In America is it easier for you if you are white?

[Cossack1483]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

It's wrong. But it should only a legal matter if the government is involved - only police or public schools from your list of examples.

So hospitals should be able to discriminate against minorities? How absolutely disturbing there are "Americans" that still think this way.

Not disturbing at all. European American Hospitals are only the start. Privatize to avoid the groid. Once societies are privatized the "White Man's burden" has ended.

 

[OldLady]

Anti white discrimination?




Is that kind of like the tooth fairy?

Current members of the United States Senate - Wikipedia
Pretty dumb to pretend that it's impossible to discriminate against white people.

Current members of the United States Senate - Wikipedia
Pretty hard to deny that white folks still run the country, though. Pics of the 100 members of the senate. Scroll down through their pics.
I saw one black guy and one asian woman.
There are quite a few females now (YAY!) but they're all white, too.
Whites still hold the power in the grand scheme of things.

You think the Senate is better depending on what color/gender the senators are?

I think who is put forward as a leader and who we vote for is an indication of who the majority of us consider to be "leaders." The rule makers. The ones who are in charge.
I think more diversity would be helpful. Minorities bring a different perspective to policy making that a bunch of white guys might not have thought of. Of course, having more women as senators is awesome because women as a rule have a lot of sense.

Minorities bring a different perspective? Are you saying it is OK, then, to make assumptions about people's views based on their race?

You are trying to make it impossible to have a discussion about this by posing questions that do nothing but shut down other people's views.

 

[Aries]

Pretty dumb to pretend that it's impossible to discriminate against white people.

It's not impossible. It just doesn't happen in America on a systemic level.

Give an example of this systemic racism you see everywhere.

So, Aries claims there is systemic racism in the US, but can't provide any examples.

Our justice system is the first glaring example that comes to mind.

Well, I'll agree rich people get "better" justice than poor people. They can afford better lawyers, after all. But we are looking for examples of racism.

Our justice system has been used to control black bodies since they started getting shipped here a slaves.
The economic inequality that effects minorities directly links them with not getting proper legal representation. Poor people are more heavily policed so they are at higher risk for harassment, police brutality, and arrest.
Minority people get arrested in higher numbers and serve higher sentences than their white counterparts for the same crime.

 

[PredFan]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

No, but it's not as simple as that. It's harder for poor blacks because they grow up with self inflicted handicaps.

Blacks who grow up in middle and upper class families have no trouble at all and likely have advantages that whites will never have.

 

[cnelsen]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

Being in the majority is always easier regardless of race, religion or anything else.

That's not true. I used to live in China, and I got along fine.

 

[Cossack1483]

What's difficult here? Self segregation saves civilization.

 

[Aries]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

No, but it's not as simple as that. It's harder for poor blacks because they grow up with self inflicted handicaps.

Blacks who grow up in middle and upper class families have no trouble at all and likely have advantages that whites will never have.

Poverty is usually not self inflicted... people don't choose to be born poor and in today's day and age it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out of poverty.

 

[cnelsen]

systemic racism against non whites is a myth

So you claim it never existed or what year do you believe it ended?

You used the present tense. There is systemic racism in America. He challenged you. Don't try to shift your claim to the past.

He said it's a myth the next logical question is "uhh since when?"

In my lifetime.

What year

Fuck that. Give me one example of it happening right now.

 

[PredFan]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

No, but it's not as simple as that. It's harder for poor blacks because they grow up with self inflicted handicaps.

Blacks who grow up in middle and upper class families have no trouble at all and likely have advantages that whites will never have.

Poverty is usually not self inflicted... people don't choose to be born poor and in today's day and age it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out of poverty.

Poverty is most often self inflicted. When there are programs available to help and you don't participate because your culture prohibits it, or you get pregnant at age 15 and have 3 or 4 kids before you are even old enough to drink.

 

[Divine Wind]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

Being in the majority is always easier regardless of race, religion or anything else.

That's not true. I used to live in China, and I got along fine.

Were you a good Communist? Not a member of Falun Gong? Never spoke out against the government or communism?

 

[Aries]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

It's wrong. But it should only a legal matter if the government is involved - only police or public schools from your list of examples.

So hospitals should be able to discriminate against minorities? How absolutely disturbing there are "Americans" that still think this way.

Not disturbing at all. European American Hospitals are only the start. Privatize to avoid the groid. Once societies are privatized the "White Man's burden" has ended.

If you do not believe in American values like equality you're free to get the fuck out.

 

[Aries]

So you claim it never existed or what year do you believe it ended?

You used the present tense. There is systemic racism in America. He challenged you. Don't try to shift your claim to the past.

He said it's a myth the next logical question is "uhh since when?"

In my lifetime.

What year

Fuck that. Give me one example of it happening right now.

I'm not answering your questions if you're not answering mine lol you waste of space

 

[cnelsen]

Current members of the United States Senate - Wikipedia
Pretty dumb to pretend that it's impossible to discriminate against white people.

Current members of the United States Senate - Wikipedia
Pretty hard to deny that white folks still run the country, though. Pics of the 100 members of the senate. Scroll down through their pics.
I saw one black guy and one asian woman.
There are quite a few females now (YAY!) but they're all white, too.
Whites still hold the power in the grand scheme of things.

You think the Senate is better depending on what color/gender the senators are?

I think who is put forward as a leader and who we vote for is an indication of who the majority of us consider to be "leaders." The rule makers. The ones who are in charge.
I think more diversity would be helpful. Minorities bring a different perspective to policy making that a bunch of white guys might not have thought of. Of course, having more women as senators is awesome because women as a rule have a lot of sense.

Minorities bring a different perspective? Are you saying it is OK, then, to make assumptions about people's views based on their race?

You are trying to make it impossible to have a discussion about this by posing questions that do nothing but shut down other people's views.

Another way to look at that is that I exposed a flaw in your presuppositions. Which is a great benefit to you. As you know, the argument that "diversity" is good because it "brings different perspectives" is everywhere. It governs corporate America, the government, academia, and so much else. Not only is it just plain wrong (making it a bad predicate for public policy), but it is exceedingly dangerous. So, of course, I am going to object when I see it on this board. If a question feels like it "shuts down debate" that just means you don't have an answer for it, to illuminate which I posed the question in the first place.

 

[Aries]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

No, but it's not as simple as that. It's harder for poor blacks because they grow up with self inflicted handicaps.

Blacks who grow up in middle and upper class families have no trouble at all and likely have advantages that whites will never have.

Poverty is usually not self inflicted... people don't choose to be born poor and in today's day and age it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out of poverty.

Poverty is most often self inflicted. When there are programs available to help and you don't participate because your culture prohibits it, or you get pregnant at age 15 and have 3 or 4 kids before you are even old enough to drink.

In my city I work with our impoverished populations. There are many reasons that's cause poverty and way too many Americans are one financial disaster away from poverty. Implying it is all, or even mostly self inflicted is ignorant to the issues faced in our inner cities.

 

[Aries]

Current members of the United States Senate - Wikipedia
Pretty hard to deny that white folks still run the country, though. Pics of the 100 members of the senate. Scroll down through their pics.
I saw one black guy and one asian woman.
There are quite a few females now (YAY!) but they're all white, too.
Whites still hold the power in the grand scheme of things.

You think the Senate is better depending on what color/gender the senators are?

I think who is put forward as a leader and who we vote for is an indication of who the majority of us consider to be "leaders." The rule makers. The ones who are in charge.
I think more diversity would be helpful. Minorities bring a different perspective to policy making that a bunch of white guys might not have thought of. Of course, having more women as senators is awesome because women as a rule have a lot of sense.

Minorities bring a different perspective? Are you saying it is OK, then, to make assumptions about people's views based on their race?

You are trying to make it impossible to have a discussion about this by posing questions that do nothing but shut down other people's views.

Another way to look at that is that I exposed a flaw in your presuppositions. Which is a great benefit to you. As you know, the argument that "diversity" is good because it "brings different perspectives" is everywhere. It governs corporate America, the government, academia, and so much else. Not only is it just plain wrong (making it a bad predicate for public policy), but it is exceedingly dangerous. So, of course, I am going to object when I see it on this board. If a question feels like it "shuts down debate" that just means you don't have an answer for it, to illuminate which I posed the question in the first place.

No. You slime away from your claims that you can't defend and are unable to participate in a logical back and forth discussion.

 

[Divine Wind]

Like with police or authorities, or in clubs, or to get a job, in school, in hospital etc. Or this is wrong?

No, but it's not as simple as that. It's harder for poor blacks because they grow up with self inflicted handicaps.

Blacks who grow up in middle and upper class families have no trouble at all and likely have advantages that whites will never have.

Poverty is usually not self inflicted... people don't choose to be born poor and in today's day and age it's nearly impossible to pull yourself out of poverty.

Poverty is most often self inflicted. When there are programs available to help and you don't participate because your culture prohibits it, or you get pregnant at age 15 and have 3 or 4 kids before you are even old enough to drink.

In my city I work with our impoverished populations. There are many reasons that's cause poverty and way too many Americans are one financial disaster away from poverty. Implying it is all, or even mostly self inflicted is ignorant to the issues faced in our inner cities.

While I agree with you on the multiple causes of poverty and that many families are one financial disaster away from poverty, I also think there were those who are being enabled to stay poor instead of actually being helped out of their poverty.

 

[cnelsen]

It's not impossible. It just doesn't happen in America on a systemic level.

Give an example of this systemic racism you see everywhere.

So, Aries claims there is systemic racism in the US, but can't provide any examples.

Our justice system is the first glaring example that comes to mind.

Well, I'll agree rich people get "better" justice than poor people. They can afford better lawyers, after all. But we are looking for examples of racism.

Our justice system has been used to control black bodies since they started getting shipped here a slaves.
The economic inequality that effects minorities directly links them with not getting proper legal representation. Poor people are more heavily policed so they are at higher risk for harassment, police brutality, and arrest.
Minority people get arrested in higher numbers and serve higher sentences than their white counterparts for the same crime.

You are wrong across the board. Race is not the determinant of good legal representation. OJ Simpson had much better representation than I ever would.
Poor people are not more heavily "policed" (as if that's a bad thing), criminals are more heavily policed. Poor blacks have more interactions with cops than poor whites because blacks commit more crime per capita than poor whites.

In my state, Public Defenders handle felony matters. Worst of the worst my friend. Everything from drugs to homicide and everything in between.

A State Public Defender Attorney isn’t someone right out of law school that just passed the Bar Exam. You must be an experienced attorney with trial experience to be considered for these positions. They are coveted positions and the competition for them is extreme.

To illustrate my point, I found it shocking that so many big name private attorneys who took felony cases didn’t know what they were doing… they put on a big show. What did they do every time they get these cases and needed guidance? They quietly almost secretively come to their regional State Public Defenders Office and ask staff attorneys for help. It’s a well kept secret. Virtually all Public Defenders in my state are top criminal felony litigators. Money is no object if you get approved for a Public Defender. Polygraph experts, investigators, experts of all kinds and the pot of money for these derelicts never ends. No exaggeration.

Virtually all of our clients were black men and women. Even in a county or region that was mostly white. The crimes were always involving a victim or firearms rather than simply drug crimes where the State is the listed victim.

So I get assigned a client named XXX a black female accused of aggravated assault and armed robbery. She is looking at a max of 15 years in state prison. She claims the white victim was the one that actually violated her. Somehow she ends up with the victims cell phone and valuables and the victim is the one who ends up in the hospital. So she continually tells me the victim was a racist and didn’t like black people, somehow that justified assault and robbery. She demands a trial before a jury and somehow I get the jury to come back with a not guilty on all charges. She doesn’t even thank me and I say “Well you can at least say thank you I did put in a lot of effort and kept you out of prison.” Her response, “You white mother f*ck*rs don’t deserve a thank you what you need is a mother f*ck*n *ss beatin.” I said have a great life.

I get assigned a black male client name ZZZl. He is under arrest for armed robbery at a convenience store, I visit him in the county jail. He used a handgun and pistol whipped an Indian store owner and took all the cash after terrorizing him and beating him. His defense to this was “I ain’t do nothing, white mother f*ck*rs just need somebody to f*ck with.” I explained to him that I am trying to help him and would do everything I could. He continued to deny his involvement. I said “But the police grabbed you right down the street with a gun in your pants and the money in your pocket and you had the same clothes on as in the video” Then I had him watch a very very good quality surveillance video that clearly showed him during the entire extremely violent event. His response to me “That ain’t me and you mother f*ck*rs are trying to railroad me.” I tell him I am on his side and that I am going to have trouble explaining away this good video, the gun, the victim identification of him and the money in his pockets. He says “All ya’ll crackers can go to hell.” Real gratitude huh, nice to be appreciated. Enjoy your 20 years in State prison.

Then the next assigned client is YYYY, a black male in jail for homicide. He is accused of aggressively instigating an argument with a totally innocent teenager, comes back with a group and shoots and kills the kid. There is a co conspirator testifying against him and tons of physical evidence. I meet him in jail and tell him I am here to help. What are the first words out of his mouth? “Just what I need a cracker.” I go back to meet him later. Now I spend roughly 10 thousand dollars of taxpayers money on investigators and experts. The State offers him a plea bargain of only 20 years when he should be looking at life in prison. He says “F*ck their flea bargain it’s just because I’m black and they don’t like n*gge*s.” I say “George it isn’t a Flea bargain it’s a Plea bargain and your buddy is testifying against you and there’s a ton of physical evidence.” “We have spent over 10 grand of tax payers money on experts and all trying to help you.” His response… he goes off the deep end yelling “F*ck the taxpayers my mother f*ck*ng people were you f*ck*rs slaves.” I tell him “George my family didn’t come to America until 1939 and we were poor and didn’t have slaves.” Then he tries to assault me. Adios enjoy State Prison.

Then there is an assigned client named AAAAA who is charged with aggravated assault and attempted murder of an older white guy he was supposed to do yard work for. He didn’t do much work at all and threatened the white home owner anyway. The white home owner pays the full amount and puts the money in an envelope just to get rid of him. What does AAAAA do? He violently explodes and beats the older white man half to death, takes the money and leaves. I meet him in jail when I get copies of all the police reports and copies of the reports and evidence taken from AAAAA. I ask him what happened? AAAAA gets real angry and says “That white mother f*ck*r called me a monkey and wrote monkey on the envelope.” I pull out the copies and show him that the envelope copy clearly had the word “MONEY” written on it in big block letters not MONKEY.” His response…” F*ck you white mother f*ckers I’m just here because I’m black.” No remorse at all just an expression that white people deserve to be beaten and everyone is a racist. I immediately walked out of the jail and gave the case to someone else.

There are many many more, all the themes to me as a Public Defender were the same. A black client using up taxpayers dollars, it was a violent crime and they claimed everyone except them was a racist… including me. Their explosive brutality was shocking to most people but I had seen it all before. They all lacked any impulse control whatsoever and they got in close to their victims and exploded violently on them so the victim couldn’t react or defend themselves. When I say explosive violence I mean explosive. It was the same exact script over and over just the name of the client and the victim changed. If the victim was white, and they often were, somehow they deserved it and were lying. They were not humans they were just “White mother f*ck*rs or white crackers who had it coming.”

You couldn’t reason with them, the thinking just wasn’t there at all. It was just a huge pool of black men and women roaming the streets looking for an opportunity to victimize someone and the method was always violent brute force. Most of the old black people from these area were as good as gold. No criminal history whatsoever, they were genuinely embarrassed and mortified. Something went haywire somewhere down the line.

My wife would hear these stories and used to think it was safer for me doing this than on the street in my last job. It didn’t take long until she begged me to get out of it because I was going to get hurt or killed by one of these degenerates I was trying to help. I took her advice and never looked back after having to admit that it was like walking in an enclosure with wild tigers. Sooner or later if you have enough contact with them you are going to be a victim even if you were the only one in the world trying to help them.

These people saw their job as collecting welfare, free housing, utilities and getting food stamps. Oh I forgot, and brutally victimizing people for their own purposes which I soon saw wasn’t always financial. It was also clearly to violate non blacks who were seen as easy prey. None of them worked and most never ever had a job. Several generations on welfare because in their words “Yous peoples owes us.” I heard that time and time again.

If people in this country really knew the violent predators that are walking around in large numbers that are looking to literally beat them to death for no real reason at all they would board themselves up in their homes and never come out, this is not an exaggeration. The liberal news wont tell you this, your local politicians refuse to admit it or ever say it, and the police are accused by both sides as being the problem. They get a blip in the paper or on TV about the crime and that’s it. They never get to see the autopsy or hospital pictures of the victims, the bloody cloths or the scars.

Well my friend someone else can help perpetrate this charade because I refuse to. Sure I was upholding the Law but I couldn’t look the victims in the eyes, if they were still alive. Don’t start me on Criminal Justice Reform either. I’ll leave that for another day.

My dad is a real old school guy in his 70’s. Typical old type Italian. He is a Vietnam vet and did over 30 some years as a police officer. He got along great with blacks in our town and they all respected him in the old days. He always treated everyone like they treated him. One time a black guy was complaining and the old time black guy says if Chief AAAAA gave you an *ss whooping you must have deserved it.

Then one day in the winter there is this black family literally freezing in the winter with no food in the house with kids. Pop gets them food and some heating oil. Two months later while on a traffic stop this guy hits pop and leaves him in the road for dead. Yup the black guy he got food and oil for out of his own pocket. That’s a you’re welcome, isn’t it.

Last week we talk about the topic and he says “Son, the old days are gone. I am just too tired of trying to find a needle in a haystack with these people, I’ll just stay as far from them as I can and stay safe and keep what’s mine.”

A Public Defender no more.



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[frigidweirdo]

No. Anti-white discrimination has been normalized. Non-whites are a protected class who can do no wrong.


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Well there's a reason such things have been put in place. But you'll ignore hundreds of history in order to try and play the victim.

 

[cnelsen]

You used the present tense. There is systemic racism in America. He challenged you. Don't try to shift your claim to the past.

He said it's a myth the next logical question is "uhh since when?"

In my lifetime.

What year

Fuck that. Give me one example of it happening right now.

I'm not answering your questions if you're not answering mine lol you waste of space

1970. now answer

 

[cnelsen]

You think the Senate is better depending on what color/gender the senators are?

I think who is put forward as a leader and who we vote for is an indication of who the majority of us consider to be "leaders." The rule makers. The ones who are in charge.
I think more diversity would be helpful. Minorities bring a different perspective to policy making that a bunch of white guys might not have thought of. Of course, having more women as senators is awesome because women as a rule have a lot of sense.

Minorities bring a different perspective? Are you saying it is OK, then, to make assumptions about people's views based on their race?

You are trying to make it impossible to have a discussion about this by posing questions that do nothing but shut down other people's views.

Another way to look at that is that I exposed a flaw in your presuppositions. Which is a great benefit to you. As you know, the argument that "diversity" is good because it "brings different perspectives" is everywhere. It governs corporate America, the government, academia, and so much else. Not only is it just plain wrong (making it a bad predicate for public policy), but it is exceedingly dangerous. So, of course, I am going to object when I see it on this board. If a question feels like it "shuts down debate" that just means you don't have an answer for it, to illuminate which I posed the question in the first place.

No. You slime away from your claims that you can't defend and are unable to participate in a logical back and forth discussion.

Haha, what did I back away from? I can tell by your languagee you are getting angry. Proof you KNOW you lost the argument, you just don't have the character to admit.