Is Braggs stretching it with a felony?

[WorldWatcher]

So we are back to falsifying records, which is a misdemeanor. Expired.

Trump wasn't charged with 175.05 (misdemeanor), he was charged with 175.10 (felony) falsification of records. SOL not expired.

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[Faun]

Hitlery had to pay a fine for her illegal “opposition research”.

LOL

She had to pay $8000 because she reported that research as "legal services," not because the research was illegal.

Trump also reported Cohen’s crime as "legal services." Rightards cry, "no foul."

 

[Lisa558]

It's only a misdemeanor if there was no other crime committed in concert with it. And to meet that requirement, .All that matters is that another crime was committed. He doesn't need to be convicted of that crime, And it doesn't matter whether or not the statute of limitations has expired on that crime. If they can prove the crime was committed, Regardless of when it happened Or whether or not he was convicted, Then They can raise the misdemeanor charges to felony charges.
The mere existence of a second crime Connected to the falsifying of business records makes the falsifying of business records a felony.

But they are not allowed to try to prove the ”other crime” was committed. That is federal, and it was already decided not to prosecute.

This is that nasty DA’s backdoor approach to trying to “get” Trump by going after a crime that is 1) not his jurisdiction, and 2) had already been decided there’s no crime there to prosecute by the FEC.

And you libs are in favor of this cooked-up witch-hunt while turning your eyes away from the very obvious weaponization of government agencies to jail political opponents.

 

[Marener]

The FEC already voted on Trump's hush money payment. That's where the 2,2,2 vote came from. There was a quorum at that time for that vote.

The FEC commissioners who voted against pursuing it didn’t say that it was legal. They said that they were too busy to pursue it.

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7313/7313_27.pdf

The whole thing smacks of corruption.

 

[kyzr]

Campaign finance laws were broken, Cohen was convicted of it. Felony conviction >>>>>>> GOP FEC commissioner personal opinion.
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Cohen is not Trump, duh. Bragg's indictment is a joke.

Plan B From Outer Manhattan: Why the Court Should Move the Trump Trial Out of Manhattan

Below is my column in the Hill on why I believe the Trump prosecution would warrant an admittedly rare venue change. I am still hoping that Judge Juan Merchan has the integrity to dismiss this clea…

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[WorldWatcher]

Denying it was campaign money is simply absurd. Cohen was convicted of a related charge because it was campaign money.

Careful. Technically the money wasn't "campaign money" as it didn't come from Campaign Committee accounts. The money Cohen used came from a Home Equity Loan which he moved to the shell company to pay Daniels. The Trump Organization (as a business entity) then repaid Cohen from business account.

The correct term is "campaign finance volition" because Cohens expenditures to support the campaign were illegal "in kind contributions", not money the Campaign (as a legal entity) received or paid.

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[Lisa558]

Trump wasn't charged with 175.05 (misdemeanor), he was charged with 175.10 (felony) falsification of records. SOL not expired.

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Yeah, we know what the phony charge is.

 

[kyzr]

The FEC commissioners who voted against pursuing it didn’t say that it was legal. They said that they were too busy to pursue it.
The whole thing smacks of corruption.

That link is for Cohen not Trump.
The case against Trump must have been pretty weak if they said "the grapes are probably sour anyway".

 

[Leviticus]

I think people are actually confused On the number of felonies he's being accused of.

This is something prosecutors sometimes do when they want to really go after someone. What they did was the charged him with a different felony for every single document that he signed that was illegal. Every check he signed, Every document he signed claiming the payment was a business expense. Technically they can charge him with thirty four felonies. But really A bunch of them are actually the same crime, But the prosecutors are treating every illegal act in that crime as a separate crime.

It's like if you have a mugger who punches a guy three times, And instead of just charging him with one count of assault., The prosecutor charged him with 3 felony Assault charges for every punch.

 

[WorldWatcher]

But they are not allowed to try to prove the ”other crime” was committed. That is federal, and it was already decided not to prosecute.

The "other crime" doesn't have to be proved since it was already charge in federal court and a conviction occurred. The "other crime" was Cohens.

Yes, Ma'am, the DOJ did pursue a federal crime. Cohen was convicted of it.

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[Faun]

So we are back to falsifying records, which is a misdemeanor. Expired.

It becomes a felony if the intent for falsifying records is to either commit a crime or aid or cover up a crime.

 

[Faun]

What felony was Trump charged with? It was not specified. The Bragg indictment is total bullshit.

Plan B From Outer Manhattan: Why the Court Should Move the Trump Trial Out of Manhattan

Below is my column in the Hill on why I believe the Trump prosecution would warrant an admittedly rare venue change. I am still hoping that Judge Juan Merchan has the integrity to dismiss this clea…

jonathanturley.org

NY § 175.10

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.​

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yeah, we know what the phony charge is.

It's not phony. The charges are on record and Trump was indicted.

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[Leviticus]

But they are not allowed to try to prove the ”other crime” was committed. That is federal, and it was already decided not to prosecute.

This is that nasty DA’s backdoor approach to trying to “get” Trump by going after a crime that is 1) not his jurisdiction, and 2) had already been decided there’s no crime there to prosecute by the FEC.

And you libs are in favor of this cooked-up witch-hunt while turning your eyes away from the very obvious weaponization of government agencies to jail political opponents.

Actually States are allowed to enforce their own laws on federal.elections in some cases.

I think they're also banking on there being some documents Pointing to trump trying to take the legal business expenses off of his taxes. There are plenty of things they could find theoretically that would constitute a second crime.

 

[Leviticus]

The payments to Cohen were happening as late as 2018 and 2019, Which means so was the false vacation of business records. Which means that those are not past the statue of limitations.

 

[kyzr]

Careful. Technically the money wasn't "campaign money" as it didn't come from Campaign Committee accounts. The money Cohen used came from a Home Equity Loan which he moved to the shell company to pay Daniels. The Trump Organization (as a business entity) then repaid Cohen from business account.
The correct term is "campaign finance volition" because Cohens expenditures to support the campaign were illegal "in kind contributions", not money the Campaign (as a legal entity) received or paid.
WW

WRONG. Cohen's expenditures did NOT support the Trump campaign, as I explained previously.
A new suit to look good, NO
Teeth whitening to look good, NO
Hush money payments, NO

TV ads, yes
Newspaper ads, yes
Campaign workers, yes
Campaign flyers, yes

 

[WorldWatcher]

WRONG. Cohen's expenditures did NOT support the Trump campaign, as I explained previously.
A new suit to look good, NO
Teeth whitening to look good, NO
Hush money payments, NO

TV ads, yes
Newspaper ads, yes
Campaign workers, yes
Campaign flyers, yes

Taking out a loan to pay a Porn Star to save your bosses campaign = YES

We know this because Cohen was convicted of just that in federal court.

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[kyzr]

NY § 175.10​

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A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.​

Yep. Specify that "other crime". We're waiting...

 

[Marener]

That link is for Cohen not Trump.
The case against Trump must have been pretty weak if they said "the grapes are probably sour anyway".

It’s the same matter. The career FEC attorneys recommended the commissioners find that Trump participated in the illegal scheme based on the law.

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7313/7313_19.pdf

Trump’s political appointees rejected it for the reasons stated above. They claimed they were too busy and that prosecuting Cohen was good enough.

It’s only now that Trump’s political appointees are again coming to his defense with retconned rationale.

 

[kyzr]

Taking out a loan to pay a Porn Star to save your bosses campaign = YES
We know this because Cohen was convicted of just that in federal court.
WW

LOL!! Hush money payments are NOT a campaign expense, so says the FEC. Cohen is not Trump. That dog won't hunt.