'Instead of Gaza' | How should we name the new city?

Yes, through legal mechanisms. That's how the law works. We both know that land use and ownership in the mandate territories is ridiculously complicated due to inheriting former sovereign legal frameworks for land ownership. Near as I can figure, about 20% of the land in Gaza is under registered private ownership.

There is no "pillaging".
This is a hypothetical thread, not something that is happening. One of the hypotheticals was giving soldiers first choices of land. Land ownership was complicated but it isn’t entirely true that everything was honestly purchased or above board. There were a lot of confiscations as well.
 
This is a hypothetical thread, not something that is happening. One of the hypotheticals was giving soldiers first choices of land. Land ownership was complicated but it isn’t entirely true that everything was honestly purchased or above board. There were a lot of confiscations as well.
Giving soldiers first choice of land would not constitute "pillaging" if that land was legally available for transfer.
 
Obama sounds like he's been snorting too much coke.


Wow, what a traitor.
We are seeing those tensions building and threatening some old and important alliances such as Egypt.
Egypt's not going to be backing up Palestinians very much. They burn their bridges wherever they go.

Why won't Jordan accept them, hmm? Ask yourself that.
 
This is a hypothetical thread, not something that is happening. One of the hypotheticals was giving soldiers first choices of land. Land ownership was complicated but it isn’t entirely true that everything was honestly purchased or above board. There were a lot of confiscations as well.
Yeah, I'd want me a big pile of rubble. :rolleyes-41:
 
Wow, what a traitor.

Egypt's not going to be backing up Palestinians very much. They burn their bridges wherever they go.

Why won't Jordan accept them, hmm? Ask yourself that.
Barack can go on and on....but the truth is a complete stranger to him.

Muslims used Palestinians as a way to deflect the anger of the Muslim Street away from their own governments by focusing on a common enemy.

Obama is causing wars and genocide.

He should be brought up on charges for war crimes, yet he's being applauded because he pontificates the same rubbish that Muslims have been repeating for decades.

Democrats and Muslims are like two peas in a pod.

They are both of the same mind.

You cannot reason with either of them.
 
Wow, what a traitor.

Egypt's not going to be backing up Palestinians very much. They burn their bridges wherever they go.

Why won't Jordan accept them, hmm? Ask yourself that.
Yes, sadly…..Some Democrats are trying to draw a moral equivalency between Muslim monsters who sought out every innocent Jewish man, woman, teenager, child, and baby to torture to death in the most agonizing ways possible and Jews who are trying to limit civilian deaths - knowing that most of these civilians supported the massacre.
 
Giving soldiers first choice of land would not constitute "pillaging" if that land was legally available for transfer.
That is not impression I have gotten from the posts in this thread.
 
The abductee's cousin, Shiri Bibas demands -

'Every day that the captives do not return home,
we will take a kilometer and another kilometer from Gaza.

Until they return - they will not have Gaza'.


IDF Reservists in response to the hostage video release
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'Exact a territorial price now'




 
IDF Reservists in response to the hostage video release
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'Exact a territorial price now'





Israel Cancels Disengagement Law for Northern Samaria


Israeli lawmakers in the Knesset plenum voted Wednesday to approve cancelation of the Disengagement Law in northern Samaria. The residents of four Israeli towns in the region were expelled from their homes during the 2005 Disengagement from Gaza, along with those living in the Gush Katif region.

 
Hamas Mahmoud Al-Zahr "Palestine is like a toothpick for us"

 

Israel Cancels Disengagement Law for Northern Samaria


Israeli lawmakers in the Knesset plenum voted Wednesday to approve cancelation of the Disengagement Law in northern Samaria. The residents of four Israeli towns in the region were expelled from their homes during the 2005 Disengagement from Gaza, along with those living in the Gush Katif region.


58% of the public is in favor of taking over Rafah
Overwhelming majority demands a proactive war in the Northern front

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For over five months the IDF has been fighting in almost all parts of the Gaza Strip - and the public in Israel wants a decision • 58% want to see the annexation of Rafah despite the opposition of the USA • In the northern sector: the public demands a proactive war against Hezbollah

Channel 14
 

Israeli lawmakers launch Gaza resettlement caucus

"Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost," said MK Zvi Sukkot.

Israeli lawmakers are set to launch a new parliamentary caucus focused on rebuilding Israeli civilian communities in the Gaza Strip after the Hamas terrorist group is defeated, the Maariv daily reported on Monday.

The “Caucus for the Return to Settlement in the Gaza Strip,” headed by Knesset members Limor Son Har-Melech (Otzma Yehudit Party) and Zvi Sukkot (Religious Zionism), will be officially launched on Tuesday in the presence of lawmakers, government and security officials, as well as representatives of Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria.

“Only settlement will bring security. Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost,” Sukkot told Maariv, using the name of the Hamas unit that led the Oct. 7 murder of 1,200 people in the northwestern Negev.

According to Sukkot, who also heads the Knesset Subcommittee for Judea and Samaria, the re-establishment of towns uprooted in 2005 will help advance the release of the hostages held by Hamas.

“We have to act against Hamas on two levels—militarily and civilian,” he said. “On the military level, we are already operating, especially since Oct. 7. We now need to act on the civilian level and make them lose land.

“When they realize they are losing control of Gaza and losing the land of Gaza, they will be ready to release hostages without making demands that threaten the existence of the State of Israel,” he added.


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Israeli lawmakers launch Gaza resettlement caucus

"Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost," said MK Zvi Sukkot.

Israeli lawmakers are set to launch a new parliamentary caucus focused on rebuilding Israeli civilian communities in the Gaza Strip after the Hamas terrorist group is defeated, the Maariv daily reported on Monday.

The “Caucus for the Return to Settlement in the Gaza Strip,” headed by Knesset members Limor Son Har-Melech (Otzma Yehudit Party) and Zvi Sukkot (Religious Zionism), will be officially launched on Tuesday in the presence of lawmakers, government and security officials, as well as representatives of Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria.

“Only settlement will bring security. Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost,” Sukkot told Maariv, using the name of the Hamas unit that led the Oct. 7 murder of 1,200 people in the northwestern Negev.

According to Sukkot, who also heads the Knesset Subcommittee for Judea and Samaria, the re-establishment of towns uprooted in 2005 will help advance the release of the hostages held by Hamas.

“We have to act against Hamas on two levels—militarily and civilian,” he said. “On the military level, we are already operating, especially since Oct. 7. We now need to act on the civilian level and make them lose land.

“When they realize they are losing control of Gaza and losing the land of Gaza, they will be ready to release hostages without making demands that threaten the existence of the State of Israel,” he added.


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I won’t live long enough to see the new Israeli city fully developed, but it should be well on its way toward completion in 10 years. I plan to go, stay in a seaside resort hotel for a few days, go to Shabbos services in one of the many shuls that will be there, and then relocate to a hotel in Jerusalem for a week to tour and explore.

After seeing what happened on October 7th, and knowing that the majority of GEs (that’s my name for the Gazan Egyptians) fully supported the barbaric massacre of Jews, there is no way they can be allowed in close proximity.

Perhaps when Trump is president, he can say that all foreign aid to Egypt will be halted unless they relocate the GEs into their country.
 
Perhaps when Trump is president, he can say that all foreign aid to Egypt will be halted unless they relocate the GEs into their country
One thing is 100% certain. The "GEs" will NEVER live in peace next to Israel. We have a practice of thousands of years of relocating or wiping out an entire people who went to war against you with the sole aim of wiping out everyone. They went up against Israel and they lost -- bigly!

They need to be removed. A carrot and stick approach is needed. They are EGYPTIANS. They lost the right to live next to Israel. They need to be resettled or die
 

Israeli lawmakers launch Gaza resettlement caucus

"Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost," said MK Zvi Sukkot.

Israeli lawmakers are set to launch a new parliamentary caucus focused on rebuilding Israeli civilian communities in the Gaza Strip after the Hamas terrorist group is defeated, the Maariv daily reported on Monday.

The “Caucus for the Return to Settlement in the Gaza Strip,” headed by Knesset members Limor Son Har-Melech (Otzma Yehudit Party) and Zvi Sukkot (Religious Zionism), will be officially launched on Tuesday in the presence of lawmakers, government and security officials, as well as representatives of Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria.

“Only settlement will bring security. Only when Jewish children are playing in the Strip will the Nukhba terrorists realize that they have lost,” Sukkot told Maariv, using the name of the Hamas unit that led the Oct. 7 murder of 1,200 people in the northwestern Negev.

According to Sukkot, who also heads the Knesset Subcommittee for Judea and Samaria, the re-establishment of towns uprooted in 2005 will help advance the release of the hostages held by Hamas.

“We have to act against Hamas on two levels—militarily and civilian,” he said. “On the military level, we are already operating, especially since Oct. 7. We now need to act on the civilian level and make them lose land.

“When they realize they are losing control of Gaza and losing the land of Gaza, they will be ready to release hostages without making demands that threaten the existence of the State of Israel,” he added.


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I'm not convinced that this will bring the hostages home, but more and more, I agree that the only way forward to peace is children playing and growing up side by side. The way to beat Hamas is a civilian presence, not a military one.
 
I won’t live long enough to see the new Israeli city fully developed, but it should be well on its way toward completion in 10 years. I plan to go, stay in a seaside resort hotel for a few days, go to Shabbos services in one of the many shuls that will be there, and then relocate to a hotel in Jerusalem for a week to tour and explore.

After seeing what happened on October 7th, and knowing that the majority of GEs (that’s my name for the Gazan Egyptians) fully supported the barbaric massacre of Jews, there is no way they can be allowed in close proximity.

Perhaps when Trump is president, he can say that all foreign aid to Egypt will be halted unless they relocate the GEs into their country.

May HaShem give You long and healthy years to experience that.

That is a beautiful vision, and we have to speak up.
Despite political pressure and perceived optics,
this is the majority consensus.

Although the political timing is a tactical consideration,
the discussion in Israel is deeply returning back to the
lexicon and heritage of Ben-Gurion doctrine, where
things were done out of necessity rather than
political consequences, with results opposite
to the conception that brought us to Oct 7,
politically and on the ground.

Major part of that doctrine relies on pioneer work,
and the realization that eventually the only thing
that matters is what - we Jews do, and part of
that now is leveraging the media to create
conditions for our leaders that may seem
out of reach, but apparent to all.

There a wave of young Israeli intellectuals
getting a lot of attention since the war
have you heard of Eliyahu Yossian?


 
I'm not convinced that this will bring the hostages home, but more and more, I agree that the only way forward to peace is children playing and growing up side by side. The way to beat Hamas is a civilian presence, not a military one.

How about encouraging immigration?

In practice what brings hostages home,
are precision operations under pressure,
and a professional refugee to betray Hamas,
for a greased bank account and a new identity abroad.
 

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