Ingraham: Innocent people are paying the price for multicultism

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Ican agree with nearly everthing you said here. But I had to step up to debunk the notion that the value of Black labor is based on cheapness rather than quality. I don't believe that for a moment. Employers want to hire the best because shoody work means the competition with high quality workers will take his/her customers. No one is going to risk that by hiring and maintaining marginal workers. Ideally, though blacks were far more self sustaining during the Jim Crow era.
On the whole, black businesses and entrepreneurs thrived during the era of American apartheid.

Given your reply, you might find this article interesting. It's a short read but it gets to the point:

Walter Williams: Black Self-Sabotage

I was especially impressed that only 36% of Blacks are impoverished. That means there is a thriving Black middle class no matter what the statisticians do to demonize them.

I think what Dr. Williams was trying to point out is that the problem blacks have today is not inherent. The problems blacks have today is liberalism. As he said, substituting the father with a welfare check.

I grew up in the 70's, and the white kids that were the most problems came from a single parent family. The movement was just getting started, but those were the kids that were always in some sort of trouble either at home or with the police; petty stuff for the most part, but they were different than those of us that came from a two-parent household.

You guys love to listen to sellouts.

What you don't want to hear is the truth.

The Trillion Dollar African American Consumer Market: Economic Empowerment or Economic Dependency? | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

one thing that would help is a program to assist black owned businesses to market and advertise equally as white businesses do.

Communist thinking.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

What do you need whites for?

Not much (actually).

So we can end al those social programs designed to help blacks?

No, we can end whitey.

Get in the oven n!gger.

 

[JQPublic1]

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

The problem with your statistic is that 70% of black dads have never been married to the mother, whereas in the case of white kids that figure is closer to 20%.

So what? That isn't the issue. Black marriages didn't mean a damn thing to white people during slavery so why make it relevant now. Besides, to be honest, marriage doesn't matter as long as you take care of and support your offspring. According to that CDC report black men are doing a better job of it than Caucasians.

 

[JQPublic1]

Obama is the worst president since Lincoln.

The party of Lincoln (that hates Lincoln).

Most Republicans love Lincoln. Their admiration is misplaced since Lincoln was a dictator and a tyrant.

He was just what the nation needed at that time. A lesser man could not have brought the Union back together.

 

[JQPublic1]

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

Sorry but real life trump

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

Yeah not talking about visitations do nice try with your non related to topic CDC stats

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

see this is looney lib lying. My statement was not about visitation but rather men marrying the women they impregnate and living in the home, not jailhouse and other "visits"
Lack of personal responsibility is the cause and personal responsibility is the cure. Why do you perpetuate this situation by suggesting it's not the parties responsibility but rather someone else's fault?

The purpose of your entire clueless rant rested on the word "abandon." That CDC report messed up your central theme. Now the finger you pointed at Black fathers is pointing at a larger number of white deadbeat dads who never even visit or support their "abandoned" children.

The majority of black fathers are not even listed on the birth certificate.

That doesn't matter to the hundred thousands of white kids who never see or hear from the fathers who signed their birth certificates.

 

[JQPublic1]

Blacks love to say whites don't know shit but we do know shit because we get shit done while blacks stay mired in not doing shit

You must be cold because you keep making blanket statements.

 

[JQPublic1]

Black people are at a disadvantage because of their parent(s). White people learn about investing from young on because their parents are knowledgable of investments. That's why public schools (particularly in lower income areas) need to start teaching young kids about investing.

Black kids have this belief that the only way to success is if you can make a good rap song or be very good at sports. They believe there is no chance for them to have wealth because of their skin color, the neighborhood they were born into, the family they were born into, and yes, whitey is out to get them. When they discover they don't have the athletic talent and can't write music, many of them turn to crime.

If you know or are associated with any young black people, ask them what the stock market is all about? Ask them what the commodity market is all about? Ask them what they know about real estate? Ask them what they know about opening up a business? Ask them about compound interest, the bond market or CD's, and no, not the kind of CD's that you hear music on.

You will be met with a blank stare. That's what needs to change in this country.

You speak of blacks being at a disadvantage then proceed to bark that there IS no disadvantage...which is it? I am inclined to believe that millions of Blacks are enjoying middle class status though hard work and perseverance. But they put that money right back into a hostile white community instead of circulating every dollar in their own communities for as long as possible. Those Blacks with means need to pool their resources and create business entities that support their people. Blacks can no longer depend on white society to give them jobs or anything else. They must create their own jobs by any means necessary.

There is a lot of truth to this. I would not call it depending on the white community though. I would call it spending your money where you can get what you need. I wouldn't call it depending upon whites to give them jobs, I would call it going where you can get a job. The majority of black owned businesses are either sole proprietorships or a family working as employees because most black businesses cannot afford to hire. Also the white banks with the black money in it should do more investing in the place where most of their money comes from.

Im for producing what you need and putting your own people first. Thats what every other successful group does.

That's easy for white people to say. They have been given everything they need to build communities and longstanding businesses. Others were excluded from this while the building was going on. Blacks who go to banks in communities where almost every depositor in that bank is black cannot get a business loan to start a business in their communities.

So called other successful groups have made laws and policies that excluded others from competing while they built. Because money wise blacks have one of the largest economies on earth. There is a lot of fake news going on in these places. The reality of lack business are hey make about 1/2 of 1 percent of all receipts and that if white businesses can do trade and business with foreigners they can do it with blacks.

Who gave whites what they needed?

The Amerindians?

 

[JQPublic1]

You speak of blacks being at a disadvantage then proceed to bark that there IS no disadvantage...which is it? I am inclined to believe that millions of Blacks are enjoying middle class status though hard work and perseverance. But they put that money right back into a hostile white community instead of circulating every dollar in their own communities for as long as possible. Those Blacks with means need to pool their resources and create business entities that support their people. Blacks can no longer depend on white society to give them jobs or anything else. They must create their own jobs by any means necessary.

There is a lot of truth to this. I would not call it depending on the white community though. I would call it spending your money where you can get what you need. I wouldn't call it depending upon whites to give them jobs, I would call it going where you can get a job. The majority of black owned businesses are either sole proprietorships or a family working as employees because most black businesses cannot afford to hire. Also the white banks with the black money in it should do more investing in the place where most of their money comes from.

Im for producing what you need and putting your own people first. Thats what every other successful group does.

So what if white people put their own people first?

Why should they? Do you live in White-Land like Disneyland?

JQPublic1 said "I'm for producing what you need and putting your own people first." Do you agree or disagree?

He doesn't have to agree with me. You and he know that white people have been doing just that ever since they set foot on these shores. Most white people have begrudged every concession of liberty or benefit of citizenship blacks have ever petitioned for.
Only a fraction of the white populace has been involved in the black' s struggle for equality. And none of them were bigots like ewe..ya friggin rw sheep.

 

[JQPublic1]

Given your reply, you might find this article interesting. It's a short read but it gets to the point:

Walter Williams: Black Self-Sabotage

I was especially impressed that only 36% of Blacks are impoverished. That means there is a thriving Black middle class no matter what the statisticians do to demonize them.

I think what Dr. Williams was trying to point out is that the problem blacks have today is not inherent. The problems blacks have today is liberalism. As he said, substituting the father with a welfare check.

I grew up in the 70's, and the white kids that were the most problems came from a single parent family. The movement was just getting started, but those were the kids that were always in some sort of trouble either at home or with the police; petty stuff for the most part, but they were different than those of us that came from a two-parent household.

You guys love to listen to sellouts.

What you don't want to hear is the truth.

The Trillion Dollar African American Consumer Market: Economic Empowerment or Economic Dependency? | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

one thing that would help is a program to assist black owned businesses to market and advertise equally as white businesses do.

Communist thinking.

If so, considering that most white Americans, especially so called conservatives, are unapologetic racists like you, what have they got to lose by being socialists...BTW..communism has never existed except maybe in primitive tribes

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

The problem with your statistic is that 70% of black dads have never been married to the mother, whereas in the case of white kids that figure is closer to 20%.

So what? That isn't the issue. Black marriages didn't mean a damn thing to white people during slavery so why make it relevant now. Besides, to be honest, marriage doesn't matter as long as you take care of and support your offspring. According to that CDC report black men are doing a better job of it than Caucasians.

HTF do you figure that???

 

[JQPublic1]

There is a lot of truth to this. I would not call it depending on the white community though. I would call it spending your money where you can get what you need. I wouldn't call it depending upon whites to give them jobs, I would call it going where you can get a job. The majority of black owned businesses are either sole proprietorships or a family working as employees because most black businesses cannot afford to hire. Also the white banks with the black money in it should do more investing in the place where most of their money comes from.

Im for producing what you need and putting your own people first. Thats what every other successful group does.

So what if white people put their own people first?

Why should they? Do you live in White-Land like Disneyland?

JQPublic1 said "I'm for producing what you need and putting your own people first." Do you agree or disagree?

Disagree, of course. I don't live in a hunter-gather tribe, 10,000 yeas ago.

Well, since we are all Americans Trump's agenda to put America first is doomed.
Bripat and you certainly don't support that.

 

[JQPublic1]

What do you need whites for?

Not much (actually).

So we can end al those social programs designed to help blacks?

What social programs were designed to help blacks ? Hell, even affirmative action wasn't designed to help blacks exclusively. White women jumped on that band wagon at inception and rode in the front seats for decades. But at least some of them can be seen marching with blacks during the civil rights movement. Some whites even gave their lives. But all the other minorites who jumped on the AA train were nowhere to be seen among the civil rights marchers.
Blacks may have benefited the least.

What's left? Don't even start with that welfare BS. None of those programs were specifically designed to help blacks.

 

[IM2]

Blacks love to say whites don't know shit but we do know shit because we get shit done while blacks stay mired in not doing shit

Whites like weaher53 don't know shit about blacks and this comment is evidence of it.

 

[IM2]

Whites have been the largest benefactors of Affirmative Action.

 

[JQPublic1]

Disagree, of course. I don't live in a hunter-gather tribe, 10,000 yeas ago.

Hunter-gatheres are big on egalitarianism and share-the-wealth, just like you.

Hunter-gathers are fucking morons (like you). Tribal and warlike.

But you endorse their economic system?

Ah, no. But it can work, for a time with good luck.

It "works" for people living in the Stone Age.

All the industrialized nations on the planet are more prone to egalitarianism and sharing the wealth than American capitalists are.
And none are hunter gatherer nations.

 

[JQPublic1]

Black people are at a disadvantage because of their parent(s). White people learn about investing from young on because their parents are knowledgable of investments. That's why public schools (particularly in lower income areas) need to start teaching young kids about investing.

Black kids have this belief that the only way to success is if you can make a good rap song or be very good at sports. They believe there is no chance for them to have wealth because of their skin color, the neighborhood they were born into, the family they were born into, and yes, whitey is out to get them. When they discover they don't have the athletic talent and can't write music, many of them turn to crime.

If you know or are associated with any young black people, ask them what the stock market is all about? Ask them what the commodity market is all about? Ask them what they know about real estate? Ask them what they know about opening up a business? Ask them about compound interest, the bond market or CD's, and no, not the kind of CD's that you hear music on.

You will be met with a blank stare. That's what needs to change in this country.

You speak of blacks being at a disadvantage then proceed to bark that there IS no disadvantage...which is it? I am inclined to believe that millions of Blacks are enjoying middle class status though hard work and perseverance. But they put that money right back into a hostile white community instead of circulating every dollar in their own communities for as long as possible. Those Blacks with means need to pool their resources and create business entities that support their people. Blacks can no longer depend on white society to give them jobs or anything else. They must create their own jobs by any means necessary.

There is a lot of truth to this. I would not call it depending on the white community though. I would call it spending your money where you can get what you need. I wouldn't call it depending upon whites to give them jobs, I would call it going where you can get a job. The majority of black owned businesses are either sole proprietorships or a family working as employees because most black businesses cannot afford to hire. Also the white banks with the black money in it should do more investing in the place where most of their money comes from.

Im for producing what you need and putting your own people first. Thats what every other successful group does.

So what if white people put their own people first?

That would be racist.

But it is the conservative standard. Stop pretending it isn't. You racists have been extolling the supremacy of whiteness in this op in hundreds of posts. Now you want to pretend to be socially liberal and sanctimonious.

 

[IM2]

Given your reply, you might find this article interesting. It's a short read but it gets to the point:

Walter Williams: Black Self-Sabotage

I was especially impressed that only 36% of Blacks are impoverished. That means there is a thriving Black middle class no matter what the statisticians do to demonize them.

I think what Dr. Williams was trying to point out is that the problem blacks have today is not inherent. The problems blacks have today is liberalism. As he said, substituting the father with a welfare check.

I grew up in the 70's, and the white kids that were the most problems came from a single parent family. The movement was just getting started, but those were the kids that were always in some sort of trouble either at home or with the police; petty stuff for the most part, but they were different than those of us that came from a two-parent household.

You guys love to listen to sellouts.

What you don't want to hear is the truth.

The Trillion Dollar African American Consumer Market: Economic Empowerment or Economic Dependency? | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

one thing that would help is a program to assist black owned businesses to market and advertise equally as white businesses do.

Communist thinking.

Nah, its not communist thinking..

Now you wanted to bring up Nigerians. You are truly a dumbfuck. Most Africans who come here are usually already wealthy.

You will be forever trying to make excuses to justify your racism. You are a sorry ass.

 

[JQPublic1]

Not much (actually).

So we can end al those social programs designed to help blacks?

No, we can end whitey.

Oooooh, threats of violence! How civilized.

Let's be honest. Laura Ingram is a racist bitch. Her show caters to rwnjs.

But I'm sick of black people saying black neighborhoods aren't worse than white neighborhoods. If they aren't then black people would be living in Detroit happily ever after.

Then if blacks admit it's worse in black neighborhoods they'll blame racism. We'll pick one argument. Which is it? Let's assume they admit it's worse in black communities and they blame whites. Ok, so then besides what whites can do to right the wrongs, what are blacks doing to make sure their kids get out of poverty.

Today I was talking to an Indian couple at the dog park and their one kid. Their one kid is going to northwestern pre med out of state tuition. They were smart not to have too many kids. How many of shananays kids will go to college. How many of her kids know their fathers?

Yes you are right
Many observations were/are racial but not racist. Racist started being used all the time for correct statements that were unflattering
It's former effectiveness is now greatly diminished

I don't care. People who hate another group of people enough to do them harm, overtly or surreptitiously, are scum regardless of their station in life.

 

[JQPublic1]

I am wondering what white racism it is that causes 75% of adult black males to abandon the women they impregnated?
Is that the stupid racism or the irresponsible racism?
Maybe it's just blame assignment for poor conduct and poor choices with a chorus of weepy liberals helping to sing "we be done bad"

Here is a viable counter to your sophistry.
Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads. And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting.
The absent black father myth—debunked by CDC

The problem with your statistic is that 70% of black dads have never been married to the mother, whereas in the case of white kids that figure is closer to 20%.

So what? That isn't the issue. Black marriages didn't mean a damn thing to white people during slavery so why make it relevant now. Besides, to be honest, marriage doesn't matter as long as you take care of and support your offspring. According to that CDC report black men are doing a better job of it than Caucasians.

HTF do you figure that???

Flip back and find my post showing the CDC report. Its right there in black and white.

 

[Correll]

I thank you for your honesty. What I will tell you is that blacks now have the advantage in the labor market. I work with companies that went from a nearly all white work crew to a nearly all black. Why? Because blacks can work for less money. Where they live, the cost of living is much lower than whites who live in the suburbs.

So even though blacks can't perform as well as whites in most cases, the company still makes out better because they can get black workers for lower wages. A little less production, but a much lower payroll. So even without AA, they are still put at the top of the list in hiring in some companies.

I'm not against that. If companies are going to come back to America it's probably going to be to cities where they can find the kind of labor their looking for. And we have a problem with unemployed blacks. I can't be mad because companies are hiring black Americans because they work for less. Should they pay them more? Sure but then may as well hire a white. Lol

I''m just simply pointing out the advantage they have over whites. I'm not against that either. If an employer can get the jobs completed using less money, it's the employers right to do so. However I also believe that if an employer aims for white employees because of attendance, better performance, ability to advance within the company, they should be allowed to do so as well.

Each situation has it's advantages depending on how an employer views the job needed to be done. However in the case of my illiterate post office carriers, nothing can be done because it's government doing the hiring, and when you have a monopoly, you really don't have a concern about competition.

Black Americans don't have employment advantages over whites. Haven't you been paying attention? The national black unemployment rate is nearly always more than double that of the white unemployment rate.

Look. Your social conditioning is going full throttle here. You are convinced that black work ethics are inferior to white work ethics.
Historically, that white work ethic, or lack thereof, seems to have increased demand for slaves. Rich whites brought in slaves to work the fields because whites wouldn't. Blacks didn't ask to come here...they were forced. The black experience here has been anything but rosy. They have had to fight and scrap for every Constitutional guarantee white people take for granted. And it is said that at any specific job...the black worker has to be twice as good as his white counterpart.
After reviewing the docu-drama, "Hidden Figures", I tend to accept that. Those black women were 5 times better than the whites working around them...including the boss.

Hmmm. Well maybe it depends on where you live, because over here, blacks are incompetent at their jobs. Many times if I get a black on the phone to assist me with a problem I'm having with a company, I have to call back repeatedly until I get a non-black to solve the problem.

No, blacks did not ask to come here, but few have left after they had the opportunity to go back to their homeland. Unemployment? Who's fault is that?

Last Friday I had to work an hour later because of blacks. The first stop, I had a pallet at the end of the trailer. The dock was difficult to get into, so I asked the receiver to come out and pull take it off the back of the truck. He got ten feet from the truck when a black guy (I'm assuming his supervisor) came running out and said he couldn't take it off the truck, and I had to back into the the dock. No reason given, and I didn't bother to ask because I'm sure his reason would have been just as stupid as his demand.

Then I go to another stop for a pickup. The shipper was busy with another truck, so he told some black kid to load mine. The idiot tried to bring the pallet boxes double stacked to the trailer. What made this idiot think that he could put a 1,400 lbs box on top of another one and drive it into the truck is beyond me. So the top box crushed the bottom box, and they had to take all those bolts from the crushed box, put them into a new box, and that took a half hour.

So I get the delivery to it's destination, and guess what? Another black unloaded me. I've been to this place a dozen times or so, and usually I'm out of there in about fifteen minutes, but not with this guy. He took each of those 15 pallets all the way across the factory to the other end instead of placing the freight by the door and then monkey around with it after I left. That took an additional half-hour.

My coworkers asked me why I got back so late, and I explained happened. Then one asked "was it the white guy who unloaded you or the black guy?" I just gave him a look, and he burst out laughing. He said he had the same experience and it's too bad I didn't get the white guy.

It goes on all the time.

Bullshit little stories, and bitter twisting of every experience goes on all the time when bluntly stupid racists struggle to justify their weak, ignorant, simplistic view of everything.

Yet, while he has anecdotal evidence to back up his views, all you present is some name calling.

With your weakness, you actually make him look more reasonable.


Myself? I've managed a diverse workforce and didn't notice any difference in productivity.


Since you dismiss anecdotal evidence, why don't you look up productivity numbers white vs black? Such studies must be out there.


Presenting hard documentation that blacks are just as productive as whites would make your position a lot stronger than just being rude.