was not involved trillions of stock dollars changed hands

What does that have to do with anything?
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

I'm confused why you called this fake news. What is fake about it?

So there are a bunch of different reasons that are likely the cause of this.

First, as others pointed out, not every nurse and doctor, are interchangeable. The simplest of examples, would be a nurse and doctor in the plastic surgery ward, is not likely going to be useful to help a Covid patient.

The like needing an engineer to design some software, and having a structural engineer show up. Engineers are not interchangeable. You need a software engineer, not just any engineer, to design software.

Second, you need to grasp that socialism sucks. One of the ways that socialism sucks is that hospitals are broke, because they are dependent on government, and government is broke. This is why Medicare for all is so laughable, when Medicare is one of the damaging aspects to hospitals.

Now the reason hospitals have not all gone bankrupt under government run health care, is because of electives. Electives paid for by patients, keeps hospitals from going under because of Medicare.

The problem here is, government shut down electives. Denying that critical source of revenue, has results in hospitals with only government-patients, to be in dire financial problems.
Just explain why no one was under lockdown in 2018 when 80000 americans died of the flu

No one cared, why start
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
God was not involved trillions of stock dollars changed hands

What does that have to do with anything?
Lol you still believe in the tooth fairy
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
God was not involved trillions of stock dollars changed hands

What does that have to do with anything?
Lol you still believe in the tooth fairy

I also believe in talking to adults, rather than wasting my time with children.

Do you have anything else even remotely interesting to say? Or can I move on?
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

I'm confused why you called this fake news. What is fake about it?

So there are a bunch of different reasons that are likely the cause of this.

First, as others pointed out, not every nurse and doctor, are interchangeable. The simplest of examples, would be a nurse and doctor in the plastic surgery ward, is not likely going to be useful to help a Covid patient.

The like needing an engineer to design some software, and having a structural engineer show up. Engineers are not interchangeable. You need a software engineer, not just any engineer, to design software.

Second, you need to grasp that socialism sucks. One of the ways that socialism sucks is that hospitals are broke, because they are dependent on government, and government is broke. This is why Medicare for all is so laughable, when Medicare is one of the damaging aspects to hospitals.

Now the reason hospitals have not all gone bankrupt under government run health care, is because of electives. Electives paid for by patients, keeps hospitals from going under because of Medicare.

The problem here is, government shut down electives. Denying that critical source of revenue, has results in hospitals with only government-patients, to be in dire financial problems.
Just explain why no one was under lockdown in 2018 when 80000 americans died of the flu

No one cared, why start

What does that have to do with anything?

Is that your whole point, that we shouldn't be in lockdown? I am sympathetic to that argument. Sweden never had a lockdown. They strongly encouraged people to avoid going anywhere if they felt even remotely ill, but never had a lock down.

You sure went about this discussion in a incoherent manor if this is your main point.
 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?

I now have to "show you wrong"?

Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit.

You've not shown anything. Support your allegation or, like most progressives, just slink away.
 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?

I now have to "show you wrong"?

Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit.

You've not shown anything. Support your allegation or, like most progressives, just slink away.

Why would I do your work for you? You made the claim. You were wrong. Just accept it.
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

Health systems have reduced elective procedures and visits in order to reduce the amount of person to person contact and preserve PPE which is in short supply. Those procedures and visits generated a lot of revenue and results in large deficits. The people will most likely be rehired when this returns to normal.
And there are not enough covid patients to use the staff

Yawn
God was not involved trillions of stock dollars changed hands

What does that have to do with anything?
Lol you still believe in the tooth fairy

I also believe in talking to adults, rather than wasting my time with children.

Do you have anything else even remotely interesting to say? Or can I move on?
Was it an adult who claimed that 2.2 million will die or was that you
 
Doctors and nurses?


The fake news strikes again

I'm confused why you called this fake news. What is fake about it?

So there are a bunch of different reasons that are likely the cause of this.

First, as others pointed out, not every nurse and doctor, are interchangeable. The simplest of examples, would be a nurse and doctor in the plastic surgery ward, is not likely going to be useful to help a Covid patient.

The like needing an engineer to design some software, and having a structural engineer show up. Engineers are not interchangeable. You need a software engineer, not just any engineer, to design software.

Second, you need to grasp that socialism sucks. One of the ways that socialism sucks is that hospitals are broke, because they are dependent on government, and government is broke. This is why Medicare for all is so laughable, when Medicare is one of the damaging aspects to hospitals.

Now the reason hospitals have not all gone bankrupt under government run health care, is because of electives. Electives paid for by patients, keeps hospitals from going under because of Medicare.

The problem here is, government shut down electives. Denying that critical source of revenue, has results in hospitals with only government-patients, to be in dire financial problems.
Just explain why no one was under lockdown in 2018 when 80000 americans died of the flu

No one cared, why start

What does that have to do with anything?

Is that your whole point, that we shouldn't be in lockdown? I am sympathetic to that argument. Sweden never had a lockdown. They strongly encouraged people to avoid going anywhere if they felt even remotely ill, but never had a lock down.

You sure went about this discussion in a incoherent manor if this is your main point.
And hospitals are going bankrupt

Great news right

NY needs 40000 ventilators and a hospital ship and tents in the park

Lol all empty twitty
 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?

I now have to "show you wrong"?

Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit.

You've not shown anything. Support your allegation or, like most progressives, just slink away.

Why would I do your work for you? You made the claim. You were wrong. Just accept it.

Thanks for rising to the bait.

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
Brief Analyses | Health
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:
  • Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
  • Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
  • More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
  • Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

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Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
 
For profit health care is fucked up. Just like you.

What country develops more new life-extending and life-saving drugs, new medical procedures, and technology than the FOR-PROFIT healthcare system in the United States? For that matter, combine several countries.

You have no idea what you speak of. You heard that somewhere and believed it. Now you repeat it. That is what dummies do.

Then show me wrong.

As the CEO of any sort of medical development company, drugs, technology, or whatever. Why would you direct your company to spend billions of dollars to develop something new, something life-extending or life-saving if you were not going to foresee a profit down the road?

I now have to "show you wrong"?

Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit.

You've not shown anything. Support your allegation or, like most progressives, just slink away.

Why would I do your work for you? You made the claim. You were wrong. Just accept it.

Thanks for rising to the bait.

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
Brief Analyses | Health
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:
  • Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
  • Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
  • More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
  • Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Top10medicaladvances-S.jpg


Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care

That is a bunch of BS written by a RW flunky. Try harder. It is also 11 years old.
 
Why would I do your work for you? You made the claim. You were wrong. Just accept it.

You made this statement with nothing to support your allegations.

"Most medical research has traditionally been funded by tax dollars as it rarely provides short term ROI. We've moved away from that in THIS NATION in
recent years....and more investment has come from the private sector here. Most of that is funded by MULTINATIONALS and the
"we are #1" idea that you suggest is horseshit. "

So please, step up and show us the reliable source and working link proving your credibility.

Thank you, thank you so much.
 

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