In only 10% of counties in the US can a worker afford a 2 bedroom apartment working 40 hours a week

[Redfish]

Don't work for minimum wage... problem solved.

Well gee, that’s a brilliant solution. Okay so let’s pretend everyone did that despite such a thing being mathematically impossible. Who would be left behind to work those minimum wage jobs? I mean we are also talking about service jobs that pay more than minimum wage but still very much south of a live able wage.

Take a job, for a wage is, at least until Communism is installed in the US, a voluntary act.

There will always be those too lazy or unskilled to work for anything but the lowest wages. But, by agreeing to a wage that somehow doesn't provide you with enough weed or che t-shirts, you've lost the moral right to demand more.

If you aren't satisfied with your low wages, go do something else.

Otherwise, take what you agreed to take when you took the job and like it.

Okay you say this shit despite the statistic I quoted in my OP. Are ALL of those workers lazy with the exception of those in the 10% of counties?

Maybe if the democrat controlled schools taught math, english, science instead of teaching classes in "How to pick your new Gender," "Why America Sucks, and the rest of the world is great," "Why you are a racist pig and how to give politiicans more power because you are a racist pig," then our children wouldn't be going to college for degrees in French Poetry, and would instead learn how to make a living....outside of working at Starbucks.

many of the problems we are seeing today can be traced directly back to the teachers union and its move from teaching to indoctrination.

 

[2aguy]

Don't work for minimum wage... problem solved.

Well gee, that’s a brilliant solution. Okay so let’s pretend everyone did that despite such a thing being mathematically impossible. Who would be left behind to work those minimum wage jobs? I mean we are also talking about service jobs that pay more than minimum wage but still very much south of a live able wage.

Take a job, for a wage is, at least until Communism is installed in the US, a voluntary act.

There will always be those too lazy or unskilled to work for anything but the lowest wages. But, by agreeing to a wage that somehow doesn't provide you with enough weed or che t-shirts, you've lost the moral right to demand more.

If you aren't satisfied with your low wages, go do something else.

Otherwise, take what you agreed to take when you took the job and like it.

Okay you say this shit despite the statistic I quoted in my OP. Are ALL of those workers lazy with the exception of those in the 10% of counties?

Maybe if the democrat controlled schools taught math, english, science instead of teaching classes in "How to pick your new Gender," "Why America Sucks, and the rest of the world is great," "Why you are a racist pig and how to give politiicans more power because you are a racist pig," then our children wouldn't be going to college for degrees in French Poetry, and would instead learn how to make a living....outside of working at Starbucks.

many of the problems we are seeing today can be traced directly back to the teachers union and its move from teaching to indoctrination.

Yes....keep people uneducated, poor, angry, resentful.....and they will be democrats for life....unless they wake up and realize the scam.

 

[Pooh]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Is there ANYTHING you don't think the Gov should provide for you?

 

[pknopp]

No they are not. You are just making this up. You might find the rare example but there are thousands and thousands of employers hiring illegals. It would be everyday front page news if anything was being done about it.

I would surmise those that are mostly hiring are the left elite, for their housekeepers, nannies, and groundskeepers.

Andrew Puzder, President Trump’s choice for Labor secretary, acknowledged late Monday night he had employed an undocumented housekeeper for a number of years, a violation that has usually, but not always, forced Cabinet nominees to withdraw.

Andrew Puzder is just the latest Cabinet nominee with a 'nanny' problem

Not to mention the ones Trump's Country Club hired.

Two were found out of how properties he has?

Irrelevant to the point you made. But as you note, two were found out.

yes, and their employment was terminated as soon as it was known that they were illegal.

According to them, it had long been known.

 

[Billiejeens]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

It's only a "Republican Congress"
If Republicans have control of the House and at least 60 seats in the Senate.

In all other instances it is a "Do nothing Congress"

 

[Edgetho]

There is no 'housing shortage'. Anybody that thinks that is an idiot.

There are places people want to live and places they do not want to live.

In Dee-Troit, they will GIVE you a house. GIVE it to you.

And despite that you still can not afford to live there because of all the jobs sent off-shore.

You are clueless

Hundreds of thousands of people live very happy and successful lives around Dee-Troit. In the 'burbs and close-in rural areas. Dee-Troit is the 14th ranked MSA (4,300,000) by population. Not exactly small. At one time it was the 4th largest City in the Country. And had the largest personal GDP of any City on the PLANET.

Know what happened to it? Simple --

dimocrap scum happened to it.

Just that nobody wants to live in a dimocrap scum-controlled City.

Because --

dimocraps are scum

I lived it. I watched it happen in slow motion for a long time. A long time. We warned against electing dimocrap FILTH time and again but people voted instant gratification, voted for the Big Lie, and this is what they got.

And you know what? They fucking deserve it.

You ALWAYS get the government you deserve.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Stop lying.....

"two-bedroom rental "home" at fair market rent, working a standard 40-hour work week.

 

[pknopp]

There is no 'housing shortage'. Anybody that thinks that is an idiot.

There are places people want to live and places they do not want to live.

In Dee-Troit, they will GIVE you a house. GIVE it to you.

And despite that you still can not afford to live there because of all the jobs sent off-shore.

You are clueless

Hundreds of thousands of people live very happy and successful lives around Dee-Troit. In the 'burbs and close-in rural areas. Dee-Troit is the 14th ranked MSA (4,300,000) by population. Not exactly small. At one time it was the 4th largest City in the Country. And had the largest personal GDP of any City on the PLANET.

Know what happened to it? Simple --

dimocrap scum happened to it.

Just that nobody wants to live in a dimocrap scum-controlled City.

Because --

dimocraps are scum

I lived it. I watched it happen in slow motion for a long time. A long time. We warned against electing dimocrap FILTH time and again but people voted instant gratification, voted for the Big Lie, and this is what they got.

And you know what? They fucking deserve it.

You ALWAYS get the government you deserve.

Right, the off-shoring of jobs had nothing to do with it. LOL

 

[healthmyths]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

FACTS... where are yours? NOT one source substantiating your dumb ass UNINFORMED comments!

Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum.
Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Age
Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 8 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 1 percent of workers age 25 and older.
Marital status. Of those paid an hourly wage, never-married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely
(4 percent) than married workers (1 percent) to earn the federal minimum wage or less. (See table 8.)

Full- and part-time status. About 6 percent of part-time workers (persons who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were paid the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 1 percent of full-time workers. (See table 1.)

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So less than 1.8 million worked part time, weren't married, and therefore didn't NEED a 2 bedroom apartment!

BUT idiots that support that stupid $15 Federal minimum wage... don't seem to comprehend the concept..
"ONE SIZE doesn't fit all"!
It makes no sense to force a $15.00 minimum wage for Mississippi where if these part-time jobs were paying
$15.00... that either forces the employer to raise prices or cut hours or use robots!

 

[Nova78]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Your full of shit ,get rid the illegals and the generational welfare ,then there will be plenty of cheap apartments. Any major city run by dipshit Democrats has tuned into a giant armpit.

 

[depotoo]

I would surmise those that are mostly hiring are the left elite, for their housekeepers, nannies, and groundskeepers.

Andrew Puzder, President Trump’s choice for Labor secretary, acknowledged late Monday night he had employed an undocumented housekeeper for a number of years, a violation that has usually, but not always, forced Cabinet nominees to withdraw.

Andrew Puzder is just the latest Cabinet nominee with a 'nanny' problem

Not to mention the ones Trump's Country Club hired.

Two were found out of how properties he has?

Irrelevant to the point you made. But as you note, two were found out.

yes, and their employment was terminated as soon as it was known that they were illegal.

According to them, it had long been known.

Of course it was, they were paid to say so. And Trump had nothing to do with it. 2 out 22,500 employees, comes to 0.00008888889%

 

[blackhawk]

For the ten billion time the minimum wage was never intended be something you could raise a family on or buy a home with it is the minimum starting pay for low skill or entry level jobs.

 

[Markle]

'

He also TRIED to...

He TRIED to take good used cars off the market. Cash for Clunkers! And succeeded!

Who did that fuck!?

It was a full frontal assault on the poor and lower middle classes. Obama and the Democrats were obviously trying to make jobs less available to certain classes of people.

In most parts of the USA, if you do not own reliable transportation, you are not eligible for a good job because you are less free than somebody who does own reliable transportation to go wherever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want.

It was part of the keep the poor, poor program. Just a part of the OED (Obama Economic Depression) fuck Americans program.

Paying people to destroy material wealth is not sound economic policy.

Cash for Clunkers was intended to help the UAW. Government subsidized automobile purchases to strengthen the UAW.

/——/ It caused many working class poor to give up perfectly serviceable older cars with new ones that required full insurance. Yet another Prog failure because they don’t understand the free market. The Obama administration accidentally accelerated the Corolla conquest of American roads

The Cash for Clunkers didn't take cars from the low income household. It gave middle and upper income households the opportunity to unload the second or third car in the family, get a huge trade in and a brand new car.

That took millions of perfectly good used cars off the market which drove up the cost of used cars penalizing low income households for many years.

 

[pknopp]

For the ten billion time the minimum wage was never intended be something you could raise a family on or buy a home with it is the minimum starting pay for low skill or entry level jobs.

What it was intended to be is no longer what it is.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Well gee, that’s a brilliant solution. Okay so let’s pretend everyone did that despite such a thing being mathematically impossible. Who would be left behind to work those minimum wage jobs? I mean we are also talking about service jobs that pay more than minimum wage but still very much south of a live able wage.

the premise of your thread is flawed. Minimum wage is not for middle aged people raising a family. It is for teens working part time and people just starting out with no education or training. If you reach middle age and are still making minimum wage then you are either very stupid, untrainable, or just plain lazy.

There were people making a liveable wage at Lowes. They had benefits like health care and a 401k. Lowes are firing thousands of them to replace them with minimum wage employees (or illegals).

No, there are not thousands of good paying jobs out there to simply go to.


Wages stalled but costs haven’t, so people increasingly rent or finance what their parents might have owned outright

Families Go Deep in Debt to Stay in the Middle Class

I think you just defeated your own argument. allowing the influx of illegals has deprived hard working americans of good jobs, glad you finally realized that.

It's business that is inviting them. I'm for extreme measures to stop this. When do you suppose Trump will address the illegal actions of employers?

Get a mirror.

its already happening, those employing illegals are being charged and taken to court. Yes, many businesses like cheap labor, no one ever said otherwise. When will the dems in the house pass a bill to deal with securing the border and enforcing our existing immigration laws?

When will Moscow Mitch allow the bills that you demand to reach the floor of the Senate.

 

[depotoo]

For the ten billion time the minimum wage was never intended be something you could raise a family on or buy a home with it is the minimum starting pay for low skill or entry level jobs.

What it was intended to be is no longer what it is.

Only to those that refuse to improve their own skill set.

 

[Markle]

Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.

In a FREE-market system (meaning it's not socialist, communist or fascist) wages rise when companies are productive (profitable and growing) and are competing with one another for employees.

Wages become stagnant when there is an abundance of workers (such as too many immigrants) and/or when business is slow.

This is basic economics.

Um it’s basic mathematics that if everyone left those jobs that can’t support 2 bedroom, the large majority of them would be unemployed because the jobs they seek simply don’t exist.

There are a million more open positions in this country than people to fill them....99% of those jobs are not minimum wage jobs.

NOT true!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

'

He also TRIED to...

He TRIED to take good used cars off the market. Cash for Clunkers! And succeeded!

Who did that fuck!?

It was a full frontal assault on the poor and lower middle classes. Obama and the Democrats were obviously trying to make jobs less available to certain classes of people.

In most parts of the USA, if you do not own reliable transportation, you are not eligible for a good job because you are less free than somebody who does own reliable transportation to go wherever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want.

It was part of the keep the poor, poor program. Just a part of the OED (Obama Economic Depression) fuck Americans program.

Paying people to destroy material wealth is not sound economic policy.

Cash for Clunkers was intended to help the UAW. Government subsidized automobile purchases to strengthen the UAW.

/——/ It caused many working class poor to give up perfectly serviceable older cars with new ones that required full insurance. Yet another Prog failure because they don’t understand the free market. The Obama administration accidentally accelerated the Corolla conquest of American roads

The Cash for Clunkers didn't take cars from the low income household. It gave middle and upper income households the opportunity to unload the second or third car in the family, get a huge trade in and a brand new car.

That took millions of perfectly good used cars off the market which drove up the cost of used cars penalizing low income households forany years.

The funny thing about Cash for Clunkers is that most of the new cars purchased were foreign automobiles.

 

[depotoo]

the premise of your thread is flawed. Minimum wage is not for middle aged people raising a family. It is for teens working part time and people just starting out with no education or training. If you reach middle age and are still making minimum wage then you are either very stupid, untrainable, or just plain lazy.

There were people making a liveable wage at Lowes. They had benefits like health care and a 401k. Lowes are firing thousands of them to replace them with minimum wage employees (or illegals).

No, there are not thousands of good paying jobs out there to simply go to.


Wages stalled but costs haven’t, so people increasingly rent or finance what their parents might have owned outright

Families Go Deep in Debt to Stay in the Middle Class

I think you just defeated your own argument. allowing the influx of illegals has deprived hard working americans of good jobs, glad you finally realized that.

It's business that is inviting them. I'm for extreme measures to stop this. When do you suppose Trump will address the illegal actions of employers?

Get a mirror.

its already happening, those employing illegals are being charged and taken to court. Yes, many businesses like cheap labor, no one ever said otherwise. When will the dems in the house pass a bill to deal with securing the border and enforcing our existing immigration laws?

When will Moscow Mitch allow the bills that you demand to reach the floor of the Senate.

When will the house Dems allow a bill that actually does something pass the House to then go to the Senate

 

[blackhawk]

For the ten billion time the minimum wage was never intended be something you could raise a family on or buy a home with it is the minimum starting pay for low skill or entry level jobs.

What it was intended to be is no longer what it is.

It's still what it was intended to be despite some wanting to change that for political benefit.