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Lincoln was not rabidly :anti slavery"
You know that. Try to produce a link that says otherwise.
My not being "grateful" for white people fighting a war to force white people to ejote the to remain a part
You CAN'T tell me how to behave nor do I give a fuck what you think.
It sounds like you actually believe that my so called "behavior" is for you to judge.
As I often some of the other assholes here, if you don't like what I have to say, use your ignore button, because what you think is insignificant to me.
That's why you get your ass handed to you so often and get your feelings hurt, because you present yourself as some kind of moral authority on what is right or wrong.
This country at that time was a hostile and hateful land that black people ended up in because of an oppresive institution that never should have existed.
No one fought to FREE the blsck population and you know it.
The war wsd fought to preserve a union created for white people, by white people.
Blacks were the equivalent of farm animals by law.
No debt of gratitude is owed nor will any be acknowledged as even sensible.
You have no point that is even .worth discussing.
And Lincoln was in no way a "A rabid anti slaver"
If you can produce even one shred of evidence that validates that he was, then I will acknowledge that you are correct.
Get to work.
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THe majority of people voted for that guy.
The South feared that he would end slavery and rebelled. Funny how they turned out to be right that.
Oh, and yes, I am judging your behavior. People judge other people's behavior all the time.
It is part of the human condition.
Judge as you wish. I have stated re
Lincoln was not rabidly :anti slavery"
You know that. Try to produce a link that says otherwise.
My not being "grateful" for white people fighting a war to force white people to ejote the to remain a part
You CAN'T tell me how to behave nor do I give a fuck what you think.
It sounds like you actually believe that my so called "behavior" is for you to judge.
As I often some of the other assholes here, if you don't like what I have to say, use your ignore button, because what you think is insignificant to me.
That's why you get your ass handed to you so often and get your feelings hurt, because you present yourself as some kind of moral authority on what is right or wrong.
This country at that time was a hostile and hateful land that black people ended up in because of an oppresive institution that never should have existed.
No one fought to FREE the blsck population and you know it.
The war wsd fought to preserve a union created for white people, by white people.
Blacks were the equivalent of farm animals by law.
No debt of gratitude is owed nor will any be acknowledged as even sensible.
You have no point that is even .worth discussing.
And Lincoln was in no way a "A rabid anti slaver"
If you can produce even one shred of evidence that validates that he was, then I will acknowledge that you are correct.
Get to work.
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THe majority of people voted for that guy.
The South feared that he would end slavery and rebelled. Funny how they turned out to be right that.
Oh, and yes, I am judging your behavior. People judge other people's behavior all the time.
It is part of the human condition.
Let's redirect your thinking:
"It is part of the CONDITION" of one who dwells in a glass house house, and is foolish enough to believe that the opinion of a complete stranger has any value"
Secondly:
"Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery, at all.
"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861."
"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year."
The words of a rabid anti slaver? Or those of a fence sitter?
The capitalist business model of America has always taken precedence.
People like you are the kind who ruin the curriculum of teaching the real truth in public schools, by being given a voice.
1. Yes, moral, ethical judgements on the behaviors of others is a part of the human condition.
2. Soo, we have a politician with conflicting statements. That happens a lot. How to tell which are true and which are false?
It is telling that I have to explain this to you.
A rational person would look at the politicians ACTIONS to judge which of his words are true.
Lincoln DID abolish slavery.
THis reveals his anti-slavery words to be true and his statements to the contrary to be "political", ie false.
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Slavery was abolished because
the country was moving towards industrialization, and could not do so being divided. It was business.
Sure it could. Indeed, industrialization was very slow in the South even after the Civil War, didn't slow down the North at all.
A poster with a quote does not prove anything.
Just as valid as your Lincoln quote, indeed, far more valid because it matches with his actual ACTIONS.
There was too much at stake economically to NOT abolish slavery.
The conflict on trade policy was part of the divide.
Had slavery been allowed to expand to the north, it would have had a detrimental impact on a WHITE workforce.
Expanding slavery to the North was not on the table.
It is INDEED telling that you are actually an adult who cannot comprehend the difference between the romanticizing of a historical figure and the truth.
The Republican Party was founded to fight slavery. Lincoln was their anti-slavery choice. Lincoln had a long history of being against slavery.
He did indeed end it.
That you can find some quotes of him saying otherwise, while trying to avoid the Civil War, does not change that.
That is the Truth, not a "romanticizing".
Understanding "why" the civil war was fought it not avoiding it.
My refusal to accept your inaccurate interpretation of history as a means for you to glorify those who fought in a war to save a country that collectively viewed those enslaved as less than human is what it is.
Your "version" of the truth is to misrepresent the abolishment of slavery as a humanitarian act, in order support your belief that there is some debt of gratitude owed for the president at the time preserving the union. and as a consequence the slaves being freed.
Genuiune anti slavers and abolisionists were not for the "gradual end" of slavery. Their ideology was for an IMMEDIATE end.
The truth is that the emancipation proclamation did not end slavery.
The 13th amendment did, at a later date.
Lincoln had a "long history" of QUIETLY being against slavery and just as long a history of belief that blacks wete fundamentally inferior to whites.